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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22496619 - 11/08/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

He was resisting assault, not resisting arrest.  Every human has the right to resist assault.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: DieCommie]
    #22496621 - 11/08/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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One day I hope I can see a video like that where the entire scene is filmed, not just the arrest.

Was the kid being a smart ass?
Was he taunting the cops?
Was he previously known by the cops?

You know. context.





None of those contexts justify assault.




what about resisting or obstruction?




Nope.  The only time violence is justified is in self defense.





maybe it's time you take up the call to be a cop so you can show everyone how to accomplish that


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22496638 - 11/08/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My IQ is too high, they would never let me in.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22496645 - 11/08/15 04:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So he should have allowed himself to be tackled face first through a window? He should resist his instinctual urge to protect the delicate organs in his face that allow him to perceive and communicate with the world at large? He should accept a massive loss in quality of life to uphold the idea that police have a hard job?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: DieCommie]
    #22496648 - 11/08/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My IQ is too high, they would never let me in.





high in relation to what, mayonnaise?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22496655 - 11/08/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

He should have gotten out of the car when the cop told him to.  Do you think every douchebag who breaks the law should be immune from forcible arrest if they just don't feel like it?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22496656 - 11/08/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My IQ is too high, they would never let me in.





high in relation to what, mayonnaise?




No, high in relation to the upper-limit set in police hiring requirements.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22496666 - 11/08/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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He should have gotten out of the car when the cop told him to.



Do you even know what happened?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22496671 - 11/08/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Not really.  Do you?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22496692 - 11/08/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No motor vehicles were involved in the arrest. The law breakers, which no one is debating here they broke the law, were never in a car. The police were never in a car, they were on bikes.

What is being debated is the over use of force.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22496752 - 11/08/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So what was the window about?

If I break the law and the cop observes me but I tell him to fuck off and die I aint giving him ID to cite me does that mean he has to accede to my wishes and just walk away without doing what is required to ensure that the law is enforced?


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22496848 - 11/08/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Persistence. They are police officers and the group was not actively threatening them.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: DieCommie]
    #22496861 - 11/08/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Although the cop said the reason for the assault and arrest was that the victims had "crossed against the light", it seems that the real reason was because someone from the group cursed at the cops.

It all started when a group of five friends, all in their mid-20s, were walking early Friday morning. “We were walking across the street, the sign said do not walk, but (the) lights were already turning yellow and (the) streets were blocked off so we kept walking,” Rolando Ramiro, who recorded and posted the video, told the American-Statesman. The police then asked for IDs, but two of them responded by yelling an expletive. That apparently offended the cops, and lots of officers started approaching.

The video begins with three officers trying to detain one of the men. At one point, one officer appears to put him in a chokehold, and another one can clearly be seen punching his arm. Meanwhile the person is on the ground, demanding to know why he is being detained. “I’m handcuffed already, you can get your knees off me,” the man on the ground says at one point. One of their friends, a woman, starts getting involved and demands to know why he is being taken to jail. “Crossing against the light,” the officer can be heard saying. That woman and another man were also handcuffed and arrested in a violent manner, even though it doesn’t seem like they did anything to resist at any point. One of the three people arrested was charged with resisting arrest.

“As is standard protocol, the Chain of Command will review the Response to Resistance and the incident to determine what led up to the events captured in the video and whether the officer’s actions were in compliance with APD policy,” the Austin Police Department said.
-- http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/07/video_austin_police_tackle_punch_and_handcuff_unarmed_men_for_jaywalking.html


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22496881 - 11/08/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

that's funny I live in round rock which is basically Austin but more conservative if you get pulled over with anything it ass is going to jail.          there's this highway across from my apartment and I have to cross it to get to tge supermarket.    I go when you least expect it I can judge the distance very well and only need a small opening to cross it .      I start running before the first car passes me I cross right behind the first car and cross one more lane .... it's a lot of fun lol


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Idiot]
    #22496917 - 11/08/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Persistence. They are police officers and the group was not actively threatening them.





so you're of the opinion that non violent criminals should simply be followed and
pestered until they relent and allow the cop to cite them, since burglary suspects
are also non violent shouldnt that also apply to them? I'm sure loads of criminals
will be apprehended with your technique, so many in fact that it should be applied
to murderers and rapists as long as they dont act violently towards the cops

"come on mister criminal, let me just put these handcuffs on you, it'll be fun"


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Kinko]
    #22496935 - 11/08/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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that's funny I live in round rock which is basically Austin but more conservative if you get pulled over with anything it ass is going to jail.          there's this highway across from my apartment and I have to cross it to get to tge supermarket.    I go when you least expect it I can judge the distance very well and only need a small opening to cross it .      I start running before the first car passes me I cross right behind the first car and cross one more lane .... it's a lot of fun lol






it doesnt always work out that way... this is how jay walkers should be handled
as long as it's not the cops doing the dirty work and since the jay wlakers were
breaking the laws, they should have no recourse



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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22496946 - 11/08/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Forgot about this.
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So what was the window about?





Here you can see a jaywalker hands raised walking towards the window with the officers hands on his shoulders. A few feet from the window the officer changes his grip into a half nelson and begins to perform a take down. The jaywalker is surprised by this escalation as he was complying with the officers physical direction and sees that the take down is heading towards the window. In an attempt prevent his face from breaking the window and potentially falling onto broken shards of glass he rolls his shoulder towards the window. The officer being tied up in a half nelson gets spun into the window as well.

Yes, there are a lot of assumption on motive in this description but I don't believe my synopsis is too far fetched. So, in essence the jaywalkers attempt at self preservation was read as resistance.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22496980 - 11/08/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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that's funny I live in round rock which is basically Austin but more conservative if you get pulled over with anything it ass is going to jail.          there's this highway across from my apartment and I have to cross it to get to tge supermarket.    I go when you least expect it I can judge the distance very well and only need a small opening to cross it .      I start running before the first car passes me I cross right behind the first car and cross one more lane .... it's a lot of fun lol






it doesnt always work out that way... this is how jay walkers should be handled
as long as it's not the cops doing the dirty work and since the jay wlakers were
breaking the laws, they should have no recourse





for me it has always worked out that way , rain and all.


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Kinko]
    #22497009 - 11/08/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh and that guy in the video deserved that i always run like hell when jaywalking , the cars dlmt even have to break


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Re: Texas Police Beat Up Pedestrians for Jaywalking [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22497010 - 11/08/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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it doesnt always work out that way... this is how jay walkers should be handled
as long as it's not the cops doing the dirty work and since the jay wlakers were
breaking the laws, they should have no recourse





This is criminal neglect on that officers part. Two wrongs don't make a right. The jaywalker was jaywalking, yes. When he realizes the error of his way by getting hit by a car he get a bit of pep in his step. Then the driver attempts to kill him.


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