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The main purpose of the psychedelic experience...
    #22495712 - 11/08/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

is to remind you that our minds (and thus reality) can be completely altered, to infinite degrees. that literally, anything is possible within the province of mind. that's the whole point of a drug experience. to REMIND you of that. there's nothing more to it than that. if you have some crazy tripped out, "spiritual" life-confirming experience on drugs, all it's saying is--yes, the mind can go here--it's fucking infinite.

so once you realize that, ideally, you start working on your mind, without drugs. you start altering your own mind: through imagination, through affirmation, through creative works, through self-belief. whatever you believe becomes the reality. you don't need a drug to change your world.

alot of people don't get the message though. they say "wow that was fucking insane! shroooms are so crazy!" or whatever. and then they just get into drugs. they just keep having that experience over and over again--"ooh wow, so trippy, reality is changing!" but they never learn how to change their reality without the drug.

that's all the psychedelic experience really shows you--that your mind is alterable. no, you didn't find nirvana in a shroom--you just realized anything is possible within the mind.



(this is more of a note to myself than anyone else, but i thought i'd share)  :cool:


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: resonant111]
    #22495735 - 11/08/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

:seriousthumbsup: very true


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #22495743 - 11/08/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

psychedelics show you nothing but your true potential. :yesnod:


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: SleepyE]
    #22495782 - 11/08/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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SleepyE said:
psychedelics show you nothing but your true potential. :yesnod:




drugs might show you the potential, but it's up to you to actualize it.
i think it's easy to fall into the mentality of "oh well the drug will show me what i need to see" but then never really do anything afterwards--except maybe more drugs.

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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: SleepyE]
    #22495794 - 11/08/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, but there is noway I can recreate the lsd sex I had yesterday when I'm sober haha, unfortunate but true. The sensitivity is just not there,  maybe If I meditate forever? I don't know.


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: resonant111]
    #22495796 - 11/08/15 01:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

thats why i said potential.

The goal is to become what youre seeing i think.

it gives you a direction and inspires you to push towards it. But some are lazy. :shrug:


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: satch1234]
    #22495848 - 11/08/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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satch1234 said:
Yes, but there is noway I can recreate the lsd sex I had yesterday when I'm sober haha, unfortunate but true. The sensitivity is just not there,  maybe If I meditate forever? I don't know.




you could, you just have to believe in the power of your own mind.
what was the thing that made the LSD sex so otherworldly?

focus on what that quality was, and eventually you can get back there...if you don't believe it's possible, obviously it won't happen


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: resonant111]
    #22495901 - 11/08/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's good to keep yourself grounded with little notes like this but all the chitter chatter becomes essentially meaningless when the experience hits you full on. I straight up transcend language so maybe you should stick to describing your own experience and not speculating on others.


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: SoloTrip]
    #22496002 - 11/08/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yes, i've too been to places that were beyond language...that's the power of the mind.
once again, you don't necessarily need drugs to get there though.

for example, you can go on vision quests by simply using your own imagination.
i've traveled to all sorts of worlds by just closing my eyes and taking off...

dreams often transcend language as well...


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: resonant111] * 1
    #22496734 - 11/08/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I really don't know how people have something to say about the mushroom experience. I haven't even done high doses, just enough to enter paradise. That IS something else out there, or in there, or wherever it is... I totally understand the 'sacred mushroom' tag.


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: circastes]
    #22496964 - 11/08/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

is whatever you make of it.


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22497115 - 11/08/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't take them initially with the intention of having some sort of transformative experience. I just wanted to see tracers that I'd heard about, but that's what I got. It's a common narrative. All the sudden I realized I'm part of this thing whatever it is, and my mind was awakened to the world around me. All sorts of worlds -- art, history, philosophy, science etc. I developed a thirst for knowledge overnight. And I might have gotten there without drugs, with the all the stimulation today, but it is as if they led me there by the hand. It was like the hand of God! And I don't know what happens at ultra high doses either but I imagine you get diminishing returns at some point. (that adding more substance at a certain point just produces greater confusion)


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: SoloTrip]
    #22497497 - 11/08/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

you don't need a drug to change your world.




I love this bit. :thumbup:


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: resonant111]
    #22498446 - 11/08/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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resonant111 said:
is to remind you that our minds (and thus reality) can be completely altered, to infinite degrees. that literally, anything is possible within the province of mind. that's the whole point of a drug experience. to REMIND you of that. there's nothing more to it than that. if you have some crazy tripped out, "spiritual" life-confirming experience on drugs, all it's saying is--yes, the mind can go here--it's fucking infinite.

so once you realize that, ideally, you start working on your mind, without drugs. you start altering your own mind: through imagination, through affirmation, through creative works, through self-belief. whatever you believe becomes the reality. you don't need a drug to change your world.

alot of people don't get the message though. they say "wow that was fucking insane! shroooms are so crazy!" or whatever. and then they just get into drugs. they just keep having that experience over and over again--"ooh wow, so trippy, reality is changing!" but they never learn how to change their reality without the drug.

that's all the psychedelic experience really shows you--that your mind is alterable. no, you didn't find nirvana in a shroom--you just realized anything is possible within the mind.



(this is more of a note to myself than anyone else, but i thought i'd share)  :cool:




It's true that the mind is infinite and drugs show you that but is that really all they're saying? Leary, Alpert and Metzner wrote a book called "the psychedelic experience" and in that book, the idea was to leave the mind behind completely and attain liberation through recognizing the Clear Light. Working on your mind is fantastic but you can get stuck working on your mind endlessly. There must be something higher even than that. Not to say that recognizing the ultimate means you dont also need to work on your mind, but its the old "is enlightnement an event or a process?" debate.


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
    #22498756 - 11/09/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

To me the purpose of psychedelics is breaking down walls and preconceptions. I read that scientifically speaking, the effect of psychedelics on the mind is basically just removing the preconceptions we use everyday to fill in gaps in perception, which is what causes the hallucinations- because we're missing information we need to perceive our world properly. It's just mind-expanding any way you look at it.


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: circastes]
    #22499031 - 11/09/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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circastes said:
I really don't know how people have something to say about the mushroom experience. I haven't even done high doses, just enough to enter paradise. That IS something else out there, or in there, or wherever it is... I totally understand the 'sacred mushroom' tag.




...I feel sad for people that don't get a form of spirituality from a mushroom journey...

...they move me profoundly! Literally life changing!...You just need to actually manifest that destiny...Love,light,intellect,nature,health, optimizum.....BE STRONG..DON'T BE LAZY...CARPE DIEM!

...I wish they did this for everyone! The world transformed....:harp:

......FUCK YES!...FEEL THE POWER!...CHANNEL IT INTO YOUR LIFE!:levitate::bigyesnod:


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Re: The main purpose of the psychedelic experience... [Re: voodoochild1000]
    #22499082 - 11/09/15 05:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Feeling :happyheart:


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