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#22493531 - 11/07/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I note a fair bit of 'reality creation' going on, depending on what my mind is doing. Interesting, that is, but obviously I don't create everything...
Out there or in here? Seems it is 'in here'.
But it hurts to assert that I know anything, despite noticing my state is the state of the world.
Also despite noticing we are some kind of mental image of our internal state, that certainly life has more in common with a dream than with materialism or positivism.
Like, it really HURTS me to be sure of anything, makes me sore in the chest and depressed.
If I acknowledge the sheer mystery of things I wonder if I'm being naive or hopeful. Or I wonder if others will think I'm being stupid.
But it begs at me - life, a living mystery, with doors, and parallels (if you smoke DMT).
What a circumstance we find ourselves in...
Well. I'll choose to see it as a mystery, for now, that my immediate experience is a pure mystery. If I get laughed at it's all Shroomery's fault for putting me up to it, ...somehow...
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: circastes]
#22493647 - 11/08/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wait I cheered up now everything makes perfect sense.
Ah jeez.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: circastes]
#22499952 - 11/09/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I acknowledge the sheer mystery of things I wonder if I'm being naive or hopeful.
I feel that that may just be honesty. Nothing stupid about it.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: circastes]
#22503053 - 11/09/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your question is unanswerable.
By the way, is DMT hard to come by? I kthink I recall that at one point you could buy extractions online. Are those days gone forever?
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: champinhom]
#22503072 - 11/09/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess it depends who you know. A friend of a friend gets it every now and then but who knows what spaced out crazy people he has to deal with lol. I got it from him.
I think you'd have to be in Portugal or Netherlands to get people to actually ship DMT to you. You might get DMT-containing plants from certain shops in your area, I don't know, and then the extraction isn't supposed to be too hard. Furthermore you could get the plant from your local woods if you research and figure out what you're doing.
Such a strange experience... it's like reality is one big setup.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: circastes]
#22503264 - 11/10/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Such a strange experience... it's like reality is one big setup.
Maybe your best bet is to approach the question as though it were a Zen koan. Sit with it until some kind of satisfactory answer arises. Or, if you are the analytical type, think about it from every angle you can and see what comes of that.A lot of very smart people over the centuries have written on the suject of reality. Maybe reading a few or many of their books might point the way. One guy I like to listen to on the ultimate nature of things is Peter Brown. He has a number of clips on Youtube you might find helpful.
Of course DMT, psilocybin, LSD can be useful too, especially--maybe only-- in the intial stage of the inquiry.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: champinhom]
#22507029 - 11/10/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: champinhom]
#22507034 - 11/10/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Row row row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily merrily merrily, life is but a dream..
Life is definitely more dreamlike than anything else. Lately I have found myself deteriorating as an individual, sometimes rather sharply. I can't help but notice parallels in the state of world order. Things have been getting ever more chaotic.
But are they? Or am I just projecting my internal experiences onto the world? I feel strange and awful so the world becomes ever more strange and depressing to me. Am I in control of the world with my thoughts? Or am I powerless to the whims of the world? Is it somewhere in between? Or is it both?
I think the best we can do is try to effect positive change while enjoying the ride. In my experience sometimes thinking about things can drive you crazy if you aren't really grounded.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: halo]
#22507110 - 11/10/15 09:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks, that was an interesting comment.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: circastes]
#22508065 - 11/11/15 06:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sometimes you just know.
The gut/heart is never wrong.
What can get things mixed up is our brain with all its cognitive programming sillyness.
So my question becomes...can you trust the brains interpretation of the gut?
Depends on the individual. Experience may vary!
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: Universaleyeni]
#22514559 - 11/12/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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To be peaceful is true..and that all falsehood is understood and known..will end the tyranny of ignorance!
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: BrendanFlock]
#22514677 - 11/12/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's all about your perception, that's what we're supposed to do, is change our perception... enhance it and cultivate 'higher states', or 'unlock' these higher states. It has something to do with your understanding of life. About the flow of things. Can you see through the culture? Can you see through your own anger, or immaturity? What do you understand about this circumstance? --- work it out, work it out. There is much to be understood, and if you 'understand' one 'level', you are permitted to the next. Or else, the changes may be purely unknown or uncharted aspects of the mind, that you can somehow activate other perceptual vistas through sheer will.
 
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: circastes]
#22514961 - 11/12/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find it hard to be sure about things, especially the possibility of energies or the metaphysical. I feel it and want to understand but i am at a block
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Re: So... still no one has any idea [Re: circastes]
#22521846 - 11/14/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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In contradistinction to your signature, "We must all try to understand what is happening," when it comes to The Mystery, we must try to be compassionate. Understanding 'It All' is just not possible despite my own 40 years of trying. As Yoda said to Luke Skywalker, "Do or not do, there is no try." In hypnotherapy, one does not say "try." The concept try guarantees failure since it creates an immeasurable margin for failure with the excuse, "At least I tried." The Mystery is what I have come to refer to Ultimate Reality as, when I am not communicating with it in prayer. To pray, one needs to surrender to It. It cannot be understood, it can only be approached by being 'understanding' (empathic, compassionate), even to oneself, to one's utter failure to comprehend anything in the face of it. We want to taste the sweetness, but the truth is we have to become the sweetness - for others. Foolish it is to attempt to understand The Mystery. The Mystery it will always be. As Socrates is quoted as having said, "I know that I know nothing." It is a Gnostic paradox.
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Hm well I guess in my defense it's another Terence McKenna quote His message was basically that.
That's an interesting idea, that the mystery reigns supreme and always will be.
I guess I chose the quote because I see some "intellectual unfolding" in life. Especially, since, and I hate claiming it because it's so crazy in the context of common sense, but that I am caught in some kind of "open door" where reality is changing very rapidly depending upon my internal state. I say it's some door, despite it being cliche, because I seem to have pushed so hard in my search for secrets that they have laid themselves upon me.
That's another thing McKenna said, that the way to finding the secrets is simply to earnestly seek.
But yes, something is certainly up, and it is certainly all a mystery, but I go a bit further and say it is LITERALLY a mystery, or deliberately contrived construct, of some kind, with doors, levels, "keys" (more McKenna... heh I know you don't really value him, I remember from another thread) and I commit myself to exploring it all, and I guess I'm trying to encourage this behaviour.
After all, if this is a construct, if there are levels, surely only good can come of 'solving' it all, and the more of us solve things, the better, I guess, life will be for all of us... somehow.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: circastes]
#22526785 - 11/15/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Any idea about what this is, will never be a completely accurate reflection of what is, as it's only an idea, an interpretation.
Admitting that your mind can't contain it, that to your current mindset/identity it's a mystery is great as it opens up the mind. Although whatever this is, ultimately isn't even a mystery... believing the thought that it's a mystery, is also just another idea and a new belief about it, when the importance of seeing that it's a mystery is that no thoughts or beliefs can capture it.
Really it's not distant, elusive and mysterious, it's ever present and the essence of our very self.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea "what this is"? [Re: Swarupa]
#22526879 - 11/15/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can dig that perspective.
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Re: So... still no one has any idea [Re: circastes]
#22527426 - 11/15/15 12:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I enjoyed reading Terrence McKenna's books. I think I have all of them, underlined and with margin notes. I probably did register some dismay about some of his more metaphysical assumptions, like human-produced sound mimicking sounds he heard in radically altered states from a source which he interpreted was trans-dimensional or extraterrestrial or whatever, that he thought could effect an evolution in DNA, etc., etc. Terrence was very much the showman, the entertainer, much like Tim Leary was. I don't think I ever denied that there was value in McKenna's contribution to psychedelic culture. Sometimes I can be too critical, like when he misidentified a piece of alchemical apparatus on a video about alchemy, but he was an ardent seeker even if our personality types are different. I respect his success in publishing books, and in securing an endorsement from Jerry Garcia on one.
Ultimately, Reality is a Transcendental Reality. Even if one cannot grok metaphysical speculations, there are mathematical concepts like 'transcendental numbers,' (like Pi) which use the term, and which involve the concept of Infinity. The Infinite is an abstract concept that represents other aspects of mind which is why Set Theorist Georg Cantor devised the term Transfinite to distinguish the mathematical use from non-mathematical uses (none of which I will even pretend to fathom). Inasmuch as the word Transcendental means 'going beyond,' Wiki's article on the subject harkens back to philosopher Immanuel Kant who asserted that consciousness embodies a transcendental dimension:
"In modern philosophy, Kant introduced a new term — transcendental,...In his theory of knowledge, this concept is concerned with the conditions of possibility of knowledge itself. He also opposed the term transcendental to the term transcendent, the latter meaning "that, which goes beyond" (transcends) any possible knowledge of a human being. For him transcendental meant knowledge about our cognitive faculty with regard to how objects are possible a priori. "I call all knowledge transcendental if it is occupied, not with objects, but with the way that we can possibly know objects even before we experience them." He also equated transcendental with that which is "...in respect of the subject's faculty of cognition." Something is transcendental if it plays a role in the way in which the mind "constitutes" objects and makes it possible for us to experience them as objects in the first place. Ordinary knowledge is knowledge of objects; transcendental knowledge is knowledge of how it is possible for us to experience those objects as objects. This is based on Kant's acceptance of David Hume's argument that certain general features of objects (e.g. persistence, causal relationships) cannot derive from the sense impressions we have of them. Kant argues that the mind must contribute those features and make it possible for us to experience objects as objects. In the central part of his Critique of Pure Reason, the "Transcendental Deduction of the Categories", Kant argues for a deep interconnection between the ability to have self-consciousness and the ability to experience a world of objects. Through a process of synthesis, the mind generates both the structure of objects and its own unity." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendence_(philosophy)
The ever-receding horizon of the very universe, and its origin seemingly ex nihilo (out of nothing) both necessarily require Transcendental Dimensions, since space-time is Transcended by The Mystery from which space-time emerged, and whatever constitutes the Boundary into which the universe is expanding is also a Transcendental Reality, if there is no 'other side' to that Boundary, not even space. Non-existence does not mean nothing however. It is perhaps pure potentiality prior to actuality, a formless Infinity that is prior to Being, Unmanifest Ultimate Reality. Obviously, manifest self-consciousness cannot comprehend a reality that is unmanifest. It utterly transcends human self-consciousness and hence remains Mystery.
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To keep my reply short, reality seems to be mostly inside ones own mind while simultaneously being affected by varying degrees of stimuli from the outside world/reality(ies)
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Re: So... still no one has any idea [Re: iTripp]
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Except that Mind is not extended in space or time, so it is not our possession. Mind is not 'contained' like a substance within spacio-temporal boundaries of neurons, or the skull. So all you've done was point to an inward direction, a neurological human locus that can experience its spacio-temporal existence, but not to Ultimate Reality Itself. That Experience necessitates a temporary suspension of spacio-temporal boundaries - ego-death - the temporary cessation of a noetic point as separate from the fabric of space-time.
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