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OfflineTNK
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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shortknight] * 1
    #22499620 - 11/09/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Right, but the kids not going to be dumb, hes going to figure out a way to get what he wants. Hes desperate, angry and misled, money is only going to confuddle the issue at hand, which is teaching your children good values from the get go.

Shorty:peace:




Trigger locks typically break the trigger mechanic of the fire-arm when forced open.
Locking up your weapon and ammunition up in two separate places also would help reduce the availability of the weapon, and obviously if your child is disturbed keeping weapons in the house is rather a reckless idea.

Monetary compensation for the loss of life is about as best encouragement for better gun-control as I can come up with, maybe in the future I will advocate the entirety banning of weapons but at this point in time I am in favor of legal citizens and their RIGHT to own weapons.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22499625 - 11/09/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You don't think the Spaniards' use of superior weaponry had anything to do with it?




why was custer defeated at little big horn? custer had superior weaponry


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shortknight]
    #22499630 - 11/09/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

"I have an idea, why dont we hold the criminal accountable for his crimes instead? " I do like that idea.:tongue2:

The real problem to solve here is how to get rid of unwarranted mental illnesses, anger, poverty and frustration.:peace: I know im being far out, but you're simply not going to solve this issue by changing gun laws, only preoccupy people while it still happens.:yinyang:

You guys know there all already stiff precautions... the precautions are actually so extraordinary (atleast in Canada lol), that figuratively only legal gun owners own guns.

:sunny:Shorty:sunny:

@TheNatureKid, I have totally seen my dad use a disk grider to grind off a triggerlock after he had forgotten the combination a couple times:tongue2: He is getting up there!!:sunny:


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22499634 - 11/09/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You don't think the Spaniards' use of superior weaponry had anything to do with it?




why was custer defeated at little big horn? custer had superior weaponry



Probably because of very bad tactical errors and being extremely outnumbered.

You speak of all the native americans being weak and fragmented because of warring against each other. This may have been true in many cases, but the Incan Empire was pretty much at it's peak when the Spaniards invaded. They were pretty much the Roman empire of South America.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shortknight]
    #22499645 - 11/09/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

YEEE YEE YEE YEEE YEEE YE :indian:

:sunny:Shorty:sunny:


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: TNK]
    #22499649 - 11/09/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Trigger locks typically break the trigger mechanic of the fire-arm when forced open.




no they dont

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Locking up your weapon and ammunition up in two separate places also would help reduce the availability of the weapon, and obviously if your child is disturbed keeping weapons in the house is rather a reckless idea.




so in a sutuation of self defense a persoon should have to run to one location,
open a safe, unlock a trigger and then run to a second location to retrieve
ammunition, then load a magazine and then load the gun, cycle the round into the
chamber and do all of this while being pursued by an attacker while in a panic
situation... why not just make a law that says criminals arent allowed to break
into home, rob stores, murder people, etc...


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Monetary compensation for the loss of life is about as best encouragement for better gun-control as I can come up with, maybe in the future I will advocate the entirety banning of weapons but at this point in time I am in favor of legal citizens and their RIGHT to own weapons.




so you still advocate punishing the innocent for the actions of the criminal


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22499653 - 11/09/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

He's talking about punishing people for negligence


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22499657 - 11/09/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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He's talking about punishing people for negligence





They do do that. They take ALL your guns away and you can't own any anymore. I tell you thats one of any gun owners biggest fears.:tongue2: And yes I said do do.

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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22499682 - 11/09/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You don't think the Spaniards' use of superior weaponry had anything to do with it?




why was custer defeated at little big horn? custer had superior weaponry



Probably because of very bad tactical errors and being extremely outnumbered.




dont you think that the spanish were also badly outnumbered?

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You speak of all the native americans being weak and fragmented because of warring against each other. This may have been true in many cases, but the Incan Empire was pretty much at it's peak when the Spaniards invaded. They were pretty much the Roman empire of South America.




I didnt speak of them being weak, I said they were weakened, they all had thriving
empires at some point but it wasnt merely the spanish that brought them down


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22499686 - 11/09/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Trigger locks typically break the trigger mechanic of the fire-arm when forced open.




no they dont




I apologize if my information is wrong, I am not perfect. I was under the idea that they did, and if they don't I can't imagine it would be all that difficult to create ones that did. Possibly even inventing new weapons with built in locks or conversion methods for existing weapons to achieve the same principle.

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so in a situation of self defense a person should have to run to one location,
open a safe, unlock a trigger and then run to a second location to retrieve
ammunition, then load a magazine and then load the gun, cycle the round into the
chamber and do all of this while being pursued by an attacker while in a panic
situation... why not just make a law that says criminals aren't allowed to break
into home, rob stores, murder people, etc...




In the event of a home-invasion, I would imagine one would lock their doors, or have other methods of giving one adequate time to prepare for a gun battle. Kick proof doors, reinforced windows. Ideally if your living somewhere where this is a major problem you would exhaust all peaceful methods of deterring an intruder, and if you are wealthy and living somewhere where this isn't a major issue than you would exhaust funding for peaceful deterring methods before immediately loading a gun and shooting someone.

I am in favor of defending your property, if somebody came onto my family's privately owned property with a weapon, I am going to assume they intend to do me bodily harm.

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so you still advocate punishing the innocent for the actions of the criminal




Quit twisting my words, no I advocate insensitive for safer gun ownership.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22499692 - 11/09/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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He's talking about punishing people for negligence





no, he's talking about punishing victims of crimes for the criminal's actions

you've still not addressed my questions

who is to be held accountable and for what?

how will registration of firearms prevent criminals from getting firearms?


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22499705 - 11/09/15 10:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The vast majority of gun violence is gang related, why don't we deport the people most commonly associated with gangs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #22499710 - 11/09/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think everyone needs to watch some western movies.:tongue2:
:cow:  :cow:  :cow:
Round em up boys!!! YEEEEEE HA

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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shortknight]
    #22500723 - 11/09/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

guns are banned in uk but there are plenty of them about on black market/pub car park. £50 for grenades £200 for m16/ak74.
so banning guns makes them cheaper.
the brits just dont go waving them about in your face all day. they stay buried in the garden until needed.
there is also very low gun crime, mostly perpetrated by african and east european immigrants. and chavvy little scrotes who listen to rap too much and get convinced the 8th of shit bush in their pocket makes them a gangster.
nah, the gangsters speak in a quiet voice.


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