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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497034 - 11/08/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Persistence. They are police officers and the group was not actively threatening them.





so you're of the opinion that non violent criminals should simply be followed and
pestered until they relent and allow the cop to cite them, since burglary suspects
are also non violent shouldnt that also apply to them? I'm sure loads of criminals
will be apprehended with your technique, so many in fact that it should be applied
to murderers and rapists as long as they dont act violently towards the cops

"come on mister criminal, let me just put these handcuffs on you, it'll be fun"



I've said we don't know how many times they were told to stop, but given that they were literately stepping up the curb of a small road at the beginning of  the video that only gives the officers the time it takes for a healthy young adult to cross a street to say something. Now, how much time does a young adult take to cross a street and in that time how many times can an officer make a request to stop?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22497225 - 11/08/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If the group had immediately complied with the police officer's orders it would have negated the city wide police crackdown on jaywalking by leaving a group of pedestrians stationary in middle of a street.






horse shit... they could have simply crossed back the way they came and shit would
have been fine, instead they took the "I know my rights" approach and continued
their quest to disregard the cop's instructions and instead of handling shit like
adults they decided to hash is out in the street, as several others had pointed out
they're clearly shown resisting and in today's environment we all know what that
gets you, the cops call it 'pain compliance techniques', libtards call it a
beating when in reality this little pussies didnt get close to a beating, one guy
got punched in the arm a few times HOLY FUCKING SHIT, EXECUTE THE COPS FOR
PUNCHING SOMEONE IN THE ARM!!!!

as I said before, we've become a nation of pansies




HOLY FUCKING SHIT, EXECUTE THE MAN FOR CROSSING THE STREET!
In no way was that an appropriate level of force the bloke was not resisting!
Better PANSIES than FASCISTS imo.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22497256 - 11/08/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Forgot about this.
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So what was the window about?





Here you can see a jaywalker hands raised walking towards the window with the officers hands on his shoulders. A few feet from the window the officer changes his grip into a half nelson and begins to perform a take down..





the take down doesnt begin until the guy starts turning around on the cop


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497278 - 11/08/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What was the purpose of the half nelson?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497279 - 11/08/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Why can't there be a rule where the reaction from the cop has to be proportional to the original crime, avoiding the whole resisting arrest bullshit? That way if someone refuses to stop for jaywalking then cops don't end up punching people in the face, they just let them go. Pick your battles, you know.





why cant there be a rule that people have to release the video from 2 minutes prior
to any encounter with the police because what I see here is some dumbasses decided
to disregard police order in order to get some shit on tape and become the latest
"victims" of police brutality and gain their 15 minutes of fame



body cameras for cops win win


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497322 - 11/08/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Forgot about this.
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So what was the window about?





Here you can see a jaywalker hands raised walking towards the window with the officers hands on his shoulders. A few feet from the window the officer changes his grip into a half nelson and begins to perform a take down..





the take down doesnt begin until the guy starts turning around on the cop



The cop pulls him around! When in that position (half nelson) the officer has total leverage and control which he then abused!


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #22497334 - 11/08/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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body cameras for cops win win





is it? there have been several times the body cam video was released and even
though it shows self defense the liberals are claiming that it's murder and
demand charges against the cops, that leads to extremely costly trials in
which juries seen to be acquitting the cops because they also see self defense

there's never a win for the cops and there's never a win for tax payers footing these bills


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: pineninja]
    #22497338 - 11/08/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Forgot about this.
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zappaisgod said:
So what was the window about?





Here you can see a jaywalker hands raised walking towards the window with the officers hands on his shoulders. A few feet from the window the officer changes his grip into a half nelson and begins to perform a take down..





the take down doesnt begin until the guy starts turning around on the cop



The cop pulls him around! When in that position (half nelson) the officer has total leverage and control which he then abused!





bullshit. a half nelson is limited control at best and the cop isnt pulling him
until the guy begins to turn


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497395 - 11/08/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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bullshit. a half nelson is limited control at best and the cop isnt pulling him
until the guy begins to turn



A half nelson is full control when the person is complying.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22497470 - 11/08/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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bullshit. a half nelson is limited control at best and the cop isnt pulling him
until the guy begins to turn



A half nelson is full control when the person is complying.




if the persona is complying, in the gif you posted there's a gap between the
officers elbow and the point it would connect on the guy he's trying to take
into custody, that means the guy is moving before the cop


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22497483 - 11/08/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Let me fully break this down. The appropriate way to handle this situation is:
Upon being told fuck you the police officer follow them across the street and press the complying citizen against the window, remove hand cuffs from belt, pull one arm behind the citizen and cuff it then pull the other arm and cuff it.

What happened is the officer attempted to throw the citizen into window. The citizen recognizing the danger of this exhibits self preservation. This self preservation convinces another officer that the citizen is resisting even though he is complying. The second officer enters the struggle and begins to fight with the first officer for control of the citizen. This prompts a third officer to enter the struggle and begins fighting the other two officers for control of the complying citizen.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22497491 - 11/08/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Let me fully break this down. The appropriate way to handle this situation is:
Upon being told fuck you the police officer follow them across the street and press the complying citizen against the window, remove hand cuffs from belt, pull one arm behind the citizen and cuff it then pull the other arm and cuff it.

What happened is the officer attempted to throw the citizen into window. The citizen recognizing the danger of this exhibits self preservation. This self preservation convinces another officer that the citizen is resisting even though he is complying. The second officer enters the struggle and begins to fight with the first officer for control of the citizen. This prompts a third officer to enter the struggle and begins fighting the other two officers for control of the complying citizen.





let's give the other narrative, the guy says "fuck you" and is followed by the
cop, the cop reaches for him and he tries pulling away so the cops rushes him and
slams him into the window and starts to apply a half nelson and while fishing for
the other hand the guy starts to turn around on the cop which in turn appears
he's trying to elbow the cop in the jaw so the cop forces him down where he
continues to resist resulting him him being punched in the arm while the cop is
trying to gain control of his hand to apply handcuffs


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497512 - 11/08/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The officer in not slowing down upon approach of the window and begins applying the half nelson as the citizen slows himself as he approaches the window. This is self preservation. The citizen is slowing himself as to not hit the window with enough force to potentially break it. The officer recognizes this act of self preservation as resistance and applies a half nelson while continuing to push the citizen full force into the window. The citizen recognizing that the officer is not going to allow him to slow down and rolls his shoulder into the window.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22497531 - 11/08/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The officer in not slowing down upon approach of the window and begins applying the half nelson as the citizen slows himself as he approaches the window. This is self preservation. The citizen is slowing himself as to not hit the window with enough force to potentially break it. The officer recognizes this act of self preservation as resistance and applies a half nelson while continuing to push the citizen full force into the window. The citizen recognizing that the officer is not going to allow him to slow down and rolls his shoulder into the window.





the citizen is leading it and that can be verified by his continued attempt to resist


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497594 - 11/08/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The officers are clearly angered by their comment.

The officer attempts to throw the citizen into the window. The citizen resists the potential damage that that may cause. The officer sees this and attempts to body slam the citizen. The citizen resists the potential damage that that may cause. The officer knees the citizen in the hip. The citizen reels in pain and buckles. The officer proceeds to beat the citizen in the back of the head. The citizen covers the back of his head/neck in an attempt to lessen the damage that will cause.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497652 - 11/08/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The officer in not slowing down upon approach of the window and begins applying the half nelson as the citizen slows himself as he approaches the window. This is self preservation. The citizen is slowing himself as to not hit the window with enough force to potentially break it. The officer recognizes this act of self preservation as resistance and applies a half nelson while continuing to push the citizen full force into the window. The citizen recognizing that the officer is not going to allow him to slow down and rolls his shoulder into the window.





the citizen is leading it and that can be verified by his continued attempt to resist



How is the footage of a man with his hands in the air in the clutches of a cop calmly complying a verification of anything other than an unjustified escalation by frustrated individuals(cops).


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: pineninja]
    #22497685 - 11/08/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The officer in not slowing down upon approach of the window and begins applying the half nelson as the citizen slows himself as he approaches the window. This is self preservation. The citizen is slowing himself as to not hit the window with enough force to potentially break it. The officer recognizes this act of self preservation as resistance and applies a half nelson while continuing to push the citizen full force into the window. The citizen recognizing that the officer is not going to allow him to slow down and rolls his shoulder into the window.





the citizen is leading it and that can be verified by his continued attempt to resist



How is the footage of a man with his hands in the air in the clutches of a cop calmly complying a verification of anything other than an unjustified escalation by frustrated individuals(cops).





lol... did you watch the same video?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497692 - 11/08/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The officer in not slowing down upon approach of the window and begins applying the half nelson as the citizen slows himself as he approaches the window. This is self preservation. The citizen is slowing himself as to not hit the window with enough force to potentially break it. The officer recognizes this act of self preservation as resistance and applies a half nelson while continuing to push the citizen full force into the window. The citizen recognizing that the officer is not going to allow him to slow down and rolls his shoulder into the window.






the citizen is leading it and that can be verified by his continued attempt to resist



How is the footage of a man with his hands in the air in the clutches of a cop calmly complying a verification of anything other than an unjustified escalation by frustrated individuals(cops).





lol... did you watch the same video?



lol... Yes. He had already complied before being assaulted.[


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: pineninja]
    #22497718 - 11/08/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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lol... Yes. He had already complied before being assaulted.[





he wasnt complying though

wanna know how I teach my kids to defend themselves against bullies. I tell them to
raise their hands in a submissive posture and to draw a lot of attention to
themselves while shouting "I dont want to fight you, stop hitting me"

everything the guy did after disregarding the barricade was more to escalate the incident


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497790 - 11/08/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The barricades were to stop vehicles not pedestrians. It's likley the individuals did whatever they did to the barricades to have the officers acknowledge the barricades as a device specifically desigened and placed to allow pedestrians to cross.


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