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Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned.
    #22497112 - 11/08/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shiithead] * 3
    #22497143 - 11/08/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If those stats about the increase of gun violence since guns were banned is true then I might actually reconsider my position on gun control. As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: HardTrippin] * 2
    #22497171 - 11/08/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.





I've often thought that as well.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #22497182 - 11/08/15 06:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Culture has always been fucked.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Shiithead]
    #22497189 - 11/08/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Heh, indeed.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: HardTrippin] * 1
    #22497210 - 11/08/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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HardTrippin said:
If those stats about the increase of gun violence since guns were banned is true then I might actually reconsider my position on gun control. As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.




they're somewhat true, home invasion as Linda Thompson (a conspiracy nutter)
stated, was relatively new and anything oover the first few would certainly
reflect an increase in rates, the simple fact is, australia never had a huge
problem with gun related crime and the gun ban did reduce it somewhat over
the last 19 years but when this video was done the gun crime rates did in fact
increase and since the bun buy back violent crimes and murders have increased,
this gun ban didnt stop gun crimes and it didnt stop mass killings, it simply
changed the tools used

culture plays a large role in these gun crimes but it's not a 'gun culture', it's
a thug culture, the US has a society that perpetuates it, we have music that
glamorizes being in gangs and killing people, we have movies that portray it as
glamorous, the largest factor though is parenting, when daddy is a thug a kid
wants to be like him, when the kids see mom out chicken heading and creating
drama they begin to perpetuate the cycle because they see it as acceptable
behavior, you cant tell a kid 'dont do this' when they see you doing just that


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #22497272 - 11/08/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Le_Canard said:
Quote:

HardTrippin said:
As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.





I've often thought that as well.




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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497289 - 11/08/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

HardTrippin said:
If those stats about the increase of gun violence since guns were banned is true then I might actually reconsider my position on gun control. As always though, I attribute gun violence in the U.S. more to culture than to legislation.




they're somewhat true, home invasion as Linda Thompson (a conspiracy nutter)
stated, was relatively new and anything oover the first few would certainly
reflect an increase in rates, the simple fact is, australia never had a huge
problem with gun related crime and the gun ban did reduce it somewhat over
the last 19 years but when this video was done the gun crime rates did in fact
increase and since the bun buy back violent crimes and murders have increased,
this gun ban didnt stop gun crimes and it didnt stop mass killings, it simply
changed the tools used

culture plays a large role in these gun crimes but it's not a 'gun culture', it's
a thug culture, the US has a society that perpetuates it, we have music that
glamorizes being in gangs and killing people, we have movies that portray it as
glamorous, the largest factor though is parenting, when daddy is a thug a kid
wants to be like him, when the kids see mom out chicken heading and creating
drama they begin to perpetuate the cycle because they see it as acceptable
behavior, you cant tell a kid 'dont do this' when they see you doing just that




Wrong Wrong Wrong. http://theconversation.com/faking-waves-how-the-nra-and-pro-gun-americans-abuse-australian-crime-stats-11678
Any references for me to laugh at?


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
    #22497312 - 11/08/15 06:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

wrong, wrong, wrong?

how about providing some discussion with your claim

straight from the australians...

http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html


http://www.news.com.au/national/is-australia-staring-down-the-barrel-of-a-gun-crisis/story-fncynjr2-1226690018325

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* There have been 39 people shot in Sydney this year, most related to an ongoing bikie war.

* Conservative estimates say there are more than a quarter-of-a-million illegal firearms in Australia.

* Gun ownership in Australia is back at pre-Port Arthur massacre levels.

* Carrying a gun is becoming more common and ingrained in outlaw culture.

* Gun amnesties barely put a dent in the number of weapons.

* Innocent people are being caught up in gun battles.

* There has been a steady increase in gun-related crimes over the past seven years.




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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497494 - 11/08/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good.
Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html
I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you.
And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.


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Edited by pineninja (11/08/15 07:21 PM)


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
    #22497509 - 11/08/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

pineninja said:
Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good.
Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html
I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you.
And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.





it also backs my assertion that immediately after the ban the homicide rates increased


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
    #22497511 - 11/08/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

IMO You don't want to head into this argument with a handful of stats/nails in your coffin . Stick to your ideologies they're harder to disprove.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
    #22497515 - 11/08/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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pineninja said:
IMO You don't want to head into this argument with a handful of stats/nails in your coffin . Stick to your ideologies they're harder to disprove.





did homicides and home invasions increase in the years immediately after the gun ban?


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497586 - 11/08/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

pineninja said:
Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good.
Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html
I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you.
And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.





it also backs my assertion that immediately after the ban the homicide rates increased



Cherry picking much......I'll give you one last chance to read it properly(from your source strangely enough).
"Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population."
"The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968."
"The number of murder victims fluctuated slightly from 1993 to 2007, whereas manslaughter remained relatively stable."
Ready Aim Liar.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
    #22497590 - 11/08/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So by your rational if it rains in the middle of summer it ain't summer anymore?


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497620 - 11/08/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

pineninja said:
IMO You don't want to head into this argument with a handful of stats/nails in your coffin . Stick to your ideologies they're harder to disprove.





did homicides and home invasions increase in the years immediately after the gun ban?




Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

pineninja said:
IMO You don't want to head into this argument with a handful of stats/nails in your coffin . Stick to your ideologies they're harder to disprove.





did homicides and home invasions increase in the years immediately after the gun ban?



Damn it your right must have been cause we took away easy access to guns = Delusional.


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
    #22497646 - 11/08/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

here's a good video on gun control, explains where you should have your guns 2:20



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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
    #22497694 - 11/08/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

pineninja said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

pineninja said:
Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good.
Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html
I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you.
And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.





it also backs my assertion that immediately after the ban the homicide rates increased



Cherry picking much......I'll give you one last chance to read it properly(from your source strangely enough).
"Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population."
"The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968."
"The number of murder victims fluctuated slightly from 1993 to 2007, whereas manslaughter remained relatively stable."
Ready Aim Liar.





my statements were pretty specific and here you are trying to make some other claims

did homicides increase in the initial years after the gun ban?


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497721 - 11/08/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

pineninja said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

pineninja said:
Ok so first of all thanks for the giggle I knew they would be good.
Secondly, as you have proven that you struggle to take conflicting argument seriously! by quoting a paper which backs up my argument?http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html
I don't think I am going to waste to much of my time on you.
And to finish it of you have grab a heavily editorialised article from arguably the extreme right of the Australian media, in which they themselves " due to the law not ethics " explain the fallibility of their sensationalist claims.





it also backs my assertion that immediately after the ban the homicide rates increased



Cherry picking much......I'll give you one last chance to read it properly(from your source strangely enough).
"Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population."
"The percentage of homicides committed with a firearm continued a declining trend which began in 1969. In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms. The figure was similar in 2002 and 2001, down from a high of 44% in 1968."
"The number of murder victims fluctuated slightly from 1993 to 2007, whereas manslaughter remained relatively stable."
Ready Aim Liar.





my statements were pretty specific and here you are trying to make some other claims

did homicides increase in the initial years after the gun ban?




LOL those "claims" are copied straight from the literature that you provided.
Yes they did see above....... have they dropped on average from inception to now??


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Re: Gun Control. Watch what happens when guns are banned. [Re: pineninja]
    #22497732 - 11/08/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

did the homicide rate increase in the years after the gun ban?

it's an easy question to answer, I'm not asking about gun crimes, gun  related
suicides or any of that, I asked a simple, straight forward question


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