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Is dualism at the root of paranoia? 1
#22490274 - 11/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you have any thoughts on dualism and paranoia?
regression into dualism is not a happy development, for it calls for an enemy. Dualists in a relativistic environment tend to see themselves as surrounded; they become increasingly lonely and alienated. This attitude requires an equally absolutistic rejection of any 'establishment' and can call forth in its defense hate, projection, and denial of all distinctions but one,The tendency ... is toward paranoia.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22491473 - 11/07/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well 'real' paranoia is usually a dopamine imbalance that causes, through the complexity of neurological functioning, the salience of the environment to increase, making almost everything about the subject. It's kinda painful, as it is accompanied by intense anxiety, the burning, depressing kind.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: circastes]
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That's a pretty good definition of it, circastes.
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Dualism is at the root of everything.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22494322 - 11/08/15 05:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Love_spirit said: Do you have any thoughts on dualism and paranoia?
regression into dualism is not a happy development, for it calls for an enemy. Dualists in a relativistic environment tend to see themselves as surrounded; they become increasingly lonely and alienated. This attitude requires an equally absolutistic rejection of any 'establishment' and can call forth in its defense hate, projection, and denial of all distinctions but one,The tendency ... is toward paranoia.
Yes it most definitely is the roots of paranoia. I think the Christian belief system is one of THE most, if not THE most paranoid belief systems, but of course this does not take away from the whole of patriarchal thinking it springs from as being the root cause, because it is via this thinking that dualism comes to its fore.
Having said this, this does not mean we do not have an enemy. Of course we have, and it is the oppression that has taken us over and wants to go global with its insanity (though really it already has done many generations previously).
If say your in school and all of a sudden a bully or bullies are on your case making your life miserable and this affects those you love, they are your enemy. But behind them is the whole field/organization they are facilitated by, the school, and behind the school is the 'education' system itself, and behind that is the system, and behind that its mythology and philosophy. So we always must be aware of the bigger picture and how things are interconnected.
So it is complex, because the very same oppressive system could argue that the reason you feel oppressed 'surrounded, isolated, and increasingly lonely' is because you have a 'dualistic thinking disorder' more than likely needing their freakin toxic DRUGS to restore your 'chemical imbalance' to its rightful order. They are extremely devious!
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz]
#22494418 - 11/08/15 06:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#22495844 - 11/08/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think there is inherently anything wrong with dualism in general.
Yin, yang, Prakti, Purusa, Conventional reality, ultimate reality.
There are a lot of different conceptions.
Western materialism; or the idea which was supposed by Aristotle as pregnant with form, is a bearing of entities in their physical being. If anything, "this" is something in a broad way that we could be more aware of, although what it means is just presence.
But materialism as consumerism, or an obsessive compulsion of the mind, rather than as an awareness, is not healthy.
The formal and cultural change from Aristotle's matter and form, into two subjects, and more blatantly, two substances in Descartes' thought is fundamentally significant to Western materialism.
The substance of a mind, res cogitans, or that open proposition cogito ergo sum, which ascribes a point, an eccentricity, an aperture from internal to external, which of all things can't be doubted, is what Descartes contributed to materialism. Via this aperture, this mental thing, or this theoretical point of what in line of argument is increasingly doubted but "indubitable", matter becomes res extensa. That is, what this existing mind looks to are dimensions on a plane. Hence physical substance, and the calculable determination of phenomena in a matrices of time and space, suggests the "external" and alien physical world not just as material in respect to a form, but as mechanism as such. In Descartes' dualism, the material world becomes mechanical.
To identify with a physical world of deterministic mechanisms is a mistake, as this conceals the world as it is (there is an ascribed meaning of physis as growth, or becoming, which is organic, the sui generis). To identify with mental point of ascription from which these interpretations are based, is no less, also a mistake.
There is nothing wrong with dualism, but the way it unfolds. Historically I would argue in the west, it is an ontology that is void and nullity of its own roots. The way westerners talk about the physical world, whether it is on one side, being effeciently created by some God or ego, or whether it is the westerner simply in formality invoking the mechanism and consequence of nature, determining its truth, this is a disharmony.
It is interesting that in a way, finally we arrived at something like a an exploration of internal awareness, that is like a meditation. Plato and Aristotle, for instance, clearly extrapolated the form of the universe by example in the craftsman's forming of chairs and tables. (Aristotle confirms and hits the nail on the head to say the chair, has its cause externally, not in itself, like the trees rocks and streams, which have their causes in themselves, and are of nature in essence).
What could perhaps be called Descartes' spiritual materialism, is a point in history where Western human beings find relavence of "internal" "mental things", (well just the one, the ego). This throws this same point under ("Subjectum" to throw under) somewhere internal, behind the two eyes, and opens up the world from there, and it is indeed a kind of meditation. Meanwhile the subject we are, has to be reconciled with the subject we study, namely hypokeimenon, the true material world. Hence there is this conflict, between openness of consciousness, the open subject and issue (properly phenomenology) which comes out of previous assumptions and so consciousness becomes a further extrapolation of Western humanity's obsessions.
Westerners find their dualism in radical alteriority, first in the form of craftsman's art and creation, and then as machine, and modern technology. And yet if there was something called looking for consciousness, what if it were just a practice to look for consciousness, and be aware of nature?
Western ontologies just needs to be taken apart. That's all that can be done. They are a disharmony. There is nothing inherently wrong with dualism though. I'd say it happened and happens again and again.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz]
#22502947 - 11/09/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aikido Surprise By Terry Dobson
A major turning point in my life came as an unexpected surprise one day in the middle of a quiet spring afternoon on a sleepy train in the suburbs of Tokyo.
It all started as the old train car was clanking and rattling over the rails. It was comparatively empty – a few housewives with their kids in tow, some old folks out shopping, a couple off-duty bartenders casually glancing through the sports section of the local newspaper. I was gazing absently at the drab houses and dusty hedgerows.
Then as the doors opened at one unremarkable station, the calm afternoon was suddenly shattered. A man on the platform bellowed at the top of his lungs, yelling violent, obscene, incomprehensible curses. Just before the doors closed, the still yelling man staggered into our car.
He was big, drunk and dirty. He wore laborer's clothing. His ragged shirt was stiff with dried vomit, his hair crusted with filth. His bloodshot eyes were bugged out, beaming scorn and hatred to all who caught his glance.
Screaming obscenities, he swung his big fist wildly at the first person he could reach, a scared young woman holding a baby.
The blow glanced off her shoulder, sending her spinning into the laps of an elderly couple. It was a miracle that she was not badly hurt and the baby was unharmed.
As the frightened young woman ducked for cover, protecting her baby, the elderly couple jumped up and scrambled toward the other end of the car. They were terrified.
The big laborer aimed a wobbling kick at the retreating back of the old lady. "You old whore!" he bellowed, ‘I'll kick your ass!" He missed, as the old woman barely scuttled to safety. This so enraged the wretched drunk that he grabbed the metal pole in the center of the car and tried to wrench it out of its stanchion. I could see that one of his hands was cut and bleeding, likely from an earlier scuffle.
The train lurched ahead, the scattered passengers frozen with fear.
I stood up.
I was young then, and in pretty good shape. I stood six feet, weighed 225 and spoke fluent Japanese. I'd been putting in a solid eight hours of Aikido training every day for the past three years. I liked to throw and grapple. I thought I was tough. Trouble was my martial arts skill was untested in actual combat. As students of Aikido, we were not allowed to fight.
My teacher, the founder of Aikido, taught us each morning that the art was devoted to peace. "Aikido," he said again and again, "is the art of reconciliation. Whoever has the mind to fight has broken his connection with the universe. If you try to dominate other people, you are already defeated. In Aikido, we study how to resolve conflict, not how to start it."
I had listened to his words. I tried hard. I wanted to quit fighting. I had even gone so far as to cross the street a few times to avoid the the pinball punks who lounged around the train stations. They'd have been happy to test my martial arts ability.
My forbearance exalted me. I felt both tough and holy. Yet in my heart of hearts, I was still dying to be a hero. A part of me still wanted a chance – an absolutely legitimate and justified opportunity – to save the innocent by destroying the guilty.
'This is it!' I thought to myself, as I stood up tall and proud to confront this menace to society. 'This slob, this cruel animal, is drunk and mean and violent. People are in immediate danger. If I don't do something fast, somebody is going to get hurt. It's time to take his ass to the cleaners.'
Seeing me stand up, the belligerent drunk relished the chance to focus his rage. "Aha!" he roared, "A foreigner! You need a lesson in Japanese manners!" He landed a heavy punch on the metal pole beside him to give weight to his words.
Holding on to the commuter strap overhead, I gave him a slow look of disgust and dismissal. I gave him every bit of pissed-off nastiness I could summon up. I planned to take this filthy turkey apart, but he had to be the one to move first. And I wanted him mad, because the madder he got the more certain my victory. I puckered my lips and blew him a sneering, insolent kiss.
It hit him like a slap in the face. "All right!" he hollered, "You're gonna get a lesson." He gathered himself for a rush at me.
Yet just as he was about to lunge, a single-syllable shout pierced the air.
"Hey!"
The word instantly sliced through the thick intensity of the moment. I was stunned by the strangely joyous, lilting quality of it – as though you and a friend had been searching all over for something important that was lost, and he had suddenly stumbled upon it and loudly shouted to you, "Hey!"
I wheeled to my left; the drunk spun to his right. We both found ourselves staring down at a little old man. He must have been well into his seventies, this tiny gentleman, sitting there immaculate in his kimono. He took no notice of me, but beamed delightedly at the laborer, as though he had a most important, most welcome secret to share.
"C'mere," the old man said in an easy Japanese vernacular, beckoning to the drunk. "C'mere and talk with me." He waved his hand lightly towards the seat next to him.
The big man followed, almost as if on a string. He planted his feet belligerently in front of the old gentleman, and towered threateningly over him.
"Talk to you!" he roared above the clacking wheels, "Why the hell should I talk to you?"
The drunk now had his back to me. If his elbows moved so much as an inch, I'd drop him in his socks.
The old man continued to beam at the laborer. There was not a trace of fear or resentment about him. "What'cha been drinking?" he asked lightly, his eyes sparkling with interest.
"I been drinking sake," the laborer bellowed back. "And it's none of your goddam business!" Flecks of spittle spattered the old man.
"Oh, that's wonderful," the old man said with delight, "absolutely wonderful! You see, I love sake too. Every night, me and my wife – she's 76, you know – we warm up a little bottle of sake and take it out into the garden, and we sit on the old wooden bench that my grandfather's first student made for him. We watch the sun go down, and we look to see how our persimmon tree is doing."
"My grandfather planted that tree, you know, and we worry about whether it will recover from those ice storms we had last winter. Persimmons do not do well after ice storms, although I must say that ours has done rather better than I expected, especially when you consider the poor quality of the soil. Still, it's most gratifying to watch when we take our sake and go out to enjoy the evening – even when it rains!"
He looked up at the laborer, eyes twinkling, happy to share his delightful information.
As the bewildered drunk struggled to follow the intricacies of the old man's conversation, his face began to soften. His shaky fists slowly unclenched. "Yeah," he said slowly, "I love persimmons, too…" His wavering voice trailed off.
"Yes," said the old man, smiling and leaning slightly forward, "and I'm sure you have a wonderful wife."
"No," replied the laborer to this so strangely friendly man in a softer, sullen voice. "My wife... she died last year."
The suddenly changed drunk hung his head in heavy sorrow. Then, gently swaying with the motion of the train, this big, burly man, who was so threatening just a moment ago began to sob. "I don't got no wife. I don't got no home any more. I lost my job. I don't got no money, I don't got nowhere to go. I'm so ashamed of myself." Big tears rolled down his cheeks. A spasm of pure despair rippled through his body.
Above the baggage rack, a brightly colored ad trumpeted the virtues of suburban luxury living.
Now it was my turn. Standing there in my well-scrubbed youthful pride, with my make-this-world-safe-for-democracy righteousness, I suddenly felt dirtier and more ashamed than he was.
Just then, the train arrived at my stop. The platform was packed with bustling humanity. The busy crowd surged into the car as soon the doors opened. Maneuvering my way toward the door, I heard the old man speak sympathetically.
"My, my," he said with heartfelt care, yet undiminished delight. "That is a very difficult predicament, indeed. Sit down here and tell me about it."
I turned my head for one last look before leaving the now-crowded train. The laborer was sprawled like a sack on the seat, his head in the old man's lap. The old man was looking down at him with smiling compassion, his hand stroking the filthy, matted head of this confused soul.
As the train pulled away, I sat down on a bench dazed with all that had just happened. What I had wanted to do with muscle and meanness had been deftly accomplished with but a few kind words.
What I had just witnessed was true Aikido in combat. The essence of it was love, as the founder had always said. I determined then and there to practice this beautiful art with an entirely different spirit. I yearned to be able to move from the heart like this old man in using the deep principles of aikido. Yet it would be a long time before I could fully embody what I had seen on that unforgettable ride.
Note: Terry Dobson was a highly respected Aikido master until the time of his death in 1992. For more on his life and history, click here. Thanks to David Sunfellow, founder of NewHeavenNewEarth, for sending this moving story. And for David's email list, subscribe here.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: laughingdog]
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Could just be the very root of something off..or not right in general.which most people would call fear..or maybe guilt..than there are times when something doesnt go right for you..and you could than say that since my one way sign so to speak..has become bent or broken..i can say that in two pieces the probability wave is likely a single particle of negativity itself...So the very fine red grain of truth..is to the least of things..which is that dualism could suspect that truth and falsehood go hand in hand..or that falsehood removed...would be the one true and holy path..
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: laughingdog]
#22503598 - 11/10/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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that is a lovely powerful story, and what it reminded me of was this Jeremy Kyle show I saw recently. He is like the UK's Jerry Springer-ish. The lad came onto the stage who had a very severe skunk habit, and aggressive temper and his family were really worried about him. Kyle was tough with him at first and the lad just became angry, and even threatened Kyle. Kyle then though instead of his usual confrontational ways went softer, and it was found out that the reason for this lad's habit and his aggressiveness was because his young brother had been run over and killed and he blamed himself for it, because the day it happened he was late to pick him up from school! When this all came out the lad went from anger to sobbing.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz] 1
#22507130 - 11/10/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fear, anxiety, and even paranoia are highly adaptive evolutionary traits that helped our species survive. These traits kept our ancestors alive in ancient times, when a paranoid animal was much more likely to survive than a calm creature. Treating everyone as a potential enemy was probably very advantageous for survival.
Since everyone experiences fear, and since traits are variable in their expression and follow the bell curve distribution, is it possible that who we call "paranoid" are individuals who are on the far end of the spectrum? In somewhat the same way we call hypervigilance "OCD", and hyperactivity "ADHD". Many scientists argue these are not mental illnesses, but a part of the spectrum of human variability. I think many of our concepts of "abnormal" are ignorant.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#22508003 - 11/11/15 04:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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How do you know animals are paranoid like us? true, domesticated animals who are abused, and animals who are victims of torture--called by this fked up culture 'animal vivisection, and testing'--may well be, but I do not think wild animals are. Yes they may fear fear when approached by predators, and be very vigilant, but why do you see this as the same kind of paranoia as humans can have which are mostly delusions.
I think you are anthropomorphizing animals to imagine that paranoia is a natural state. In humans it is due to dualistic fear, like for example a Christian fearing the Devil is out to get them. Animals do not think ridiculous things like that. They are alive, fully aware in the moment.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz]
#22510892 - 11/11/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Many animal species in the wild exhibit constant apprehension and fear, even when they're not being chased.
We don't know what other species experience, but, for example, wild hamsters appear to be incredibly afraid and anxious.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22510984 - 11/11/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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... regression into dualism is not a happy development, for it calls for an enemy. Dualists in a relativistic environment tend to see themselves as surrounded; they become increasingly lonely and alienated.
Having enemies supports the ego in a massive fashion.
Nothing supports the ego more than enemies. Which is why we have many!
Notice how watching a sports game is often boring when we're not "rooting" for one side (the other team = enemy)
Of course politics and religion are ego fuel pumps. The ego is maintained and inflated by creating separation.
Everyone is either a "friend or foe" I assume this is part of what you mean by dualistic fear?
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Many animal species in the wild exhibit constant apprehension and fear, even when they're not being chased.
We don't know what other species experience, but, for example, wild hamsters appear to be incredibly afraid and anxious.
lol, maybe that is how you observe them, and as for the rest, I don't see any becoming psychitric drugs users, or illegal drug users, and staying indoors. There is the drama, and then they get back to eating and playing etc. This is very different from paranoia which is defined as: Quote:
early 19th century: modern Latin, from Greek, from paranoos ‘distracted’, from para ‘irregular’ + noos ‘mind’.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz]
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The hallmarks of paranoia are anxiety and fear, and often includes irrational and delusion thinking. I agree non-human animals probably don't experience irrational or delusional thoughts, although we're making an assumption based on no evidence. If hamsters were people, they'd be diagnosed with ADHD, and prescribed drugs. Imagine trying to get a hamster to sit still through a day of school. Or 15 minutes.
BTW, many nonhuman animals appear to purposely get intoxicated. Beyond cats attraction to getting loaded on catnip, boars, elephants, porcupines, and gorillas have been reported to repeatedly consume the intoxicating, hallucinogenic iboga plant. Siberian reindeer repeatedly eat Amanita muscaria and stagger around, disoriented, with their heads twitching. Chimps will develop a booze or cigarette habit if we let them. There are research studies where lab rats chose cocaine and opiates over food. The drive to get high doesn't appear to be an exclusively human trait.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: Love_spirit]
#22526572 - 11/15/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Love_spirit said: Do you have any thoughts on dualism and paranoia?
regression into dualism is not a happy development, for it calls for an enemy. Dualists in a relativistic environment tend to see themselves as surrounded; they become increasingly lonely and alienated. This attitude requires an equally absolutistic rejection of any 'establishment' and can call forth in its defense hate, projection, and denial of all distinctions but one,The tendency ... is toward paranoia.
another angle on dualism is that it is simply an unfortunate possible byproduct of language, which tends to produce concepts that are arranged in pairs of opposites--you know like: hot and cold--and our tendency to identify with these concepts--especially when it comes to: 'good' and 'bad'. Identification is also facilitated by language, and the verb "to be", as in I AM 'such and such', you"ARE" such and such.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said: The hallmarks of paranoia are anxiety and fear, and often includes irrational and delusion thinking. I agree non-human animals probably don't experience irrational or delusional thoughts, although we're making an assumption based on no evidence. If hamsters were people, they'd be diagnosed with ADHD, and prescribed drugs. Imagine trying to get a hamster to sit still through a day of school. Or 15 minutes.
BTW, many nonhuman animals appear to purposely get intoxicated. Beyond cats attraction to getting loaded on catnip, boars, elephants, porcupines, and gorillas have been reported to repeatedly consume the intoxicating, hallucinogenic iboga plant. Siberian reindeer repeatedly eat Amanita muscaria and stagger around, disoriented, with their heads twitching. Chimps will develop a booze or cigarette habit if we let them. There are research studies where lab rats chose cocaine and opiates over food. The drive to get high doesn't appear to be an exclusively human trait.
I don't agtree with using animals for testing, but this is a very interesting one. They had these rats in a cage and gave them a choice between food and cocaine. They chose the lallter even though it was killing them. However then they were given same choice but this time were given access to a 'rat park' where they could have all kinds of fun. social interaction etc, and they did not want the cocaine! And from this finding it is seen that so-called addiction is not some genetic prone disease, but is more the response to actual physical oppression, and/or psychological oppression! As for animals in the wild going after intoxicants, they do not do so to the point of giving up food and threatening their lives, but more a seasonal thing whereby they choose to experience these states, and if they seek the psychedelics (which I dont see as like regular drugs) it will be for same reasons we do which will include healing. This is how I am seeing it anyhow
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz]
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Duality is a necessity of life. The initial step in reality is existence. Singularity. Being. Consciousness.
The second step is splitting the singularity.this creates observation. This creates subjectivity. The inner and the outer are created. This is necessary for consciousness to contemplate anything that it is not already. This is where imagination comes from.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz]
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I don't agtree with using animals for testing, but this is a very interesting one. They had these rats in a cage and gave them a choice between food and cocaine. They chose the later even though it was killing them. However then they were given same choice but this time were given access to a 'rat park' where they could have all kinds of fun. social interaction etc, and they did not want the cocaine!
I'm reading the book, "The Biology of Desire: Why Addiction is Not a Disease" and the author discussed the rat park, but I haven't gotten that far.
Isolation and addiction do go together. It's the reason support groups or any other method to increasing contact with people helps.
The book talks about how similar addiction is to falling in love, which I find interesting, because I've always viewed my drug addictions as love affairs, and felt an emotional sadness to give up my best friends, my favorite chemicals of choice.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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well let's call them habits, which they are, and you can have a heroin habit, and you can have a shopping habit, or work habit, and they all can be destructive. Now you can have good habits, eg eating an apple everyday is a habit, but it is good for your health. Same with exercise. But some may overdo exercise and it can harm them. But with the hard drugs like heroin, coke, crack etc, you are skating on thin ice
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: nuentoter]
#22532286 - 11/16/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nuentoter said: Duality is a necessity of life. The initial step in reality is existence. Singularity. Being. Consciousness.
The second step is splitting the singularity.this creates observation. This creates subjectivity. The inner and the outer are created. This is necessary for consciousness to contemplate anything that it is not already. This is where imagination comes from.
You are confusing reality which manifests as dynamic processes, like light and dark, good and bad, etc with the psychological conceptual dividing OF this reality into parts whereby it is assumed you can have light without dark, good with out bad, life without death. THAT splitting/dividing by a mindset which then further believes one part is superior and the other inferior is the roots of paranoia, and evil
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz]
#22532319 - 11/16/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think so,I believe they still act the same. The splitting of concepts creates duality in view. This is necessary to explore the idea and concept in full. It's the personal decision to stay with one end of the spectrum that produces paranoia.
Isolation in physical form and isolation in mindset creates paranoia.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Isolation and addiction do go together.
you don't think addicts shoot up together? you don't think members of rock bands get addicted? you think opium dens are solitary? to say nothing of bars... or raves, etc.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: nuentoter]
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Paranoia is not caused by dualism. Paranoia has different meanings. One has to due with drug related incidents, and the other has to do with a disease. Neither is caused by philosophy. The causes would seem to be both chemical, and psychological. The psychological cause might have to do with repressed self hatred/anger or hatred/anger of others -- in either case being projected onto the outside world and then being perceived as an attack. The Childhood experience of feeling the repressed rage between unhappy parents, and being unable to integrate it could also be a cause.
Therapy and reality testing may help.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: zzripz]
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zzripz said: well let's call them habits, which they are, and you can have a heroin habit, and you can have a shopping habit, or work habit, and they all can be destructive. Now you can have good habits, eg eating an apple everyday is a habit, but it is good for your health. Same with exercise. But some may overdo exercise and it can harm them. But with the hard drugs like heroin, coke, crack etc, you are skating on thin ice
I think of a habit as something like biting your nails. Addiction is very similar to obsessions, where there's a repetitive cognitive request for action, that includes anxious anticipation. A habit, such as not going to bed on time, or picking your nose usually doesn't involve a voice in your head requesting action . . . Don't mean to split hairs, but I think the distinction is important. Most people who can't quit an addiction don't recognize the voice that encourages them to engage in the behavior.
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Re: Is dualism at the root of paranoia? [Re: laughingdog]
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Isolation and addiction do go together.
you don't think addicts shoot up together? you don't think members of rock bands get addicted? you think opium dens are solitary? to say nothing of bars... or raves, etc.
Yes, drug addicts come together to use drugs. And yes, there's social interaction between drug addicts. I painted with a broad brush there . . . But addicts often isolate themselves from their loved ones. Addicts will leave their family and children and isolate themselves with their drug using friends.
Isolation and addiction often go hand in hand. Right now, at this moment across the world, there are millions of people using drugs alone, in a room by themselves.
Eating and gambling addictions are often engaged in alone. There's usually a lot of shame in addictions, and this can promote isolation.
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