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Fearlessness
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5-meo-dmt vs Iboga/Ibogaine
#22492295 - 11/07/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I want to get some opinions on these two substances 5-meo-dmt and Iboga/ibogaine. These are the only two substances i would consider trying to improve my outlook on life and grow as a person. I want to be able to forgive and love myself again and be able to forgive some other people in my life. Also some clear answers to some questions i have would be a nice bonus. I know this may sound corny but whatever.
Anyways, in your experience which substance would be best for this scenario?
I have read 5-meo-dmt is like merging with "the light" and most people recognize it as God, or the source of everything. 5-meo-dmt is in line with my own personal beliefs that God is everything. Also people seem to release the baggage that thwy have been carrying around in an instant.
They say Iboga is like accessing your soul that has access to infinite knowledge and you can get answers to specific questions.
I would like to try both of them at some point, but im thinking Iboga might really jumpstart my journey in the right direction.
Also i have had pychosis from smoking weed a few years ago which has manifested as OCD (obsessive compulsive thoughts) Anxiety, and Depression. I have been on a journey to get rid of all these symptoms.
What are your thoughts?
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SleepyE
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i agree with your beliefs on everything being god, actually wrote a trip report about that on my first level 5 experience on shrooms, the one on my sig.
I have ocd too but had it before i started doing anything so i cant tell you but mushrooms gave me relief from intrusive thoughts, and i only had to use it like once every 2 months or so,
but ive gotten better at ridding intrusive thoughts through experience so its all good on my end.
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Re: 5-meo-dmt vs Iboga/Ibogaine [Re: SleepyE]
#22492640 - 11/07/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys. You can harness those OCD for shrooms cultivation. Hehehe.
I been trying to find those 2 substances for about 5 years now to no avail. Not that I been hunting hard... its just so hard to come by especially in my country. ..
Ibogaine is a very interesting substance. . I've heard you will also enter the perspective of all the people you ever hurt in your life. ..I'd like to see that, yessir!
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Re: 5-meo-dmt vs Iboga/Ibogaine [Re: SleepyE]
#22492678 - 11/07/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats interesting and good to know, how much mushrooms did you take? I thought about giving mushrooms a try but i dont want to grow them and break the law and have to worry about that. If i do iboga ill be someplace where its legal. With 5-meo-dmt it doesnt last long so im not too woried about that. I would also consider trying DMT but 5meo seems to be the better of the two, as far as the benefits. It seems people dont get a whole lot out of DMT to integrate into their lives.
Edited by Fearlessness (11/07/15 07:49 PM)
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Taking Iboga or 5-MeO-DMT before you've tried mushrooms is like trying to fly a fighter jet before you can drive a car. I highly recommend starting with more forgiving substances like mushrooms and LSD and working your way up slowly, especially for someone that has or has had a mental condition like OCD or depression.
If you take psychedelics in an attempt to reaffirm your own beliefs, it probably won't work out well for you. Psychedelics are about opening your mind and perceiving things in new ways, not boxing yourself in further, even if you happen to be right.
Also, 5-MeO-DMT is considered almost universally to be a far more difficult experience to understand and integrate than standard DMT. DMT may be a bizarre and otherworldly experience, but your brain at least makes some attempt to rationalize it, unlike the explosion of unformatted data that 5-MeO provides. 5-MeO is a fascinating experience, but I doubt that anyone would be able to glean any useful information from it.
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Re: 5-meo-dmt vs Iboga/Ibogaine [Re: Starless]
#22493134 - 11/07/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's always good to test the waters first.
'It seems people dont get a whole lot out of DMT to integrate into their lives.'
It depends on the people taking it if they REALLY wanna have a positive change in their lives... its not about DMT. Or any substances to that effect... its about how serious you are to make that change...
Starless has a very very sound advice in here too. Take that in.
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5 MeO-DMT is most definitely not the better of the two, nor is it one that has a reputation for sparking life changes. n,n-DMT is far more full of light & beauty, and more memorable, as well as easier to integrate than 5 MeO-DMT. The 5 MeO is just a rocket ship to nowhere really. Powerful rush -> everything shatters at the atomic level at rocket fast speed -> continued shattering/exploding -> amnesia -> drift back down wondering what the fuck just happened. I'm glad I tried it, but it's got nothing on n,n-DMT. Vaporized DMT leaves quite the impression, but it's not exactly the substance/ROA I'd think of in regards to major life changes either though. Oral DMT + MAOI on the other hand has a pretty storied reputation for catalyzing that. As does ibogaine. But mushrooms, LSD, mescaline, etc....they all do as well. Really any deeply introspective substance can. But they're merely catalysts. You still have to do the work, or nothing will change.
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ibogaine is no picnic either as a little web searching will show. It definitely should not be used with out some background info.
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Re: 5-meo-dmt vs Iboga/Ibogaine [Re: Starless]
#22503200 - 11/10/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Starless said: Taking Iboga or 5-MeO-DMT before you've tried mushrooms is like trying to fly a fighter jet before you can drive a car. I highly recommend starting with more forgiving substances like mushrooms and LSD and working your way up slowly, especially for someone that has or has had a mental condition like OCD or depression.
While most people say that Iboga is the strongest of all, my understanding is that the dissociation that is present allows the user to see underlying behavioral patters, fears, past traumas etc. in a way that is confronting but also gentle because it's as if your looking at it without any emotionally attached feelings, or without energizing the feelings. Hope that makes sense. Iboga seems to be vastly superior to any other substances at getting to the root of problems and healing the issue, or at least setting the path for the person to follow.
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If you take psychedelics in an attempt to reaffirm your own beliefs, it probably won't work out well for you. Psychedelics are about opening your mind and perceiving things in new ways, not boxing yourself in further, even if you happen to be right.
I am not approaching it like that, I am open minded and open to change. Hell I'm always changing my mind about my beliefs, but to me the belief that God is everything really resonates to the core.
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Also, 5-MeO-DMT is considered almost universally to be a far more difficult experience to understand and integrate than standard DMT. DMT may be a bizarre and otherworldly experience, but your brain at least makes some attempt to rationalize it, unlike the explosion of unformatted data that 5-MeO provides. 5-MeO is a fascinating experience, but I doubt that anyone would be able to glean any useful information from it.
5-meo-dmt seems to only have three reactions: 1. Existential Terror,2. Absolute Bliss, Merging with Source/God/White Light 3. No memory of the experience. I think most of it has to do with finding the right dose. I have been reading Tryptamine Palace. Can you go into more detail about your experience with 5-meo?
Edited by Fearlessness (11/11/15 05:52 PM)
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No drug .... Let me repeat that...no drug will do for you what you are asking it to do. It just doesn't work that way. If you want to change your outlook and grow as a person you are going to have to do a lot more than take some illegal psychedelic. In fact, if you get caught with either the change you can look forward to is what the world looks like from within a jail cell.
I strongly advise you identify the source of your present discontent with your life and address it directly through some action rather than some drug. Personal growth should be your first priority. Contentedness with your career, personal relationships, education.. Recreational drugs should only follow the achievement of that contendedness, not precede it...and they certainly won't magically make you content with who you are or where you are at when it is absent.
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Edited by Nature Boy (11/10/15 01:03 AM)
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Re: 5-meo-dmt vs Iboga/Ibogaine [Re: Nature Boy]
#22503356 - 11/10/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: No drug .... Let me repeat that...no drug will do for you what you are asking it to do. It just doesn't work that way. If you want to change your outlook and grow as a person you are going to have to do a lot more than take some illegal psychedelic. In fact, if you get caught with either the change you can look forward to is what the world looks like from within a jail cell.
I realize that. Have you had experience with either of these two substances? Don't you think that psychedelics, as a catalyst for change, can change a person's outlook and help them to grow as a person? Obviously you can't depend on a drug but if you follow up the experience and live what you learn from it I think it can be beneficial in most circumstances, regardless of where you are at in your life.
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I strongly advise you identify the source of your present discontent with your life and address it directly through some action rather than some drug. Personal growth should be your first priority. Contentedness with your career, personal relationships, education.. Recreational drugs should only follow the achievement of that contendedness, not precede it...and they certainly won't magically make you content with who you are or where you are at when it is absent.
I have already identified the source of my discontent to the best of my ability. I agree with you 100%.
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Also in "Tryptamine Palace" James Oroc claims that there is a more gentle and organic nature to the Bufo Alvarius venom than synthetic 5-meo. Anyone feel the same? There seemed to be a lot of people who used the synthetic form of 5-meo and thought it was DMT and overdosed because of it leading to a negative experience. Or simply didn't make accurate measurements with a precise MG scale to find they're personal "release" dose. Supposedly there is a fine line between a potentially blissful or terrifying experience. Most people weren't smart about dosing when 5-meo was legally available and it got a bad rap. With Bufo venom being around 15% 5-meo it is close to dosing regular DMT with the full dose requiring around 80MG or so, making it much harder to overdose.
By the way that is a damn good book.
Edited by Fearlessness (11/10/15 02:30 AM)
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Be VERY, VERY careful with psychedelics obtained from Bufo alvarius. The composition of their venom can change dramatically depending on their the particular specimen, it's diet, season, age, sex, and so many other unknown factors. Add to that the venom is known to contain substances toxic to cardiac muscle which can result in fatal arrhythmias - also in an unknown percentage which probably also varies significantly from specimen to specimen...and you have a recipe for disaster. One member is suspected to have died from a very ill-conceived extraction of a whole animal, his former pet.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18572811
As between the two, the Iboga (plant source) is by far the safer of the two. There's a good reason that vaporizing toad venom is NOT a common thing in the psychedelic community. I suggest you take that as strong evidence that it is not a good source for 5-meo-DMT. Why not just get some n.n.-DMT freebase and have a safe, beautiful experience that may renew your sense of wonder in the world?
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Re: 5-meo-dmt vs Iboga/Ibogaine [Re: Nature Boy]
#22503624 - 11/10/15 05:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe 15% is the highest recorded percentage of 5-meo in the Bufo A. so all one would need to do is mix the venom proportionally and calculate 15% as max, and if it isn't quite that potent then increase the dose with that particular milking batch. There is a doctor from Mexico that smoked as much as 250mg of venom with no ill effect. A lot of research has been going on quietly with toad medicine.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr7AQJkuTsQ
As well as Dr. Octavio Retig who has administered Bufo A. venom in over 6000 ceremonies presumably without I'll effect. Smoking is apparently the only safe ROA with venom due to the toxins that are rendered inactive when burned.
Also Martin Ball is a big proponent of 5-meo, this is a really interesting talk.
And that's crazy to perform an extraction on a dead toad, I really hope that was just a troll thread and the person didn't die.
I think toad venom is not common for a few reasons: First because 5-meo got a bad rap because people who were irresponsible with pure 5-meo. Second because people aren't willing to care for an expensive toad and the costs thereof. And lastly the misunderstanding that it's toxic, which when smoked it is not. Not to mention it's considered the most powerful of all entheogens. James Oroc claims it is the only true entheogen, in the sense that it literally generates God within when done correctly.
I'm thinking about trying nn-DMT for sure.
Edited by Fearlessness (11/10/15 05:54 AM)
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SleepyE
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psychedelics can inspire you to change your world but still is no substitute for actual work. Still i believe its better to have access to the space then to not, it definitely can give you advantages in a lot of things. but those advantages are sometimes dependent on how powerful of a psychedelic you have. So its best to opt for the lamborghini 
i know psychedelics have made me more competitive which i consider to be an important attribute.
anyways, my 2 cents
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Edited by SleepyE (11/10/15 06:04 AM)
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Well, you sound well-informed, so that's a big plus. My personal policy is to never help nor hinder a person when it comes to self-medicating with any psychotropic medication. Since you seem to have a full appreciation for what you are proposing to do, I have no further information to offer nor opinion on the subject that I have not already expressed. You may wish to search for my posts on the (very few) experiences I've written about on bufotenine from plant sources. Let me know if you can't find them and wish to read them.
Do keep us informed of your decisions and rationale for same. Good luck, and no matter what, be safe!
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