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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Ifishhigh]
#22527865 - 11/15/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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uhhhh its all about set and setting and dosage. if you have semi potent cubes i would say go for 2-2.5 grams and that should be enough to have a full on trip without it being super overwhelming
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Achillita]
#22527872 - 11/15/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Achillita said: I love salvia, but they're 2 very different beasts. Freaking out on mushrooms is more of a prolonged problem, but I think you'd be fine. You just gotta be smart about it.
Mushroom freakouts are mostly emotional for me, that salvia trip left me not only mentally drained but physically as well, i just straight up felt violated and groggy. id probably try it again though, it's been like 3 years
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Ifishhigh]
#22532393 - 11/16/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: HanZ thanks for the tips. I went into it without any research or knowing at all what would happen. I think I would try again in the darkness with your other suggestions. I really hope my mushrooms grow out as well. There not looking to promising . I might have to try again. Lastly if anyone reads this. Would a negative mushroom trip be crazy like the salvia trip ? Or again it's probably totally different all together. I'll stop comparing. Basically what I'm asking is if I can handle a salvia trip and I'm not scared to do it again , will I be fine handling a mushroom trip ?
Bad mushroom trip will be longer and therefor harder to tackle. Salvia (smoked) lasts a blink of an eye, bad trip will be over before you know it. I recommend having a sitter when smoking loads of salvia, even if you are experienced. I used to smoke salvia alone many times, but once I have burned a large hole in the carpet, the other time (strongest trip) I could have fallen down the stairs.
You may try experimenting with salvia in a quiet environment, possibly with noise screening ear cups.
This is a quick quotation from D. M. Turner's book (you can find it on Erowid):
"The amount of time I spend in the trance, and how high I am upon returning to bodily awareness, varies with each journey. It seems that I am normally pulled out of the trance by some type of sound. At home this may be a car passing by, while out in nature it seems that a bird will chirp or a bug will fly around my head. In most instances, the sound which pulls me out of the trance seems like a distraction which is interfering with the experience. It is not surprising that the Mazatecs recommend that it be done in quiet. There is a tendency for awareness to lock onto individual perceptions during the return phase, and for these perceptions to appear to fill the entire universe. This has been particularly noted by Siebert and myself when music was being played during the trip. The portion of the journey immediately following the trance is often the most intense and leaves the strongest impressions."
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22533820 - 11/16/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info. Very interesting
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22534400 - 11/16/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: HanZ thanks for the tips. I went into it without any research or knowing at all what would happen. I think I would try again in the darkness with your other suggestions. I really hope my mushrooms grow out as well. There not looking to promising . I might have to try again. Lastly if anyone reads this. Would a negative mushroom trip be crazy like the salvia trip ? Or again it's probably totally different all together. I'll stop comparing. Basically what I'm asking is if I can handle a salvia trip and I'm not scared to do it again , will I be fine handling a mushroom trip ?
Bad mushroom trip will be longer and therefor harder to tackle. Salvia (smoked) lasts a blink of an eye, bad trip will be over before you know it. I recommend having a sitter when smoking loads of salvia, even if you are experienced. I used to smoke salvia alone many times, but once I have burned a large hole in the carpet, the other time (strongest trip) I could have fallen down the stairs.
You may try experimenting with salvia in a quiet environment, possibly with noise screening ear cups.
This is a quick quotation from D. M. Turner's book (you can find it on Erowid):
"The amount of time I spend in the trance, and how high I am upon returning to bodily awareness, varies with each journey. It seems that I am normally pulled out of the trance by some type of sound. At home this may be a car passing by, while out in nature it seems that a bird will chirp or a bug will fly around my head. In most instances, the sound which pulls me out of the trance seems like a distraction which is interfering with the experience. It is not surprising that the Mazatecs recommend that it be done in quiet. There is a tendency for awareness to lock onto individual perceptions during the return phase, and for these perceptions to appear to fill the entire universe. This has been particularly noted by Siebert and myself when music was being played during the trip. The portion of the journey immediately following the trance is often the most intense and leaves the strongest impressions."
(especially the underlined sentence)
When you're having a bad mushroom trip you won't be able to even judge time. A minute will seem like eternity. Bad mushrooms trips are really, really fucking bad. My one and only bad trip, which happened to be on mushrooms (aborts & lemon tek to be exact), still haunts me to this day man. I know I'll probably get some shit for saying this but if you're taking a large dose of psychedelics make sure you have some benzos on deck just in case you need to abort trip. I'm not talking about aborting your trip if it just a little difficult and your thoughts get negative here and there. What I'm talking about is in a fight or flight situation. Bon voyage. Safe travelling friend.
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Bigfeely123 said: I know I'll probably get some shit for saying this but if you're taking a large dose of psychedelics make sure you have some benzos on deck just in case you need to abort trip. I'm not talking about aborting your trip if it just a little difficult and your thoughts get negative here and there. What I'm talking about is in a fight or flight situation. Bon voyage. Safe travelling friend.
I never used the emergency break of a train. But being on a train without one would .... feel less wise.
Same with benzos. Never actually had to use them to abort a trip. And I never use them recreationally either. But there's nothing wrong with having them as emergency break. There's a faction that would say you're not a real man, or whatever, if you need benzo backup. I sometimes wonder if they have ever been in a really, really bad trip situation... I'm sure they would take the benzo if I offered it at that point 
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Ifishhigh said: .....Than I looked towards the tv and it sucked me right in. I felt as If I was in the TV....
....It was so powerful I threw the rest out and swore to never do it again. Well here I am now wanting some again.

Salvia is the only psychedelic I know of where people report feeling as if they've merged with or became inanimate objects in the room they're in (or even other parts of the house/building they're in). This seems to be a somewhat common theme with smoked salvia experiences.
First times I heard stories like this I just as it sounds like the ol' cliche tale of someone that "took too much acid and now they think they're a glass of orange juice", or variations of such ...but over the years I've heard and read quite a few different stories of these sorts of occurrences happening from smoked salvia.
Pretty sure I've done salvia less than 8 times, and only once out of those 8 times did I actually have a breakthrough...and that "breakthrough" was the last time I touched it, nearly a decade ago . It was the only "psychedelic" to ever actually kinda 'scare" me , maybe not scare me but it gave me such a "WTF" experience that I never felt an urge to dabble with the stuff again.
It was never anywhere near a pleasant or "fun" experience, quite the contrary...very dysphoric (pins & needles, profusely sweating, strong pulls of gravity and weird pressure sensations across the body) and the epitome of bizarre .....but I still found it to be an interesting experience, though very difficult to bring back/remember or convey much about the experience.
But....In recent times I too have found my self with a curiosity in giving the stuff another go. I'd like to work with plain leaf though, either smoked or taken sublingualy....I've even seen tinctures out there, that seems like it'd be easy to step into the space as deeply or shallow as you'd like. Since the last time I touched the stuff I've had a whole lot more experience with a variety of psychedelics, and have developed an ability to keep a meditative & silent/observant mind, so I think I might be able to "hold on" a little better this next time around with the stuff...er, maybe not .
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MysticMoteToter said: I've smoked Salvia once and i was "controlled/possessed/raped and rooted into by a shadowy tree like entity", everything sounded scratchy/white noise-ish.....
This sounds soooo much like a sleep paralysis experience ...
....And after going through SP well over 100 times, the only thing I can compare salvia to, and I actually find it to be quite reminiscent of, is sleep paralysis. There's a lot of common themes and similar feels between the too in my experience with em' .
DMT also has a lot of parallels to my experiences with SP.
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: openmind]
#22540048 - 11/18/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a brown vial of extract I've been looking at in horror for quite a while, no idea what I should do with it.
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: openmind]
#22540404 - 11/18/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MysticMoteToter said: I've smoked Salvia once and i was "controlled/possessed/raped and rooted into by a shadowy tree like entity", everything sounded scratchy/white noise-ish.....
This sounds soooo much like a sleep paralysis experience ...
....And after going through SP well over 100 times, the only thing I can compare salvia to, and I actually find it to be quite reminiscent of, is sleep paralysis. There's a lot of common themes and similar feels between the too in my experience with em' .
DMT also has a lot of parallels to my experiences with SP.
Sleep paralysis? You have these experiences even without taking any drugs? WTF...
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Ifishhigh]
#22541186 - 11/18/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its still legal in most states, check your local laws
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Hanz]
#22542060 - 11/18/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MysticMoteToter said: I've smoked Salvia once and i was "controlled/possessed/raped and rooted into by a shadowy tree like entity", everything sounded scratchy/white noise-ish.....
This sounds soooo much like a sleep paralysis experience ...
....And after going through SP well over 100 times, the only thing I can compare salvia to, and I actually find it to be quite reminiscent of, is sleep paralysis. There's a lot of common themes and similar feels between the too in my experience with em' .
DMT also has a lot of parallels to my experiences with SP.
Sleep paralysis? You have these experiences even without taking any drugs? WTF...
Hanz.

Some of my experiences with SP, and the related "out of body" phenomena that can happen during/from SP, are indeed on par with and have many parallels with my salvia and DMT experiences....
The presence of and seeing "entities", the auditory and tactile/vibratory aspects, sensations of lifting out of my body, and the general feeling of the "space" that I'm in is all quite similar between my experiences with sleep paralysis, smoked dmt, and salvia.
A lot of my sleep paralysis/astral projection experiences (or what ever one wishes to label these experiences as) that I've typed out, they sound like dmt trips .
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: openmind]
#22542093 - 11/18/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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... typed out..? Are they on the site? Plz link.
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Rebelutionsssss said: I have a brown vial of extract I've been looking at in horror for quite a while, no idea what I should do with it.
You can send it to me and I will make sure that it doesn't go on waste
@openmind Salvia tinctures are bunk shit, do not buy. Unless you want to try and figure out how to make them work? I have read that probably they have a short shelf life and the stuff provided by online shops is out of date and lost potency. The one I tried did nothing, the dosage was like 3-4 drops = STRONG, bullshit. I had the entire vial between me and a mate, held it in our mouths for 20mins or longer, and nothing happened. I felt relaxed, nothing else.
Just smoke a strong extract and merge with objects. I had one proper FULL merge trip, it was my latest trip, and it was AMAZING. Very inspiring. Weak salvia trips suck.
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Hanz]
#22546594 - 11/19/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MysticMoteToter said: I've smoked Salvia once and i was "controlled/possessed/raped and rooted into by a shadowy tree like entity", everything sounded scratchy/white noise-ish.....
This sounds soooo much like a sleep paralysis experience ...
....And after going through SP well over 100 times, the only thing I can compare salvia to, and I actually find it to be quite reminiscent of, is sleep paralysis. There's a lot of common themes and similar feels between the too in my experience with em' .
DMT also has a lot of parallels to my experiences with SP.
Sleep paralysis? You have these experiences even without taking any drugs? WTF...
Hanz.
Sleep paralysis has nothing to do with drugs.
I have gone through a very long period of horrifying sleep paralysis experiences which made me stop experimenting with lucid dreaming and OOBE. I gave up, I couldn't handle this anymore. I wanted some healthy long nights sleep. I feel like I was being put to a test be demons who don't like us entering the astral realm? If it even exists in first place.
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22546859 - 11/19/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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@openmind Salvia tinctures are bunk shit, do not buy. Unless you want to try and figure out how to make them work? I have read that probably they have a short shelf life and the stuff provided by online shops is out of date and lost potency....
Thanks for the heads up. Surely a salvia tincture could work though, since the traditional way of taking salvia is sub-lingual absorption /chewing fresh leaves, I don't see why it wouldn't...But like you mentioned, the reason you didn't feel much of anything could very well be from a short shelf life & an old bottle of the stuff.
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Hanz said: ... typed out..? Are they on the site? Plz link.
Hanz.
I have several typed out on here, but don't want to spend the time searching around and digging them up to post....and I don't want to go way off topic in the thread.
Couldn't find all the ones I wanted to, but here's a few...if you search "sleep paralysis" under my user name here, you'll likely find a bunch of my ramblings on the topic and my experiences with such.
"....Next thing I know I'm being placed on a table in some unfamiliar room and these three feminine-humanoid figures are standing around me, kinda just observing me, they didn't feel threatening at all and I wasn't afraid. I start to feel a sensation as if the table I'm on is spinning, spiraling, and vibrating, while free-falling downward through some sort of hole/tunnel. It becomes rather intense but not frightening (I've felt these same sensations during lots of dreams, sleep paralysis, and some DMT experiences)
Suddenly this feeling of spinning/vibrating & free-falling while strapped to the table stops and the room I'm in is now way more vibrant and alive with deep-dark reds, oranges, and purples washing about....It no longer felt like I was on that table, but rather a disembodied point of awareness trapped within a box of sorts.
Now the three feminine-humanoid things were standing in front of me, from what ever it was I was looking out from, and it totally felt like they were waiting for me to say something...I could feel their anticipation and excitement.....it took me a lot of effort to say something. I forget exactly what I said, and I even remember apologizing for not being able to speak coherently, but they seemed rather disappointed with me....like they went through all this trouble for something and I let them down. "
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"I started to feel the "alert" or first signs/sensations of sleep paralysis occurring. I felt the very distinct presence of a feline walking towards me, once near me it laid into my body, not upon my body but "meshed" into it (that's the best way I can describe it). As the cat was meshed with my body it purred and the purring sent powerful yet soft/graceful and loving vibrations through out me....This purring sensation coming from the cat seemed anchored to the very center of my chest and trickled/radiated through out from there. I experience vibrations rattle through out my "self" during sleep paralysis from time to time, especially when I'm able to relax and not get caught up in the fear that's usually associated with SP....but I've never had anything like this happen, this is actually the first time I've encountered any sort of feline during sleep paralysis.
Shortly after this happening...I saw a native man that was wearing tribal/traditional garb similar to some of the tribes in south America (but this aspect wasn't very distinct/specific). As soon as I saw this man, a large cat (looked like a jaguar if I had to be specific, but this wasn't distinct) came running out from behind him, leaped towards me and swallowed me whole. I've become pretty good at relaxing during SP and within my dreams even when something is about to "kill" me. I felt absolutely no fear as the cat leaped and swallowed me whole, and after this occurred I found my self with nothing but my shallow awareness within in a vibrating void of nothing"
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"..... Middle of sleeping and I started to feel the familiar weird half-awake-heavy/stuck feeling in the body that happens with SP. Very quickly after I made note of what was happening I felt the presence of something move in close to me, the common feeling of something hovering above or sitting on me.
I had the sensation of this thing attacking and trying to "pry" its way into me. I couldn't really do much of anything as much as I tried, as far as pulling my self up/awake, slipping back into deep unaware-sleep, or trying to fight/ignore the shit that was going down. It straight up felt like this thing was trying to get into and speak through me. I was aware enough to slightly hear noise coming out of me and feel my self making noise (vocal vibrations), but had no control over what was happening. Visually I saw this "thing" as a mass/substance of shifting/folding geometric parts, lots of purples, it had an old yet alien-digital feel/vibe to it (such cliche terms, I know). It was evanescent in a way, in appearance, just trying to focus on it and all it's individual parts/shapes (very DMT-esque, as usual with SP). While this was happening I had that overwhelming feeling of being helpless & at the mercy of another, similar to being pinned downed and tickled relentlessly by a cousin as a kid, but amplified and there was no "playing around" about it. The tent I was sleeping in I was sharing with a buddy and he said he did hear me making weird noises for a little while that night. To his ears it was mostly a bunch of moaning and gibbering, with intermittent syntax, like something was trying to be said underneath it all ."
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22546883 - 11/19/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sleep paralysis has nothing to do with drugs.
I have gone through a very long period of horrifying sleep paralysis experiences which made me stop experimenting with lucid dreaming and OOBE. I gave up, I couldn't handle this anymore. I wanted some healthy long nights sleep. I feel like I was being put to a test be demons who don't like us entering the astral realm? If it even exists in first place.
I've never intentionally tried to lucid dream or have sleep paralysis....I started lucid dreaming around 5 years old and have been doing at least once a week for most of my life, and I started to experience sleep paralysis in my later teen years.
While SP by far one of the most frightening, helpless, and mind-fucking things that a person can go through....I'm actually kinda glad I experience it as often as I do, it's a thought provoking and intriguing experience to have.
I've learned to not give into the fear that's usually present or associated with SP. I've learned to identify when it's happening and can remain calm, or snap myself out of it and slip back into sleep, if I wish....Every once in a great while, though, it still gets the best of me and I struggle with it and get a lil' freaked out .
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: openmind]
#22547247 - 11/19/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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During my most recent SP experience I could see/feel both of my legs, in fact their duplicates, floating above the bed. I decided that this is the best OOBE opportunity I ever had and decided to OOBE fully. I started focusing and moving my duplicate body away to the left. I started feeling rapid strong vibrations as the duplicate body started moving away to the left. I then suddenly felt fear. I feared evil entities. I suddenly woke up.
In the past I used to fight invisible entities. It all started when one night I could hear somebody walking into my house and sitting on my side, resting big thick hands on my face. Then many times I would try to turn the light on (switch above my bed) and it wouldn't work. It was all happening in a duplicate reality. But one night after a demon-battle, when I really woke up in the physical realm, the light really didn't work...
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Re: Wrecked for 10 minutes [Re: Dr. Delban]
#22547252 - 11/19/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Back on Salvia topic... I really need to order some... tomorrow!
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