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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22512136 - 11/11/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Since you're doing BRF cakes just build a SGFC, if you really want to, build both, and put most of your cakes in the sgfc, then see how long it takes you to put the rest of the cakes in the sgfc.
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    #22512215 - 11/12/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22512242 - 11/12/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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SGFC'S are a bitch to make and are a bit messy if your perlite very fine but its awesome for FAE. I'd say the best tub to fruit cakes in. Fuck using hydrators for cakes.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22539614 - 11/17/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well here are some updated photos






This last photo is a jar that was inoculated with golden teacher that also started showing signs of the red contamination, I held the very small spot of red upto a light for a split second and a few days later it seems like the mycelium has beaten it, although I plan on fruiting it seperatly from the rest and splitting the b+ and gt strains up in hopes to do a few spore prints for future grain and bulk adventures.

The contaminated spot was right in the middle of this photo maybe a bit lower to the left.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: Supalemonhaze] * 1
    #22539866 - 11/17/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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SGFC'S are a bitch to make and are a bit messy if your perlite very fine but its awesome for FAE. I'd say the best tub to fruit cakes in. Fuck using hydrators for cakes.



I wouldn't say they're a bitch to make... drilling all those damn holes definitely sucks though, and I dare you not to crack a few spots lol. I didn't have any problems with mess other than in my sink, and I used pretty fine perlite. As long as you rinse it well you should be fine.

Looking good btw! I don't see any kind of contam, but I would make sure you know which jar it is and keep an eye on it, if it is contaminated it's just a matter of time before it shows. I might be wrong but I don't think contaminates really go away. If it's contaminated it's contaminated and it will continue to get worse. Those look fine to me though.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: MrSturgill]
    #22540151 - 11/18/15 01:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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SGFC'S are a bitch to make and are a bit messy if your perlite very fine but its awesome for FAE. I'd say the best tub to fruit cakes in. Fuck using hydrators for cakes.



I wouldn't say they're a bitch to make... drilling all those damn holes definitely sucks though, and I dare you not to crack a few spots lol. I didn't have any problems with mess other than in my sink, and I used pretty fine perlite. As long as you rinse it well you should be fine.

Looking good btw! I don't see any kind of contam, but I would make sure you know which jar it is and keep an eye on it, if it is contaminated it's just a matter of time before it shows. I might be wrong but I don't think contaminates really go away. If it's contaminated it's contaminated and it will continue to get worse. Those look fine to me though.





Yeah thats why I said they are a bitch to make. Started with the lid. No problem. Then moved to the bottom and CRACKK. Fuck.shit.goddam. tried again. CRACCKKK. :zomgwtf:

After that I said fuck it and did the rest with a thin solder. I do my monotubs with a solder too. Beats patching up cracks with superglue lmao.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22543761 - 11/18/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I bought two smaller clear containers. I was thinking of using a dremel. Although I'm going to need Togo but buy a dremel as well, seems like a decent tool to have around. I also have a fairly large portable ac/heater in thinking of hooking up when fruiting starts simply because it's not going to be warm enough. I'm hoping it won't make the environment too dry though even with all the perlite in the sgfc.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22544315 - 11/18/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You really don't want much airflow with a sgfc... maybe use one of those oil heaters? what temp is that room going to be? as long as it's around room temp it will be fine. I know my room dips down into the upper 60s sometimes, but most of the time is around 70-73.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: MrSturgill]
    #22545141 - 11/19/15 03:00 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well that's good to know I should be able to manage then, I was thinking I needed it up in the 80's. This is really a lot easier than its made out to be in a lot of the growing guides lol


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22592424 - 11/29/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Alright so it's been a few weeks since I last posted, well here we are my jars are all almost 100% colonized. I'm at the point where I leave them for the extra 4-7 days before I dunk: although one of my golden teachers that had showed signs of some red contamination but soon after the mycelium took over and since then no other signs have shown l. Although it has fully colonized it has also decided to shoot out a pin inside the jar and has jumped ahead of the rest of the jars colonizing just by a small percent. I'm curious how vital it is that this jar be dunked sooner then later if it's starting to pin and has been sitting in the dark for the last 4 days of neglect



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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22592434 - 11/29/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If a jar that showed a red contamination is pinning inside the jar it is likely because of the contamination. I urge you to not birth that jar with he rest of your cakes or you will regret it...the mycelium wants to make sure it's existence goes on...if it is going to lose to a contamination it can spit out a fruit or two or more and drop spores so that it doesn't go extinct....it might be another story if the jar never showed a sign of being off and you had in vitro pins on fully colonized cakes but if you know the jar had red foreign objects or growth and now it is pinning in vitro it is almost certainly not worth using.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22595869 - 11/30/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Well after some thought I've decided I'm going to go with a coir verm mixture for the b+ and crumble up the cakes. I only have 3 half pint jars of b+ so I guess we shall see how that all works out, I made 2 smaller SGFC I've decided to use those to seperate the golden teachers up.

I have read just putting the cake in a bag and crumbling it works also have read using a cheese grater. Any ideas or suggestions on the matter? Should I dunk the cake before I crumble it? Or just crumble and mix into the damiens50/50 tek and wait for more colonization.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22595879 - 11/30/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Don't bother dunking them, i love the graters myself but abg makes quick work of then and also kicks ass


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Re: First time growing. [Re: DiamondMouse]
    #22596028 - 11/30/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You only need about .5 ml for one jar. Old videos I watched when I was doing pf tek said I only needed .25 ml but the syringe is hard to control for me. Basically it doesn't matter put between .5-1 ml.

Someone on this forum recently told me you don't need a  incubator as long as your house is above 68f. It promotes bacteria and mold aperantly. I'm sure you'll jars will be fine. I forgot one out in the garage one summer (high 90s) for a few days and it grew mushrooms.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: Treebux]
    #22599374 - 12/01/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

The suggestions for temps are 76 for fruiting and 86 for colonisation +/- 1 degree. nowadays 86 degrees is not recommended though as people who tried to replicate this experiment found that growth either slowed down or stayed the same in the mid 80's. Not to mention the added risk of contams.

For fruiting you do not want an ambirnt temp of 76 because a colonising monotub is said to be aboit 5 degrees warmer than the room. 60's is good enough.

Repeating what Mycologist217 said, I would definitely not birth the contaminated jar. As he said pinning is a means to survival in the wild when the mycelium is threathened. I wouldn't even open the jar before I PCed it again avoiding the risk of possibly filling your home/lab with mold spores.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22599423 - 12/01/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Temperatures inside colonizing jars are roughly 5F warmer than external temps so jars that are colonizing in a 78F room are ~83F inside which is why external temps of 86 are not good. I regularly colonize jars (grain and BRF cakes) at 80F and usually have decent colonization times.


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    #22599550 - 12/01/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

From what I have read and experienced even that is not needed.

I, like you was adamant about using an incubator. I stupidly bought it for quite a lot of money when I first started out and everyone was saying don't use it, don't use it.

I was thinking hell im not going to just put it on a shelf after spending the amount I bought it for. So I kept using it and since its quite small I had to leave some jars in a wardrobe instead of in the incubator. The end result was that both groups of jars colonised around the same time but 3njars that were I  the incubator developed bacteria and stalled. I haven't used it since. If the ambient remp is in the 60's while colonising jars I just use a small 15watt(I think) yellow bulb to heat the glass jars just a little bit, but I think even that is not really necessary since my country doesn't even get cold enough for snow and ice.


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Re: First time growing. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #22603123 - 12/02/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Well I decided to bust up the B+ last night and do a spawn to bulk, Im probably looking at a long wait considering my tub is much bigger and i used a full brick of coir and 2 quarts of vermiculite for the sub. I popped them out of the jars and oh the smell of mushroom filled my nasals and i came. Anyway I put down a good 3 inches of sub then dumped what little spawn i had ontop of it. spread it out fairly even, no i didn't mix it in, and i put another half inch of coir verm onto of it. put the lid on and I'm letting it sit, should be interesting to see how long it takes to actually start to go into fruiting. I popped those golden teachers out out on my porch, they smelled pretty decent too i ended up dunking them, They were well past colonization. I'm thinking maybe i was over reacting on the in vitro pinning, the B+ were completely finished colonizing in the jars, I'm assuming the Golden teachers were too. I didn't see any weird molds in any of the jars, or any weird smells, just the smell of mush. thx everyone for the help and insight :smile:


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Re: First time growing. [Re: Mycologist217]
    #22603312 - 12/02/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Temperatures inside colonizing jars are roughly 5F warmer than external temps so jars that are colonizing in a 78F room are ~83F inside which is why external temps of 86 are not good. I regularly colonize jars (grain and BRF cakes) at 80F and usually have decent colonization times.




I'd bring that shit down to 75 at least. Seriously. 75 is the best for EVERY aspect. Time to bust out some RR quotes.
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I've been saying that for years.  My petri dish studies a few years ago showed that cubensis reaches peak linear growth between 75F and 80F, then is flat until 83F, where it starts to slow down.  Mycelium at 86F is growing at about 2/3 the speed of mycelium at 80F.  In addition, the higher temps tend to stimulate thermophic molds and bacteria.

There's LOT'S of good information in TMC, but that 86F figure is one of the errors.
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It was all posted on the other board.  I don't know if the threads are still there or not.  Bottom line was the tubs that had petri dishes between 75F and 81F showed no difference in growth.  Below 75F, and above 81F growth slowed down, with a rapid drop in colonization speed below 70F and above 83F.  At 86F, a petri dish would be 2/3 colonized, while its sister at 75F would be fully colonized.  Rate of growth at 86F was exactly the same as rate of growth at 72F, with fastest growth as said, occurring between 75F and 81F.

Note that these tests were for linear growth in the two dimensional plane of a petri dish.  In three dimensonal space such as in grain jars or bulk substrates, the effects of thermogenesis need to be considered, so ambient temps should be lowered slightly to compensate.
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Under your logic of 5F warmer in a jar the best colonisation temps are 70-76.





@OP I'm so confused. You didn't mix the spawn in? You poured it on top of 3 inches of substrate and added a half inch of cvg on top? Damn.. Definitely need to mix it in..


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