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Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shiithead] 3
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If those stats about the increase of gun violence since guns were banned is true then I might actually reconsider my position on gun control. As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: HardTrippin] 2
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HardTrippin said: As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.
I've often thought that as well.
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Culture has always been fucked.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shiithead]
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Heh, indeed.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: HardTrippin] 1
#22497210 - 11/08/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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HardTrippin said: If those stats about the increase of gun violence since guns were banned is true then I might actually reconsider my position on gun control. As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.
they're somewhat true, home invasion as Linda Thompson (a conspiracy nutter) stated, was relatively new and anything oover the first few would certainly reflect an increase in rates, the simple fact is, australia never had a huge problem with gun related crime and the gun ban did reduce it somewhat over the last 19 years but when this video was done the gun crime rates did in fact increase and since the bun buy back violent crimes and murders have increased, this gun ban didnt stop gun crimes and it didnt stop mass killings, it simply changed the tools used
culture plays a large role in these gun crimes but it's not a 'gun culture', it's a thug culture, the US has a society that perpetuates it, we have music that glamorizes being in gangs and killing people, we have movies that portray it as glamorous, the largest factor though is parenting, when daddy is a thug a kid wants to be like him, when the kids see mom out chicken heading and creating drama they begin to perpetuate the cycle because they see it as acceptable behavior, you cant tell a kid 'dont do this' when they see you doing just that
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Le_Canard]
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HardTrippin said: As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.
I've often thought that as well.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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HardTrippin said: If those stats about the increase of gun violence since guns were banned is true then I might actually reconsider my position on gun control. As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.
they're somewhat true, home invasion as Linda Thompson (a conspiracy nutter) stated, was relatively new and anything oover the first few would certainly reflect an increase in rates, the simple fact is, australia never had a huge problem with gun related crime and the gun ban did reduce it somewhat over the last 19 years but when this video was done the gun crime rates did in fact increase and since the bun buy back violent crimes and murders have increased, this gun ban didnt stop gun crimes and it didnt stop mass killings, it simply changed the tools used
culture plays a large role in these gun crimes but it's not a 'gun culture', it's a thug culture, the US has a society that perpetuates it, we have music that glamorizes being in gangs and killing people, we have movies that portray it as glamorous, the largest factor though is parenting, when daddy is a thug a kid wants to be like him, when the kids see mom out chicken heading and creating drama they begin to perpetuate the cycle because they see it as acceptable behavior, you cant tell a kid 'dont do this' when they see you doing just that
Wrong Wrong Wrong. http://theconversation.com/faking-waves-how-the-nra-and-pro-gun-americans-abuse-australian-crime-stats-11678 Any references for me to laugh at?
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
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wrong, wrong, wrong?
how about providing some discussion with your claim
straight from the australians...
http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html
http://www.news.com.au/national/is-australia-staring-down-the-barrel-of-a-gun-crisis/story-fncynjr2-1226690018325
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* There have been 39 people shot in Sydney this year, most related to an ongoing bikie war.
* Conservative estimates say there are more than a quarter-of-a-million illegal firearms in Australia.
* Gun ownership in Australia is back at pre-Port Arthur massacre levels.
* Carrying a gun is becoming more common and ingrained in outlaw culture.
* Gun amnesties barely put a dent in the number of weapons.
* Innocent people are being caught up in gun battles.
* There has been a steady increase in gun-related crimes over the past seven years.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22497494 - 11/08/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good. Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you. And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
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pineninja said: Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good. Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you. And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.
it also backs my assertion that immediately after the ban the homicide rates increased
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
#22497511 - 11/08/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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IMO You don't want to head into this argument with a handful of stats/nails in your coffin . Stick to your ideologies they're harder to disprove.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
#22497515 - 11/08/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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pineninja said: IMO You don't want to head into this argument with a handful of stats/nails in your coffin . Stick to your ideologies they're harder to disprove.
did homicides and home invasions increase in the years immediately after the gun ban?
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22497586 - 11/08/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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it also backs my assertion that immediately after the ban the homicide rates increased
Cherry picking much......I'll give you one last chance to read it properly(from your source strangely enough). "Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population." "The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968." "The number of murder victims fluctuated slightly from 1993 to 2007, whereas manslaughter remained relatively stable." Ready Aim Liar.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
#22497590 - 11/08/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So by your rational if it rains in the middle of summer it ain't summer anymore?
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22497620 - 11/08/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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did homicides and home invasions increase in the years immediately after the gun ban?
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pineninja said: IMO You don't want to head into this argument with a handful of stats/nails in your coffin . Stick to your ideologies they're harder to disprove.
did homicides and home invasions increase in the years immediately after the gun ban?
Damn it your right must have been cause we took away easy access to guns = Delusional.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
#22497646 - 11/08/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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here's a good video on gun control, explains where you should have your guns 2:20
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
#22497694 - 11/08/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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pineninja said: Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good. Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you. And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.
it also backs my assertion that immediately after the ban the homicide rates increased
Cherry picking much......I'll give you one last chance to read it properly(from your source strangely enough). "Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population." "The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968." "The number of murder victims fluctuated slightly from 1993 to 2007, whereas manslaughter remained relatively stable." Ready Aim Liar.
my statements were pretty specific and here you are trying to make some other claims
did homicides increase in the initial years after the gun ban?
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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pineninja said: Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good. Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you. And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.
it also backs my assertion that immediately after the ban the homicide rates increased
Cherry picking much......I'll give you one last chance to read it properly(from your source strangely enough). "Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population." "The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968." "The number of murder victims fluctuated slightly from 1993 to 2007, whereas manslaughter remained relatively stable." Ready Aim Liar.
my statements were pretty specific and here you are trying to make some other claims
did homicides increase in the initial years after the gun ban?
LOL those "claims" are copied straight from the literature that you provided. Yes they did see above....... have they dropped on average from inception to now??
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
#22497732 - 11/08/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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did the homicide rate increase in the years after the gun ban?
it's an easy question to answer, I'm not asking about gun crimes, gun related suicides or any of that, I asked a simple, straight forward question
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22497757 - 11/08/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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another day on the Gunner-- i mean the Shroomery.
will guns be banned today! tomorrow! who knows! lets discuss it again!
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22497766 - 11/08/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: another day on the Gunner-- i mean the Shroomery.
will guns be banned today! tomorrow! who knows! lets discuss it again!
not in the US
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22497768 - 11/08/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh yeah, Shithead is like totally Canuck, just trying to cause dissent.
whoa, wait a minute here....
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22497772 - 11/08/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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only chance guns get banned in the US is if alex jones turns out to not be crazy and they open up those fema camps
so either way your fucked because if they do take the guns its only to enslave your ass even further
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#22497784 - 11/08/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, totally dude, it's completely horrifying, watch me take on the powers that be, i won't be taken in by the debil!
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: akira_akuma]
#22497825 - 11/08/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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And I have now not only answered it twice, but given quite an eloquent analogy as to why its not pertinent.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
#22497864 - 11/08/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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pineninja said: And I have now not only answered it twice, but given quite an eloquent analogy as to why its not pertinent.
no, you didnt answer the question unless it was when you said this
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22497620#22497620
all you did was post some crap that gave a general overview
but your answer it is pertinent because it relates to my statements
now let me ask, have assaults increased in australia since the gun ban?
how about rape, has rape increased in australia?
didnt armed robbery also see an increase for several years? something that seems to be once again on an upward trend
have there been ANY mass killings in australia since the gun ban?
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22497913 - 11/08/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have figured out the big difference between your argument and mine, that is I know what the answers to most of those questions are I am convinced you do not. I also figure that if I were to give you the factual answers to these question, you will come up with some crazy nonsensical shit, and all that after if the above is a guide, not reading my post anyway which frankly would just be a waste of my time...... so ill make this one short and simple yes immediately after the ban they rose. Now riddle me this! has on average both homicide and gun crime decreased post ban?
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
#22497997 - 11/08/15 09:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know the answers, this isnt the first time this debate has occured and the data is pulled right from your crime statistics, are you going to tell me that you're right and the australia crime statistics are wrong? maybe you'll tell us that many events didnt happen regardless of what the news claims
I suspect you arent answering because you looked and you know exactly what the answers are and why I asked these questions
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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humans will fights amongst themselves as resources wear out. beg nestle for that water ho
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: eehoo]
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This subject for me has not only come up in a fascinating website community, but also as an intrinsic part of my life and an issue that has moulded some of my Higher education choices. The reasons I don't feel an urgency to remedy your ignorance belies my need to help people like you understand that STATISTICS, when looked at without the shutters of preconceived ideologies, DO NOT LIE and absolutely do nothing for the arguments that you are trying to espouse.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
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Ill take Australia's murder rate which is 1/4 of the US rate.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: koods]
#22499294 - 11/09/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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move to australia then you can have everything you want
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I'll keep my guns instead.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shiithead]
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Most gun control people aren't talking about making guns illegal. Most of us are advocating for more strict and comprehensive background checks and registration so that there is more accountability. If you are mentally sound and not engaged in shady activity, I think you should be allowed to have whatever firearm you want.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
#22499402 - 11/09/15 08:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Most gun control people aren't talking about making guns illegal. Most of us are advocating for more strict and comprehensive background checks and registration so that there is more accountability. If you are mentally sound and not engaged in shady activity, I think you should be allowed to have whatever firearm you want.
In Canada atleast it already takes an untimely democratic practice to get ahold of guns legally. It takes so frickin' long. Frankly violence is in the culture. Personally it's very easy for me to follow gun laws, studies and stats by subscribing to the Ontario Hunters and Anglers magazine. I have been reading it for over 5 years, and have read older editions pooping at neighbours houses. They have a fairly unbiased opinion, and leave you with the stats and for you to make up your own mind. Stricter gun laws have done exactly NOTHING for Canada except for increase taxes, and I think even worse, yes even worse than taxes, make it harder for honest Canadians to own and enjoy the practices they do with their guns.
Honest gun owners seldomly commit crimes. Its just too difficult already. Take away guns from the picture and then you have bombs, and cars and a many of ways to example violence. People are fuckin' violent in this country and im from Canada, where were easy breezin' people. The people will find a way to blow something up. You just have to deal with it. Guns are also here to stay. You can't move backwards in time. Its done, they've been invented. They will be in somebodies hands. Who's? Hopefully honest gun owners hands, but as long as they exist, I don't see guns going extinct anytime soon, honest people need to lay hold of them. Its the natural ying to the yang.
Seriously. The root of the issue is WHAT makes people violent, not what form the violence is. And yes I know you want to depreciate the problem and the violence while it exists, banning guns and making the regulations tougher than they already are, in Canada atleast, doesn't work to accomplish it. It simply doesn't work. Look up the Long Gun Regestry act in Canada if you want a LOL, and see how long of a blazing fire that abomination lasted. Seriously check it out. The smokes still smolderin' from that one and people still can't remember the stink.
Sorry Australia for being the patsy in this experiment. I see the sediment in you reactions, it really was an unfortunate big loss to your already effective gun laws. I hope Canada holds it as an example.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
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bullshit. if you're not about making guns illegal then will you be willing to fight to help New York City residents to have hand guns and concealed carry.
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Most of us are advocating for more strict and comprehensive background checks and registration so that there is more accountability.
accountability for whom, it would seem that most gun control people do not witsh to blame the criminals for killing but instead want to blame the gun, the gun did nothing, the criminal did, why not hold the criminal accountable for his actions as opposed to holding all gun owners accountable which is what these so called "common sense gun laws" actually do
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If you are mentally sound and not engaged in shady activity, I think you should be allowed to have whatever firearm you want.
so I should be able to have one of these

why do gun control advocates always use the same disproved claims about gunshow loop holes and lack of background checks, have you ever bought a gun at a gun store or a gun show? I have. the only time I dont fill out ATF background check forms is when my concealed carry permits is up to date, even if you pawn a gun that you own and return to get the gun a month later you still fill out those forms in order to reclaim your guns
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Predictable overreaction response is predictable.
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so what is it you're saying, that I shouldnt be able to own any gun that I want or that you dont want people to own guns. these were simple questions addressing the points you made
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I think that you probably should be allowed to own any gun you want based on what I know about you. I think crazy fuckers shouldn't be allowed to, and I think every gun needs to be registered to the owner so that fewer guns end up in the hands of criminals. It's not that complicated. Not much different from how it is now, I just think we need to up the ante a bit for greater accountability.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
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nicechrisman said: I think that you probably should be allowed to own any gun you want based on what I know about you. I think crazy fuckers shouldn't be allowed to, and I think every gun needs to be registered to the owner so that fewer guns end up in the hands of criminals. It's not that complicated. Not much different from how it is now, I just think we need to up the ante a bit for greater accountability.
Whats funny is theres plenty of different sophisticated countries with very different gun laws. Having lots of different particular ordinances. Its a huge spectrum and yet there are always advocates who want a specific demanding change here and there they think will "fix" the "problem". There's simply just not much you can do on with the gun agenda. After you have backround checks and a time limit wait, its on the peoples hands. Fix the root of it all, thats all you can do.
Country after country show it.
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Edit: Common! if the aussies didn't get it right when they took all the guns to the grinder then WHAT!!!! Haha
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There is also a spectrum of how common gun violence is in different countries. I would guess there is some correlation between the two.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
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crazy fuckers arent allowed to own guns, there's actually a law against it, the problem is the liberal mindset of authority ruining people's lives, "no, dont have my nutter son committed because it will ruin his life", "the cops ruined his life because they arrested him for shooting 16 people when he flipped out and stole a gun and shot up a school"
you mentioned accountability, why arent we holding the parents of these mentally ill shooters accountable for their inaction when it came too having their kids institutionalized when it would have barred these mentally ill peoole from owning guns and prevented a mass shooting, it seems a background check would have helped saved lives had the parents institutionalized the kids. those parents are the responsible parties because they either didnt do something about it or they are the root cause because they payed so little attention to their kid that they didnt notice he was torturing puppies
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I think every gun needs to be registered to the owner so that fewer guns end up in the hands of criminals. It's not that complicated.
tell us how registration stops a criminal from getting a gun, if a legal gun owner registers his gun, a criminal steals the gun and it's reported stolen, what happens? do they go after the gun owner? doo they go after him if the gun is used in a crime? exactly what does the police having a serial number attached to a gun do to prevent or stop criminal activity?
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once more, who is being held accountable and for what
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You know why it is in America. And its not legal ownership.
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so what is it you're saying, that I shouldnt be able to own any gun that I want or that you dont want people to own guns. these were simple questions addressing the points you made
No, don't be over-dramatic pris. Obviously I shouldn't be allowed to own a Black-hawk helicopter because the military is allowed to.
Comprehensible background checks, gun-insurance, internet database of gun-owners and the purchase and sale, transactions of gun ownership. ETC.
Just because of a few flaws in the system doesn't equate to a justification of an entire ban on fire-arms.
I don't care what anyone says, our founding fathers established this country with fire-arms and wanted to make sure in the future we would have access to them.
WAIT, before you attack my previous statement read the following.
I am aware that times we're different back then, and America had no standing army, rather a loosely organized collection of militias; however that does not mean that they wanted to discourage the fight against tyranny. America was founded on that ideal.
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nicechrisman said: There is also a spectrum of how common gun violence is in different countries. I would guess there is some correlation between the two.
You know why it is in America,and its not legal ownership.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm obviously not going to sway your opinion on this issue pris. I knew that before I even posted. We could argue this until the end of days but it probably won't get either of us anywhere. My key point is that when most people talk about gun control, we are not talking about taking guns away from responsible, sane citizens.
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tell us how registration stops a criminal from getting a gun, if a legal gun owner registers his gun, a criminal steals the gun and it's reported stolen, what happens? do they go after the gun owner? doo they go after him if the gun is used in a crime? exactly what does the police having a serial number attached to a gun do to prevent or stop criminal activity?
Solution? Gun Insurance. Attach a monetary value to a fire-arm and the damage it potentially could cause, and any damage it does in fact cause. Only thing Americans love more than guns is money, so with a potentially hundred thousand bill attached to a simple handgun in the event it is used in a school shooting or other such atrocity would encourage people to practice safer handling of their weapons.
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nicechrisman said: I'm obviously not going to sway your opinion on this issue pris. I knew that before I even posted. We could argue this until the end of days but it probably won't get either of us anywhere. My key point is that when most people talk about gun control, we are not talking about taking guns away from responsible, sane citizens.
What do you do other than police gun raids on suspected illegal gun owners or something? Really though. I am trying to pry into you. The laws with precautions are in place. Good ones, they arn't failing, the people are failing, and its proven trying to take them ALL away doesn't work either, their is no solution on this subject right now.
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Solution? Gun Insurance. Attach a monetary value to a fire-arm and the damage it potentially could cause, and any damage it does in fact cause. Only thing Americans love more than guns is money, so with a potentially hundred thousand bill attached to a simple handgun in the event it is used in a school shooting or other such atrocity would encourage people to practice safer handling of their weapons.
Neat idea, but I really do hate the idea of making them cost more money essentially. Taxing a person to death has never helped before, and it really doesn't keep them out of criminals hands, which is the problem. And a person who is desperate with nothing to lose decides to out lash on society, is the one who is dangerous here. Don't make money weigh on anybody more.
We sir are in a conundrum. 
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Where did I say anything about raids?
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Whats funny is theres plenty of different sophisticated countries with very different gun laws. Having lots of different particular ordinances. Its a huge spectrum and yet there are always advocates who want a specific demanding change here and there they think will "fix" the "problem".
here's you a fast history lesson, central american countries have strict gun laws, of course murder is also illegal yet they have extremely high homicide rates but we need to ask why, how is it that there are s many gun related murders and murders in general in that part of the world despite the strict gun laws. Now for the history... it seems that the largest reason for the collapse of the inca, aztek and mayan civilizations was their violent nature, some were warring with each other, some were sacrificing their people to their gods, they had weakened themselves so much that they couldnt repel the spanish invasion. not much has changed, their governments are still corrupt and they're still killing each other
now let's look at genetics, many people claim that pit bulls are genetically violent because they want to blame the dog when it attacks a child, claims that they were bred for the genetic traits of fighting are quite common and yet they dont believe these genetic traits would appear in humans, that in the case of humans it's nurture, not nature that leads some to violence yet when we look at these violent people we find that they grow up in the same sort of violent homes which suggests that one or both parents have a violent nature
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Neat idea, but I really do hate the idea of making them cost more money essentially. Taxing a person to death has never helped before, and it really doesn't keep them out of criminals hands, which is the problem.
I'm not a lawyer or a law-maker so this will sound rather rudimentary but I feel it will get an the idea across.
The idea would not add taxes to the sale of the weapon, but rather an agreement that if your weapon is stolen through neglect(lack of effort to lock it up, trigger-locks, etc) and is used in a crime, you are responsible for a monetary value of some percentage of the damage caused.
Like, if your child steals your gun because it wasn't properly locked up in a safe place, and was found to lack a trigger lock and your child then goes and takes it to school and accidentally shoots someone, YOUR responsible for their actions due to a lack of effort for gun-safety.
It would be similar to reckless endangerment laws.
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nicechrisman said: Where did I say anything about raids?
No no no, I said that, I was adding provocative thinking, on general ideas to what could be done (jeeze I hope that idea never ever happens...)
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: TNK]
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so what is it you're saying, that I shouldnt be able to own any gun that I want or that you dont want people to own guns. these were simple questions addressing the points you made
No, don't be over-dramatic pris. Obviously I shouldn't be allowed to own a Black-hawk helicopter because the military is allowed to.
Comprehensible background checks, gun-insurance, internet database of gun-owners and the purchase and sale, transactions of gun ownership. ETC.
Just because of a few flaws in the system doesn't equate to a justification of an entire ban on fire-arms.
I don't care what anyone says, our founding fathers established this country with fire-arms and wanted to make sure in the future we would have access to them.
WAIT, before you attack my previous statement read the following.
I am aware that times we're different back then, and America had no standing army, rather a loosely organized collection of militias; however that does not mean that they wanted to discourage the fight against tyranny. America was founded on that ideal.
you've not addressed anything I've asked
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You don't think the Spaniards' use of superior weaponry had anything to do with it?
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tell us how registration stops a criminal from getting a gun, if a legal gun owner registers his gun, a criminal steals the gun and it's reported stolen, what happens? do they go after the gun owner? doo they go after him if the gun is used in a crime? exactly what does the police having a serial number attached to a gun do to prevent or stop criminal activity?
Solution? Gun Insurance. Attach a monetary value to a fire-arm and the damage it potentially could cause, and any damage it does in fact cause. Only thing Americans love more than guns is money, so with a potentially hundred thousand bill attached to a simple handgun in the event it is used in a school shooting or other such atrocity would encourage people to practice safer handling of their weapons.
so hold the gun owner responsible for someone stealing his shit and using it in a crime even though he committed no crime himself
I have an idea, why dont we hold the criminal accountable for his crimes instead?
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That's because I am jumping into the middle of the debate, whatever points we're made previously we're not made by me, making it difficult for me to defend a point I may not agree with.
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Right, but the kids not going to be dumb, hes going to figure out a way to get what he wants. Hes desperate, angry and misled, money is only going to confuddle the issue at hand, which is teaching your children good values from the get go.
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I think gun owners should be responsible for safely storing their weapons so they don't fall into the wrong hands.
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tell us how registration stops a criminal from getting a gun, if a legal gun owner registers his gun, a criminal steals the gun and it's reported stolen, what happens? do they go after the gun owner? doo they go after him if the gun is used in a crime? exactly what does the police having a serial number attached to a gun do to prevent or stop criminal activity?
Solution? Gun Insurance. Attach a monetary value to a fire-arm and the damage it potentially could cause, and any damage it does in fact cause. Only thing Americans love more than guns is money, so with a potentially hundred thousand bill attached to a simple handgun in the event it is used in a school shooting or other such atrocity would encourage people to practice safer handling of their weapons.
so hold the gun owner responsible for someone stealing his shit and using it in a crime even though he committed no crime himself
I have an idea, why dont we hold the criminal accountable for his crimes instead?
As I said in a comment after that one was only if the person was found to be responsible of neglect in practicing gun safety. Of course we hold the criminal accountable, don't be asinine.
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Shorty
Trigger locks typically break the trigger mechanic of the fire-arm when forced open. Locking up your weapon and ammunition up in two separate places also would help reduce the availability of the weapon, and obviously if your child is disturbed keeping weapons in the house is rather a reckless idea.
Monetary compensation for the loss of life is about as best encouragement for better gun-control as I can come up with, maybe in the future I will advocate the entirety banning of weapons but at this point in time I am in favor of legal citizens and their RIGHT to own weapons.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
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why was custer defeated at little big horn? custer had superior weaponry
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"I have an idea, why dont we hold the criminal accountable for his crimes instead? " I do like that idea.
The real problem to solve here is how to get rid of unwarranted mental illnesses, anger, poverty and frustration. I know im being far out, but you're simply not going to solve this issue by changing gun laws, only preoccupy people while it still happens.
You guys know there all already stiff precautions... the precautions are actually so extraordinary (atleast in Canada lol), that figuratively only legal gun owners own guns.
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@TheNatureKid, I have totally seen my dad use a disk grider to grind off a triggerlock after he had forgotten the combination a couple times He is getting up there!!
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why was custer defeated at little big horn? custer had superior weaponry
Probably because of very bad tactical errors and being extremely outnumbered.
You speak of all the native americans being weak and fragmented because of warring against each other. This may have been true in many cases, but the Incan Empire was pretty much at it's peak when the Spaniards invaded. They were pretty much the Roman empire of South America.
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shortknight]
#22499645 - 11/09/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: TNK]
#22499649 - 11/09/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: Trigger locks typically break the trigger mechanic of the fire-arm when forced open.
no they dont
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Locking up your weapon and ammunition up in two separate places also would help reduce the availability of the weapon, and obviously if your child is disturbed keeping weapons in the house is rather a reckless idea.
so in a sutuation of self defense a persoon should have to run to one location, open a safe, unlock a trigger and then run to a second location to retrieve ammunition, then load a magazine and then load the gun, cycle the round into the chamber and do all of this while being pursued by an attacker while in a panic situation... why not just make a law that says criminals arent allowed to break into home, rob stores, murder people, etc...
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Monetary compensation for the loss of life is about as best encouragement for better gun-control as I can come up with, maybe in the future I will advocate the entirety banning of weapons but at this point in time I am in favor of legal citizens and their RIGHT to own weapons.
so you still advocate punishing the innocent for the actions of the criminal
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nicechrisman
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22499653 - 11/09/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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He's talking about punishing people for negligence
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Shortknight



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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#22499657 - 11/09/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: He's talking about punishing people for negligence
They do do that. They take ALL your guns away and you can't own any anymore. I tell you thats one of any gun owners biggest fears. And yes I said do do.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
#22499682 - 11/09/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: You don't think the Spaniards' use of superior weaponry had anything to do with it?
why was custer defeated at little big horn? custer had superior weaponry
Probably because of very bad tactical errors and being extremely outnumbered.
dont you think that the spanish were also badly outnumbered?
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You speak of all the native americans being weak and fragmented because of warring against each other. This may have been true in many cases, but the Incan Empire was pretty much at it's peak when the Spaniards invaded. They were pretty much the Roman empire of South America.
I didnt speak of them being weak, I said they were weakened, they all had thriving empires at some point but it wasnt merely the spanish that brought them down
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TNK
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#22499686 - 11/09/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheNatureKid said: Trigger locks typically break the trigger mechanic of the fire-arm when forced open.
no they dont
I apologize if my information is wrong, I am not perfect. I was under the idea that they did, and if they don't I can't imagine it would be all that difficult to create ones that did. Possibly even inventing new weapons with built in locks or conversion methods for existing weapons to achieve the same principle.
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so in a situation of self defense a person should have to run to one location, open a safe, unlock a trigger and then run to a second location to retrieve ammunition, then load a magazine and then load the gun, cycle the round into the chamber and do all of this while being pursued by an attacker while in a panic situation... why not just make a law that says criminals aren't allowed to break into home, rob stores, murder people, etc...
In the event of a home-invasion, I would imagine one would lock their doors, or have other methods of giving one adequate time to prepare for a gun battle. Kick proof doors, reinforced windows. Ideally if your living somewhere where this is a major problem you would exhaust all peaceful methods of deterring an intruder, and if you are wealthy and living somewhere where this isn't a major issue than you would exhaust funding for peaceful deterring methods before immediately loading a gun and shooting someone.
I am in favor of defending your property, if somebody came onto my family's privately owned property with a weapon, I am going to assume they intend to do me bodily harm.
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so you still advocate punishing the innocent for the actions of the criminal
Quit twisting my words, no I advocate insensitive for safer gun ownership.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
#22499692 - 11/09/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: He's talking about punishing people for negligence
no, he's talking about punishing victims of crimes for the criminal's actions
you've still not addressed my questions
who is to be held accountable and for what?
how will registration of firearms prevent criminals from getting firearms?
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22499705 - 11/09/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The vast majority of gun violence is gang related, why don't we deport the people most commonly associated with gangs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
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Shortknight



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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#22499710 - 11/09/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think everyone needs to watch some western movies.
Round em up boys!!! YEEEEEE HA
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shortknight]
#22500723 - 11/09/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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guns are banned in uk but there are plenty of them about on black market/pub car park. £50 for grenades £200 for m16/ak74. so banning guns makes them cheaper. the brits just dont go waving them about in your face all day. they stay buried in the garden until needed. there is also very low gun crime, mostly perpetrated by african and east european immigrants. and chavvy little scrotes who listen to rap too much and get convinced the 8th of shit bush in their pocket makes them a gangster. nah, the gangsters speak in a quiet voice.
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