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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23290112 - 05/30/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: it's common knowledge that weed can be more intense than mushrooms or acid
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: DMTraveler]
#23290151 - 05/30/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lmfao yes....1 gram of shrooms is not intense at all yet is still infinitely more powerful than anything weed could do even though weed could obviously give you a more "intense" high or experience.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23290181 - 05/30/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude you just said the exact opposite of what you said in what I quoted
You keep talking in circles, make up your mind
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: DMTraveler]
#23290191 - 05/30/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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How was it the exact opposite? Lol what?
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23290386 - 05/31/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: How was it similar to shrooms though? Just because they both give psychedelic effects doesn't mean they're comparable..why shrooms? Why not LSD? I don't see any relationship between THC and the shroom headspace I really don't. That's like comparing weed to Iboga.
I even found salvia and acid to be more comparable to weed than the fungus. Shrooms is just too different and too unique. And in average to high doses mushrooms become just about the most preeminent entheogen/psychedelic I can think of.
And no weed is not anywhere near as psychedelic as mushrooms. Weed isn't even as psychedelic as the 2Cs so how are you gonna say it's anything close to the tryptamines especially psilocybin? Psilocybin isn't even anywhere close to being an "average psychedelic" people treat it like it's an average psychedelic even though it's the least average and probably the second or third most powerful and alien.
The experiences are personal and subjective therefore I cannot speak for anyone but myself (just like you cannot speak for anyone else but yourself regarding your own personal experiences).
I believe that all-in-all it has to do with the drastic shift in conscious perception (the psychedelic effects). One minute I'm sober, next after hitting the bong or vape I'm coming up very quickly to a full blown psychedelic head space. It can be terrifying and confusing if you aren't prepared for it - similar to DMT.
Yes, shrooms are not weed and the effects overall aren't exactly the same however the effects are similar in that they're both psychedelic and can bring up your "true" self, which was my point. For someone who had only done a few shroom trips and barely smoked weed, the effects would be overwhelmingly too psychedelic for me to tell the difference.
My sensitivity and low tolerance also played a major part. Weed for me was intensely psychedelic and in a weed trip I would be almost certain the effects were shroom-like - until I did a shroom trip again to be reminded they aren't exactly the same.
From what I hear, see and read about how others talk about weed it sounded a lot weaker than the way it effected me. Personally I think most people get a mild high from weed compared to myself. I do prefer shrooms though I as I find the effects more "holistic" and more "friendly". Weed I find doesn't "hold your hand" like shrooms does, a bad weed trip can be very difficult to recover from whereas on shrooms you always come back to yourself.
They are both different and have different purposes I believe, weed should definitely be more respected and be used more moderately compared to how most people currently use it. People with underlying psychological issues will definitely get mentally burnt by weed if not used with caution.
Cannabis is the future of medicine.
Shrooms is the future of religion.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23290391 - 05/31/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is your definition of intense in this context?
What is your definition of powerful in this context?
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: Supachopped719]
#23291346 - 05/31/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Intensity is how crazy and intense a drug feels at that moment, it's mind-blowing that I even have to explain this.
Power is how deep that drug takes you and it doesn't have to feel intense at all. So low doses of LSD aren't intense but they're still VERY powerful more powerful than most drugs in what they do to the mind.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23291360 - 05/31/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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So by power you mean spiritual significance and by intensity you mean how likely it is to overwhelm somebody?
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23291372 - 05/31/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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With zero tolerance, your first time smoking THC should be a minor psychedelic experience, may accompany audio and visual hallucinations/distortions. It can have similar effects the first few times and the euphoria can be matched in low doses of mushrooms.
They both have the same natural feeling as they have no side effects or downfalls with moderated use, but the mushroom experience is different from the marijuana experience. And high doses of each don't compare.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23291392 - 05/31/16 09:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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No side effects with moderate use?
Mushrooms cause nausea, muscle tension, frequent urination, trouble urinating, feeling really cold even when it is warm outside, loss of apetite, they prevent you from sleeping, ect.
They both cause anxiety
Weed can burn you out even with small ammounts, it impairs memory for the duration of the high (even longer in you abuse it),
Both drugs have many side effects co pared to other drugs.
Btw maybe not all of you get these but i do.
Edited by BANANA.MAN (05/31/16 09:10 AM)
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: Shivara]
#23291399 - 05/31/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I think mushrooms are the future of medicine too but anyways I'm not just basing this off my own personal experience so just letting you know that. I almost never do that actually.
I don't think weed shows you your true self either. Maybe it's because my true self is always being shown to me anyways but it doesn't seem like weed really changes that.
I still don't find it even remotely comparable to mushrooms, like I said to me mushrooms is just as much of a crazy shamanic thing as Ayahuasca or Iboga. It's that serious, to me shrooms are very comparable to just those crazy ass jungle drugs or some kind of exotic entheogen whereas weed is just a mundane herbal entheogen that is very limited. They couldn't be more different and the hallucinogenic effects from weed even though they are hallucinogenic I still don't find them to be anywhere near the same kind of hallucinogenic. In fact weed has been shown not to just have psychedelic properties but dissocative and deliriant properties as well. This is why Id rather compare it to salvia.
I mean shrooms changed my entire view on everything so by default my weed trips are kind of "shroom-like" but so is everything else about life since doing them....and I still find weed to be MUCH more LSD-like than shroom-like and LSD has had a MUCH more direct effect on the way THC effects me.
Weed has always effected me pretty strongly too. It seriously used to give me visuals back when I first started that seemed like salvia but mushrooms are just waaay too otherworldly and alien to compare. Way too shamanic and sacred feeling. I think weed effects nearly everyone in a more psychedelic way than they like to admit. I think the only thing that keeps them from admitting it is afraid of sounding weird.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (05/31/16 10:08 AM)
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23291406 - 05/31/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: So by power you mean spiritual significance and by intensity you mean how likely it is to overwhelm somebody?
Well your right on with the intensity that's basically it ya but I don't think power really relates to spiritual significance solely but I do think it has a part in that. Just how much something can flip your mind. Idk hard to explain really.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23291530 - 05/31/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those are effects of the drug itself, and may very well be psychosomatic. I wouldn't call them "side effects" as it generally is included in every experience, you could say the tiredness of THC is a side effect in that case, I was referring to long term side effects, or even immediate detrimental effects to your health, you can't die from overdosing is what I'm saying, its a natural benign substance, and you feel it leave and work with your body in a natural way, there's no physical residual shit that goes on, and no negative long lasting feelings from the substances with moderate use and even in some cases of abuse.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: Eclipse3130]
#23291762 - 05/31/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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It wouldnt be a side effect if you took shrooms to get nausea, tense muscles and to prevent you from sleeping, but people dont. Because to me side effect means any effect of the drug that isnt the reason you took the drug. To me an effect doesnt need to be long term or negitive to be considered a side effect.
I see what you mean now though. Just that they arent very harmful at all.
Also they arent psychosomatic they are the effects of activated serotonin receptors.
Edited by BANANA.MAN (05/31/16 11:06 AM)
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23291788 - 05/31/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: So by power you mean spiritual significance and by intensity you mean how likely it is to overwhelm somebody?
Well your right on with the intensity that's basically it ya but I don't think power really relates to spiritual significance solely but I do think it has a part in that. Just how much something can flip your mind. Idk hard to explain really.
By spiritual i dont necessarily mean religious, just that it has an impact on you as a person.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23291829 - 05/31/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh well I don't consider that spiritual lol. When I ay spiritual I literally mean relating to the spirit. I don't consider other big events in life that shape me as a person as being "spiritual" even though in some strange sense they are spiritual and really everything kind of is but in relation to everything else they don't stick out as being unusually "spiritual" like the tryptamine psychedelics.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23291838 - 05/31/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh true. I consider anything that has a large impact on your life to have spiritual significance.
Like its just a word i use for it because there are no other words that i know of, it does confuse alot of people though. Some people think im talking about supernatural things.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23291944 - 05/31/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya I mean I would just call it life changing or even 'profound' not spiritual. I mean they say "spiritual" can mean many different things but that's really only partially true, it really just mostly refers to having to do with the spirit or I guess you could say "the supernatural"
For me spiritual experiences are life changing but life changing experiences aren't spiritual
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23292237 - 05/31/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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We have 2 totally different definitions of spiritual then.
But what i dont get is that you say the spirit like its an acctual thing. What us your definition of spirit?
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AuroraBorealis88 said:it really just mostly refers to having to do with the spirit or I guess you could say "the supernatural"
I definitely dont mean supernatural when i say spiritual so if you see me post about spirituality in the future remember this.
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Re: Weed vs. Shrooms (Analytic Thought Patterns) [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23292254 - 05/31/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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I definitely dont mean supernatural when i say spiritual so if you see me post about spirituality in the future remember this.
Ha ok it's just that it's kind of confusing and would probably work better with a different word because most of the time it is used to refer to supernatural phenomenon.
Also spirit is not a physical thing at least according to it's definition and basically means your soul I guess but the definition of 'soulful' is different from 'spiritual'. Just based on what the definitions are though.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (05/31/16 01:30 PM)
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