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thebug76
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Tray/slurry question
#22494923 - 11/08/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, here's my idea. I have a 6qt tray that I'm planning to use 3qts hpoo/ 1 1/2qts each of verm and coir with a handful of gypsum. I have some 1/2 pint pf cakes that should reach 100% today or tomorrow, so that should give me about a week to figure this out.
If I oven pasteurize so it dries and rehydrate with a slurry of 2 cakes, how much water would I need? I know someone has been doing this enough to have a better idea of ratios than me.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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thebug76
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: thebug76]
#22494966 - 11/08/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Also, my original plan was to use 6 - 1/2 pint jars per 6qt tray for a 1/4 spawn ratio, but I was reading that the slurry tek can expand spawn much further. You guys dont think this would be overexpanding do you?
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: thebug76]
#22494970 - 11/08/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would just make my sub on the slightly dry side of field capacity then oven pasteurize and spawn with slurry. Ive found that subs wont dry out too much in the oven if theyre tightly covered in foil ive only done it a few times cause imo it takes too long to get the sub to temp and there are better ways but its really easy and I guess practical if you do it like eats does (ie 4 turkey tins at once) but your only pasteurizing a few quarts of sub id do it in jars in a water bath rr style but there are many ways to skin a cat just make sure to have your temps right 140-180 in the center of the sub for 1 hour and youll be boss
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: tetherface]
#22494989 - 11/08/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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6 1/2 pints is too much to slurry that would take several quarts of water just to make the slurry which would def fuck your field capacity I use slurrys for grain alot but ive never used it as spawn my advice would be to slurry 1 cake and grind the rest up with a cheese grater spawn that then slurry on top and mix really if you want to get into bulk you should get into grain and slurry to grain then spawn the grain 5 days later but thats just my opinion
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thebug76
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: tetherface]
#22495137 - 11/08/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just waiting til I get a PC before I get into grains. If not before, then definitely at tax time.
No, originally I was just going to crumble the 6 cakes, but after reading about slurry, I was thinking just slurry 2. It brings my ratio down to 1/12. I was just wondering if that was spreading too thin.
Back to my original question though. How much water would it take to hydrate 3qts of hpoo and 1 1/2qts each of coir and verm? Total of 6 qts sub. That's how much LI I want to make with 2 cakes, maybe 3 if you guys think 2 is over expanding.
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: thebug76]
#22497050 - 11/08/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You cant soley use the slurry to hydrate because the sub needs to be most when pasteurizing which is why I suggested a minimal amount of slurry mixed with conventional y spawned sub but to answer your question id say between 2-3 qts of water to bring your6 quarts of sub to field capacity hope this helps and good luck bro
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thebug76
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: tetherface]
#22497642 - 11/08/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, cool, I get what you're saying now. Thanks.
Do you guys think 2 cakes would be enough to spawn to 6qts of sub using slurry tek? Just curious about that because, from what I understand, using a slurry allows you to expand your spawn further.
I know that puts me at 1/12 or 1:11 spawn ratio. I know it would work if everything were perfect, but my pf cakes are from MS. I know MS syringes are rarely 100% contam free.
Edit: I mean only use like 1qt of water to slurry, and have the sub partially hydrated during pasteurization.
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Edited by thebug76 (11/08/15 09:51 PM)
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: thebug76]
#22498269 - 11/08/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It will definitely work but your yield will be similar to a grow from 2 cakes still I think (prob quite a bit better tho) the more spawn to sub ratio the better so add some crumbled cakes as well or use less sub to get a better yield/BE have you read over all eatyualives post on the slurry trials? If I were you I would replicate that as vlose as possinle as eats is a beast at this shit
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thebug76
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: tetherface]
#22498306 - 11/08/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm always on here on my phone, so honestly, after I enlarge enough to read the titles and threads, I don't see authors much. I couldn't tell you who authored (sp?) any of the teks I've read because of that. I tell people apart more by recognizing signatures. I'll be sure to look up his work tho. Thanks for the tip.
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: thebug76]
#22498422 - 11/08/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you get a trey slurry every time a girl goes to a phish concert.
But yeah, it would be hard to short your substrate that hard on hydration and slurry the cakes.
What you could do it slurry the cakes and spawn to straight verm, which requires no treatment and can be EASILY hydrated way under field capacity. 1:12 is way too low a spawn ratio for grain let alone cakes IMO. Probably just do the cheese grater thing and spawn the cakes to coir. Bulk substrate isn't really adding much nutrition, mostly water capacity, so there's not a great deal of benefit to adding tons and tons.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
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thebug76
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Ok cool, I'll most likely scrap the slurry idea for now and go back to my original plan. I'm probably gonna just replicate my first grow in 1qt mini trays, I have a bunch of those. I have 12 jars colonizing (6 AA+ and 6-GT), I originally planned to use 2-6qt trays, but I don't like putting all my eggs in one basket so to speak.
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Re: Tray/slurry question [Re: thebug76]
#22498544 - 11/08/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can do that.
Personally I would just crumble or grate each cake into an empty bowl, then give it a good whiff. If it smells good, dump it into your coir, if not, toss.
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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister. I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave. I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent. Triggered yet? Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."
No, this does not look right...
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