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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #22491576 - 11/07/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

soooo, im good with leds and a T5?


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: blackdust]
    #22491580 - 11/07/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So I should get a better rated timer for a replacement and this shouldn't happen again?


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22491586 - 11/07/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

if you are pulling 30+ amps through a 15 amp breaker, its either going to trip all the time, or cause an electrical fire. :shrug:


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22491589 - 11/07/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Theres a device that plugs into the wall, with a cord that comes out and plugs into a timer on a seperate outlet.  I dont recal the name of it, but I highly recomend you look into such a thing.


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22491604 - 11/07/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Would having everything plugged into a GFCI prevent it?

Now i'm all paranoid about my martha. The power strip has surge protection but its on a non-GFCI outlet with an appropriately rated breaker. :lol:


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Toadstool5] * 1
    #22491621 - 11/07/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Would having everything plugged into a GFCI prevent it?

Now i'm all paranoid about my martha. The power strip has surge protection but its on a non-GFCI outlet with an appropriately rated breaker. :lol:




No.  GFCI plugs are ground fault circuit interrupters.  They flip when the path to ground is interrupted, not when amps are high.  They are there to prevent electrocution, not fire.


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Toadstool5]
    #22491626 - 11/07/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, all of my plugs are in a surge protected power stripp
does that make it safer?


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: blackdust] * 1
    #22491653 - 11/07/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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yeah, all of my plugs are in a surge protected power stripp
does that make it safer?





no. proper wiring and components rated for the load make it safer


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22491671 - 11/07/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

fuck dude
im in a 94' trailer
running on a 20 amp breaker



havnt had the breaker flip since running everything.
still gonna get the kill-a-watt to double check everything


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22491710 - 11/07/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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if you are pulling 30+ amps through a 15 amp breaker, its either going to trip all the time, or cause an electrical fire. :shrug:



I didn't have 30+ amps running...


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22491726 - 11/07/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

do electrical fires give any warning?
like, would the wires get hott first?

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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22491735 - 11/07/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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if you are pulling 30+ amps through a 15 amp breaker, its either going to trip all the time, or cause an electrical fire. :shrug:



I didn't have 30+ amps running...





Right, that is just what they are rated for. 

I am guessing you have a good idea of the problem.  Poor quality timer, chewed wires or both.  Consider a kill-a-watt meter that will show your amps/watts.  Then you can understand your baseline and be informed on how things are.  Otherwise, its easy to go crazy with grow tent automation.  I've spent more time on the sensors and software than my actual tent and plants...  But that is what I like.


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22491745 - 11/07/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

ballsalsa said:
if you are pulling 30+ amps through a 15 amp breaker, its either going to trip all the time, or cause an electrical fire. :shrug:



I didn't have 30+ amps running...





when ballasts start they draw a lot of current, you could certainly have exceeded
the 15 amps the timer claims it's rated for


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22492751 - 11/07/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

timers are bullshit and can easily go faulty being that they're made in china
just set an alarm and turn the shit on around the same time everyday


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #22492830 - 11/07/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What are the dimensions of your tent?

Get a timer that is made for grow equipment, I've heard other stories of equipment that isn't designed for cultivation cycles failing.


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Konyap]
    #22492946 - 11/07/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

New circuit breaker, or new house?

GFCI + AFCI



http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LN74SX4/ref=twister_B00M9WFH46

I'm getting ready to replace all my breakers with these. Better safe...


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22494633 - 11/08/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Basically yes. All so make sure you are not pulling to much trough single breaker/fuse.
One thing that can cause this all so is too thin wiring.
Would check all of those and use either good quality timer, or contactor guided by timer.

Stay safe. Electric fires, no es Bueno.

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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22494654 - 11/08/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Both are 15 amp.

Upon closer inspection it appears a mouse may have chewed the cord plugged into the timer and caused a short out so the power was running through the timer and into the cord about 3" before hitting the fray in the cord and causing the timer to overheat. That make sense?





this is actually how house fires start.

A mouse or rat gets into the walls, finds an electrical wire then chews on it, causing a short.  Then inside the walls catches on fire. Its bad news.

Good thing u were home!!!

As Pris mentioned, get some metal conduit to protect your wiring for the next attempt. Cover as much wiring as u can to prevent mr. Mouse from burning everything down.

Also, keep wiring off the floor if u can.


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: Zombi3]
    #22494710 - 11/08/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You got no luck kid.


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Re: My grow tent just had an electrical fire! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22494711 - 11/08/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Zombi3 said:
Both are 15 amp.

Upon closer inspection it appears a mouse may have chewed the cord plugged into the timer and caused a short out so the power was running through the timer and into the cord about 3" before hitting the fray in the cord and causing the timer to overheat. That make sense?





this is actually how house fires start.





it's one of many reasons when growing, another reason is that people
often overload a circuit and a faulty breaker doesnt trip, another
reason is people without the proper knowledge decide to run their
own wiring and screw some shit up or peple doing retarded shit
especially in older homes such as bypassing a fuse


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