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Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber.
#22489761 - 11/07/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had my mushrooms in my desiccant chamber for 1 day now and when i went to see how they were doing they felt kind of wet again . like the remaining moisture soaked back to the surface of the mushroom . is this normal?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22489766 - 11/07/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Were they cracker dry before putting in with the desiccant?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22489780 - 11/07/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No they just got done fanning for 2 days but they didnt feel wet they were just bendable (moisture on the inside of the mushroom i assume)
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22489792 - 11/07/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tell me about it I had to throw my first grow away because I couldn't keep them dry. Here its always 70-80 rh and over 90rh at night so its been a nightmare. I just tried drying my silica cat litter in the oven now but if it doesn't work ill have to buy the gel and see how that does. Hope I didn't buy my dehydrator for nothing shit cost me a 100euro
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22489815 - 11/07/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Leatus said: No they just got done fanning for 2 days but they didnt feel wet they were just bendable (moisture on the inside of the mushroom i assume)
They will still lose all their potency that way. I got my first grow cracker dry in the oven and stored them in air tight container with some silica. After a couple of weeks they were just rubbery shrooms with no potency whatsoever. Now I bought a dehydrator since its supposed to be better but I dunno what to do if the silica keeps failing. Maybe I gotta start eating my shrooms an ounce at a time 5 days a week lmao. Would end up in a mental hospital within a few months
Edit; living on a warm small island is not all good. I dont know what its like to live in low humidity lol
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489822 - 11/07/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489825 - 11/07/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You want them most of the way cracker dry before putting into your desiccant chamber. If they bent, there was too much water in them. Trying fan drying them in the oven for a couple of hours to finish them up. Also how is your desiccant chamber set up? You don't want anything covering the desiccant or the mushrooms (filters, paper towerls), preferably just a rack type system to suspend the mush in air above desiccant.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Inocuole]
#22489841 - 11/07/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22489876 - 11/07/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i just switched it out for a larger container filled with about a inch of sillica gel but here is how i had it originally
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489878 - 11/07/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
You didn't do something right then. I had my dehydrator shit out on me and had to dry a few pounds in the over with just fans until they were dry. I didn't have any issues. You have to make sure they're dry before putting in with desiccant. Desiccant is used to capture the last remaining like 2-3% moisture left in the fruits. If you put them in there too wet, and don't get them dry quick enough, ou are gonna have potency loss.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489880 - 11/07/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had great results using a food dehydrator with digital temp setting (Presto brand from walmart) set to 110 degrees for about 8 hours, then putting the shrooms (which by now are about 90% dry)into tupperware container suspended by wire mesh an inch above damp rid for another 8-10 hours.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22489887 - 11/07/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i just switched it out for a larger container filled with about a inch of sillica gel but here is how i had it originally
you might want to use a larger container so you can spread the shrooms out evenly...i don't think it's as effective to pile em on top of each other
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22489888 - 11/07/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I imagine that lid or w/e is filled with holes right?
I broke a metal sieve to make my divider. Worked like a charm after my hands were full of blood bending and cutting it into shape lmao.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22489915 - 11/07/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
You didn't do something right then. I had my dehydrator shit out on me and had to dry a few pounds in the over with just fans until they were dry. I didn't have any issues. You have to make sure they're dry before putting in with desiccant. Desiccant is used to capture the last remaining like 2-3% moisture left in the fruits. If you put them in there too wet, and don't get them dry quick enough, ou are gonna have potency loss.
Thats the thing here its impossible to get them fully dry with a fan because of the high rh. I live on a 300sqkm island so the rh is insane. After I fan dried them for about 48 hours I put them inside the oven and they didnt start to feel cracker dry until an hour or so later. I left them there for another 30 minutes since most people say that unsplit shrooms will still have moisture on the inside. I am pretty sure they were cracker dry when they came out of the oven so my suspicions turned to the silica. My thinking is that they absorbed humidity from the high RH in the room so when I put them inside the container the drier mushrooms absorbed humidity from the silica. It's just a theory as of yet but I guess ill find out tomorrow.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489923 - 11/07/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
Then you did somthing wrong. Drying shouldn't reduce potency especially fan drying then desiccant. IMO fan then desiccant is the best way for not losing any potency
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: crackbaby]
#22489927 - 11/07/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah im trying that now . What time frame do i have to work with? i really dont want rotten shrooms
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22489931 - 11/07/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once cracker dry store them in a safe with a little bag of damprid.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22489952 - 11/07/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
Then you did somthing wrong. Drying shouldn't reduce potency especially fan drying then desiccant. IMO fan then desiccant is the best way for not losing any potency
Read my last post I think you missed it while posting. Theres no way fan drying is enough with the RH in the pic below. It just got dark so it wilk probably be in the 90's later tonight
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: crackbaby]
#22489973 - 11/07/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: I've had great results using a food dehydrator with digital temp setting (Presto brand from walmart) set to 110 degrees for about 8 hours, then putting the shrooms (which by now are about 90% dry)into tupperware container suspended by wire mesh an inch above damp rid for another 8-10 hours.
Why would you do that?
Why not 160 degrees for at least 12 hours, and then not have to worry about changing out the desiccant? Don't understand getting them 90% dry and then making it take longer than it has to.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Inocuole]
#22490025 - 11/07/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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crackbaby said: I've had great results using a food dehydrator with digital temp setting (Presto brand from walmart) set to 110 degrees for about 8 hours, then putting the shrooms (which by now are about 90% dry)into tupperware container suspended by wire mesh an inch above damp rid for another 8-10 hours.
Why would you do that?
Why not 160 degrees for at least 12 hours, and then not have to worry about changing out the desiccant? Don't understand getting them 90% dry and then making it take longer than it has to.
I figure doing it that way exposes da shrooms to a minimum amount of heat to become properly dried...i guess 160 degrees would still be ok, but i've had good results with 110 degrees (maybe i'm a little neurotic worrying about loss of potency ). The damp rid is only like 3 bucks a bag at home depot, and easy to set up
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: crackbaby]
#22490033 - 11/07/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're worried about loss of potency, making it take longer for them to dry, and giving them a period of not being completely dry, with no moving air, is about the worst thing you could do. Don't be paranoid of a thing, and then do something that definitely causes that thing. 
You can pressure cook a mushroom at 15psi and still trip.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: crackbaby]
#22490052 - 11/07/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said:
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Inocuole said:
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crackbaby said: I've had great results using a food dehydrator with digital temp setting (Presto brand from walmart) set to 110 degrees for about 8 hours, then putting the shrooms (which by now are about 90% dry)into tupperware container suspended by wire mesh an inch above damp rid for another 8-10 hours.
Why would you do that?
Why not 160 degrees for at least 12 hours, and then not have to worry about changing out the desiccant? Don't understand getting them 90% dry and then making it take longer than it has to.
I figure doing it that way exposes da shrooms to a minimum amount of heat to become properly dried...i guess 160 degrees would still be ok, but i've had good results with 110 degrees (maybe i'm a little neurotic worrying about loss of potency ). The damp rid is only like 3 bucks a bag at home depot, and easy to set up
Damn gotta love them US supermarkets. Am jealous.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22490092 - 11/07/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never bought damp-rid in my life, so that's 3 dollars x infinity(for all the times I haven't bought it), coming out to a total of infinity(x3) dollars that I didn't spend on damp-rid. Now that's savings!
Really though, running a dehydrator for a little longer is a lot cheaper and less effort than buying and replacing damprid.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22490113 - 11/07/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like to actually store mine with damp rid.
And damn with that kinda humidity it must be kinda easy to grow Drying is a bitch but hey haha
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Inocuole]
#22490143 - 11/07/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I've never bought damp-rid in my life, so that's 3 dollars x infinity(for all the times I haven't bought it), coming out to a total of infinity(x3) dollars that I didn't spend on damp-rid. Now that's savings!
Really though, running a dehydrator for a little longer is a lot cheaper and less effort than buying and replacing damprid.
Lol you say that like you have to replace it all the time. I haven't EVER replaced my damp rid in my container.and it's been used to dry (after mostly dry from fan drying) close to a pound.
And I only used like less than a dollars worth. I also use it for storage of seeds and herb and mushies.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Inocuole]
#22490168 - 11/07/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: I like to actually store mine with damp rid.
And damn with that kinda humidity it must be kinda easy to grow Drying is a bitch but hey haha
Believe it or not we dont have any psychoactive shrooms growing outside. Nor do we have edible ones as far as I know ( might be wrong about the edibles). Dont really see much wild shrooms anyway but when I used to live in a town which had a few spots with dense trees I used to see some big yellow/grayish shrooms grow. I find the humidity here useless for cultivation because one still has to use an FC since the temp is usually high causing the substrate to dry out.
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Inocuole said: I've never bought damp-rid in my life, so that's 3 dollars x infinity(for all the times I haven't bought it), coming out to a total of infinity(x3) dollars that I didn't spend on damp-rid. Now that's savings!
Really though, running a dehydrator for a little longer is a lot cheaper and less effort than buying and replacing damprid.
So you never use a silica for storing the shrooms after dehydrating? Or is damprid not made of it?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22490240 - 11/07/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a few silica gel packets that I put in bags of fully dried mushrooms. I just ask my friends to collect them and send em my way. I have more than I need by a good margin.
Wait @impatient- You store your herb (I assume you mean weed) with damprid? The fuck? I sure hope you mean some kind of other herb. I store my weed with boveda 62% two way humidity packs.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Inocuole]
#22490262 - 11/07/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What's wrong with damprid? I always thought it was silica
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Inocuole]
#22490269 - 11/07/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I run 100 percent of my weed into oil so for me the dryer the better. My nugs will powder just from a light squeeze. The taste is just fine still just no water weight at all.
It's easier to extract/less drying time.
I've used damprid to dry my hash out as well
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22490277 - 11/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: What's wrong with damprid? I always thought it was silica
Lol nothing it rocks
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22490294 - 11/07/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea but I mean what is it? Is it another type of desiccant rather than silica?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22490310 - 11/07/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said: Yea but I mean what is it? Is it another type of desiccant rather than silica?
Mine is made up of calcium chloride it says on the bag.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22490333 - 11/07/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll betcha supale that I could grow in that climate with no fruiting chamber, and I know you could too. I've done 10% rh open air lol... Had to mist 2-3 times a day if I didn't want it to dry out. Heat may dry it out. That's why you mist! No different than any other chamber really.
Also in a high rh place that sounds all good to me. Dehydrator until cracked dry then vacuum seal them. No need for silica or any of that shit. Also I've never once had a mushroom break when I vacuum sealed it (cause people think it will). I just don't vacuum it all the way. Just most of the way.
Edited by Mad Season (11/07/15 11:22 AM)
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22490341 - 11/07/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: I run 100 percent of my weed into oil so for me the dryer the better.
You're my kind of guy!
Edited by iSmkGrnBud (11/07/15 11:23 AM)
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22490378 - 11/07/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha hell yeah!
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22490388 - 11/07/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see... call me old fashioned but I'm still into squishy soft smooth hitting nugs. Probably won't be full into oils until it's legal around here.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Mad Season]
#22490487 - 11/07/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: I'll betcha supale that I could grow in that climate with no fruiting chamber, and I know you could too. I've done 10% rh open air lol... Had to mist 2-3 times a day if I didn't want it to dry out. Heat may dry it out. That's why you mist! No different than any other chamber really.
Also in a high rh place that sounds all good to me. Dehydrator until cracked dry then vacuum seal them. No need for silica or any of that shit. Also I've never once had a mushroom break when I vacuum sealed it (cause people think it will). I just don't vacuum it all the way. Just most of the way.
Yes I think I read that post. Its the one where some of them had cracked caps?(might have been RR's experiment im not sure) What I meant about humidity being useless is that since I dont have the time to check in on it every couple of hours I prefer to play it safe and put it in a relatively set and forget FC. Hell I think in this climate if I were to start dumping my spent tubs under some trees I would be the one responsible for introducing psychoactive shrooms into my country lmao. Maybe they might make a monument for me if I did. Either that or give me a life sentence .
Dont have a vacuum sealer atm but I guess an airtight container is just as good will work fine for now. I suspect that my silica was rehydrating my shrooms because I just did a test with 1 shroom a few hour's ago after oven drying the silica cat litter and it seems like its doing fine. Guess ill know for sure by the morning. I will buy the silica gel in the near future (unless im better off without it.) I like how it indicates how wet it is. Dont think its expensive.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
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I got a large container and filled the bottom with silica gel and put a plastic platform with a paper towel with the mushrooms ontop of that when i left earlier today . now im home and they are already feeling close to cracker dry.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22498642 - 11/08/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I got an update for y all. Seems like I found the problem. It was as I suspected the silica was rehydrating my mushies. If any of you experience this with cat litter
A) put it in the over for an hour or so B) don't be a cheapo, go buy indicator gel you moron how are you supposed to know if the kitty litter is wet? (this is meant for me actually)
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498698 - 11/09/15 12:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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They need to be cracker dry before you put them in an airtight container with desiccant period! think of the damp rid like a stabiliser not an extractor.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: pineninja]
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pineninja said: They need to be cracker dry before you put them in an airtight container with desiccant period! think of the damp rid like a stabiliser not an extractor.
He's right... 100% dry before you use desiccant... It is in no way an acceptable way to dry your fresh shrooms...
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: pineninja]
#22498708 - 11/09/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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True but if you put cracker dry shrooms in with somewhat hydrated silica youll end up with rubbery mushrooms with no psycopowers at all. Makes for a dull trip I find
Edit: Should have been more clear bout the condition of my shrooms. I apologise
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
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I will let you work through the solution to that one
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: pineninja]
#22498745 - 11/09/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drierite is the fucking shit. Anhydrous calcium sulfate. I used silica for a minute, found it too weak and switched up to drierite and wouldn't go back. It's pretty powerful. I have a (bad) habit of throwing poorly fan-dried mushrooms into a jar with the stuff without ill effects.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: WChef]
#22498755 - 11/09/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If your shrooms are actually dry, desicant will keep them ABSOLUTELY dry...they will never go rubbery, unless they were not dry in the first place or your container is not air tight...period
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: pineninja]
#22498792 - 11/09/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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pineninja said: They need to be cracker dry before you put them in an airtight container with desiccant period! think of the damp rid like a stabiliser not an extractor.
Not if your drying with fans and desiccant chambers.
I don't even use a dehydrator
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
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But you don't dry with a desicant...I guess you could finish off a 97% dry mushroom in a desicant chamber...but any more wet than that and it is going to need upkeep, and it is not anywhere nearly effective and efficient as a dehydrator... You can wipe your ass with tree bark, but toilet paper is prime...dehyrators FTW.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22498820 - 11/09/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: But you don't dry with a desicant...I guess you could finish off a 97% dry mushroom in a desicant chamber...but any more wet than that and it is going to need upkeep, and it is not anywhere nearly effective and efficient as a dehydrator... You can wipe your ass with tree bark, but toilet paper is prime...dehyrators FTW.
No you don't dry mushrooms with desiccant, but I do. After I fan dry like I said earlier in the thread. And you could dry completely wet mushrooms in a proper desiccant chambers IMO. It would just take forever. (Stealthy though)
For my particular set up its much more effective/efficient. So speak for yourself.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22498823 - 11/09/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like to lay all of my crop out to dry on wood or cardboard and once they start to dry up a decent amount I damp rid them.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22498849 - 11/09/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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well when your part of the country gets electricity you can use a dehydrator... And once you do I promise you will agree with me.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22498854 - 11/09/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh that was truly witty. That made me laugh so hard I almost fell off my dinosaur! I remember my first beer too! Lol There isn't a need for them IMO I've used them before. I don't grow even close to enough to need them. It only takes a few days for me my way and all I have to do is lay them out and then pick them back up again.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22498903 - 11/09/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: If your shrooms are actually dry, desicant will keep them ABSOLUTELY dry...they will never go rubbery, unless they were not dry in the first place or your container is not air tight...period
Not if your desiccant is wet though. Moisture will move to the driest thing they find in this case my cracker dry shrooms. Problem was I didn't know wtf was happening till I put the silica in the oven. Now its a-okay
Must have said this 3 times already today 0.0
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22499015 - 11/09/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you want some good info on desiccants and their uses with shrooms here is a write up on it. http://www.shroomery.org/10615/Desiccants-and-drying
When you talk about 100% dry unless you are using Drierite (anhydrous calcium sulphate) you're not really that close to it, about 75% for calcium chloride and about 40% for silica gel. The Drierite can get you to 99% dry but is a bit pricey at about $40 a bottle.
I also have to wonder about your RH being that high. I live on the south side of the Caribbean with a rain forest at my back and look to the islands to get away from the oppressive RH here. However my measurements tell me it only averages about 60%, no where near 85% unless it has just rained.
And yes desiccant can put moisture back in your shrooms if it has a higher moisture content than they do. What I do is put them, the shrooms, into a screen pouch and leave them on top of a ground unit AC where they get fanned with fresh warm air, and under the sun at the same time. 3 or 4 hours later they go into a Damprid dryer to finish and are then stored with fully recharged silica in air tight containers.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Still_tripping]
#22500107 - 11/09/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just a quick little tip..! Put a tbs. of damp-rid in a coffee filter. Fold the ends and roll it up like a joint. 3M Micropore tape works good to keep it from unraveling.
You now have a desiccant pouch to throw into a zip-lock bag. It's a nice way to give a gift bag of shrooms to your friends.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22500913 - 11/09/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i ended up just saying fuk it and using my pressure cooker as a giant desiccant chamber. it worked perfect but it was definitely overkill
i just filled it with about 1 1/2 inch of sillica gel and put wire mesh with the mushrooms ontop of it and sealed it with cling wrap and then screwed the top on .
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Still_tripping]
#22501166 - 11/09/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Still_tripping said: When you talk about 100% dry unless you are using Drierite (anhydrous calcium sulphate) you're not really that close to it, about 75% for calcium chloride and about 40% for silica gel. The Drierite can get you to 99% dry but is a bit pricey at about $40 a bottle.
As I was saying. I fan dry my shrooms until they're completely dry on the outside, and then use Drierite to finish the job. In fact, I've put fresh mushrooms in my desiccant chamber (in small amounts- no more than a few- this is important) and found them do the job entirely. Drierite is pricey but I'm surprised its not the go-to for more growers.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: WChef]
#22501202 - 11/09/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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WChef said: Drierite is pricey but I'm surprised its not the go-to for more growers.
Because food dehydrators are easy to use and get the job done right the first time.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: WChef]
#22501288 - 11/09/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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But Drierite does one thing dehydrators can't and that's keep them dry.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22501289 - 11/09/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why not just push a button? As soon as you pick your mushrooms they begin to rot, breaking down actives. The faster you can dry them Craker dry the less you loose, especially drying at around 160 deactivating the enzymes.
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I would rather stop the process of natural degradation by using a decent food dehydrator
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bodhisatta said: Use heat at least 160f to "fix" the enzymes and stop degradation.
Not using heat = more potency loss
Neither psilocin or psilocybin will vape even at 300f
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bodhisatta said: Thermal degradation takes very high temperature. Like I said over 300/350
Enzymatic degradation because fruits are still wet takes place at room temp to warm temps. Over 150-160f most enzymes are cometely deactivated.
Us guys who have been around do as hot as the dehydrator goes. To shut off enzymes. And get them cracker dry as fast as possible to lock in potency.
Usually 12+ hrs or more for thick fucks
Why would you need to be stealthy drying mushrooms? If there is someone in the house you need to hide them from, maybe you shouldn't be growing mushrooms.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: WChef]
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WChef said: But Drierite does one thing dehydrators can't and that's keep them dry.
Well put some packs in a mason jar after you dried them the right way
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22501543 - 11/09/15 05:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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WChef said: Drierite is pricey but I'm surprised its not the go-to for more growers.
Because food dehydrators are easy to use and get the job done right the first time.
Because it is not as effective as a dehydrator...never has been, never will be... Period, it is a sub par method for drying shrooms...I could lay them on the air filter in my car and it would be more effective than that...it will never be a go to for anything in mycology except for keeping dry shrooms dry...
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: NDStepp84]
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WChef said: But Drierite does one thing dehydrators can't and that's keep them dry.
Well put some packs in a mason jar after you dried them the right way
yup, we dry them once and do it as fast as we can, aka dehydrators. nobody got time for desiccant chambers anyway. load 'em up, turn on, wait for perfection
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: NDStepp84]
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Why would you need to be stealthy drying mushrooms? If there is someone in the house you need to hide them from, maybe you shouldn't be growing mushrooms.
How's it living in bodhisattas butthole? Is it nice and warm for you?
I don't need to be stealthy I was just stating a fact douche bag. I dry mine out in the open in my house.
Lol bunch of damp rid hating idiots here. If you don't have a dehydrator your apparently a fucking asshole caveman.
I can dry my mush damn well and efficiently without a dehydrator. Unless your cropping a lot of mush it's a waste of electricity to even use one.
I don't sell my mush so I don't need to grow a lot. So I don't need to scale up my drying process. My way takes a few days until cracker dry and there's no loss of potency.
The only people who need to use a dehydrator are selling or hording mushrooms.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
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that's a bold statement. you cant really know if you have potency loss if you havent tried a dehydrator for getting them dry can you?
we're simply saying desiccant chambers are old fashioned, time consuming, and inferior way of drying your mushrooms. thats why no one is doing it or promoting it.
try to use big boy words and not lashing out just because someone disagrees with you, usually helps when you're trying to have a good convo!
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
#22501713 - 11/09/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right... Its a good sign of ignorance to start name calling... How much do you pay for your desicant?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501721 - 11/09/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just stating the facts, no need to get butthurt here's two better double up your dose.
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Pastywhyte said: Desicate chambers are for after you get them mostly dry in front of a fan. Fans and desicate chambers suck, takes like 4 days to get dry by which point you have lost lots of potency. Either do the oven or get a dehydrator. Dehydrator FTW.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
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that's a bold statement. you cant really know if you have potency loss if you havent tried a dehydrator for getting them dry can you?
we're simply saying desiccant chambers are old fashioned, time consuming, and inferior way of drying your mushrooms. thats why no one is doing it or promoting it.
try to use big boy words and not lashing out just because someone disagrees with you, usually helps when you're trying to have a good convo!
Read the thread I've tried both ways.
I'm sick of people saying it's the wrong way fuck that there's no wrong way.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22501746 - 11/09/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just stating the facts, no need to get butthurt here's two better double up your dose.
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Pastywhyte said: Desicate chambers are for after you get them mostly dry in front of a fan. Fans and desicate chambers suck, takes like 4 days to get dry by which point you have lost lots of potency. Either do the oven or get a dehydrator. Dehydrator FTW.
Not facts I've tried both ways imo they are the same for keeping potency intact.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501751 - 11/09/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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the way that takes way too long and is completely uneccessary when everyone owns an oven is the wrong way. worst way of doing it. so dont get upset when people advice against it, its gonna happen again and again.
even if you dont grow much mushrooms you still want the ones you grow to have some power.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501763 - 11/09/15 06:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22501765 - 11/09/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Right... Its a good sign of ignorance to start name calling... How much do you pay for your desicant?
Lol you don't ever call people names? We got an angel over here.
3 buck for a few pounds I still have 80 percent of the original package.
Unless your growing a lot of shrooms you don't need a dehydrator IMO. My shrooms are potent as fuck just by air drying/fan drying then desiccant chambering them. And yeah it takes 2 or 3 days but how do shrooms in nature dry? With a dehydrator? No just with the wind. And some of those wild shrooms are potent as fuck.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22501783 - 11/09/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's only one right way to do something, and that's whatever the person posting does 
Dehydrators are more expensive and I'm not as committed to the "hobby" I suppose so that's why I use Drierite.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
#22501784 - 11/09/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: the way that takes way too long and is completely uneccessary when everyone owns an oven is the wrong way. worst way of doing it. so dont get upset when people advice against it, its gonna happen again and again.
even if you dont grow much mushrooms you still want the ones you grow to have some power. 
My shroooms are unbelievable potent in me and my friends opinions. 1.5 grams is plenty to trip pretty well an eth of my shrooms is way to much for me. And I've eaten lots of shrooms from other people before so I have an average to compare to.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501789 - 11/09/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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buy a dehydrator and you'll never have another worry about it plus you can also make jerky
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Lumiz]
#22501796 - 11/09/15 06:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lumiz said: buy a dehydrator and you'll never have another worry about it plus you can also make jerky 
True but I already have one lol
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501797 - 11/09/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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you keep thinking that, I dont care, just be careful you might meet someone who knows how to grow and preserve their grows that will have a surprise for you that'll leave you drooling on the floor not knowing what's up,down,in or out.
as I said you cant really know what you're missing out on if you havent tried the real deal.
chemistry dont lie. you might very well do.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501801 - 11/09/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dry mushrooms in nature?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501827 - 11/09/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My latest rating: "The only people who need to use a dehydrator are selling or hording mushrooms.
Yeah mushroom dealing is the only reason the dehydrator business is alive...Fuck outta here..."
Lol that's not what I even implied. Watch out everyone LocN9ne is rating people so hard.
Lol so butthurt over a dehydrator.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
#22501832 - 11/09/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: you keep thinking that, I dont care, just be careful you might meet someone who knows how to grow and preserve their grows that will have a surprise for you that'll leave you drooling on the floor not knowing what's up,down,in or out.
as I said you cant really know what you're missing out on if you havent tried the real deal.
chemistry dont lie. you might very well do.
Lol whatever man.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
#22501834 - 11/09/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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poor OP, got all this BS in his thread.
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spacechildo said: chemistry dont lie. you might very well do.
my final say on this.
lol i'm such a liar, dehydrators FTW! is my final word.s.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501855 - 11/09/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't see him calling anyone names, just rating someone for spreading bad information. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you included. If you like rotten mushrooms and support rape more power to you.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22501864 - 11/09/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't really care about the dehydrator/desiccant debacle, I just use desiccant because I already have some- I was just touting what I see as the best desiccant. But I do have to kind of agree that when people start lecturing about mass efficiency, it does suggest "commercial grower" to me. Flame me all you want. I'm sure you're a really nice guy and your pounds upon pounds of mushrooms are just for personal use. I'm only talking about the other guys
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
#22501883 - 11/09/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: you keep thinking that, I dont care, just be careful you might meet someone who knows how to grow and preserve their grows that will have a surprise for you that'll leave you drooling on the floor not knowing what's up,down,in or out.
as I said you cant really know what you're missing out on if you havent tried the real deal.
chemistry dont lie. you might very well do.
You can say yours are better or that mine are losing potency but you don't know anything about my shrooms. You haven't tried them and I can tell you that they aren't losing any potency.
Go ahead keep saying they lose their power, but you couldn't ever possibly know. But I know. Cause I grew them and tripped off them.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: NDStepp84]
#22501900 - 11/09/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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NDStepp84 said: I didn't see him calling anyone names, just rating someone for spreading bad information. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you included. If you like rotten mushrooms and support rape more power to you.
Never said he called anyone a name. I didn't spread any bad info. I posted how I dry my mushrooms. There's no right ducking way to dry shrooms. IMO the oven idea sounds like a bad idea. I've never had any mushrooms rot on my watch so yeah. Your pretty cool. Fuck off if you don't like it. And I don't fucking support rape. There's about 15 "he supports rape" ratings from that guy because he was supporting it himself.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501946 - 11/09/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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impatientguy said: Go ahead keep saying they lose their power, but you couldn't ever possibly know. But I know. Cause I grew them and tripped off them.
chemistry knows. chemistry dont lie. what's so hard to understand?
I think OP got the point now anyway, 1 rape supporter dont believe in chemistry,dehydrators,ovens or tc's. rest of the thread is a bunch of people who knows what's up... now who to trust...
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
#22501957 - 11/09/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's nice how you try to slander me as a rape supporter for no reason lol If you saw the thread you wouldn't be calling me that
Post a link to you "chemistry"
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
#22501981 - 11/09/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You will never win an argument with impatientguy. Send him all the sources you like. Nothing trumps his personal experience. Reminds me of the type of person who sees a snowflake and deems it evidence that global warming is a myth.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22501982 - 11/09/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Right... Its a good sign of ignorance to start name calling... How much do you pay for your desicant?
Lol you don't ever call people names? We got an angel over here.
3 buck for a few pounds I still have 80 percent of the original package.
Unless your growing a lot of shrooms you don't need a dehydrator IMO. My shrooms are potent as fuck just by air drying/fan drying then desiccant chambering them. And yeah it takes 2 or 3 days but how do shrooms in nature dry? With a dehydrator? No just with the wind. And some of those wild shrooms are potent as fuck.
Lmmfao, no I do call people names faggot...but in nature I don't think the slugs mind the potency being lost...and when is the last time you found a dehydrated shroom sitting in the woods you fuckin idiot... I guess that is how you gotta talk to children.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: spacechildo]
#22501987 - 11/09/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice easy answer. Doesn't prove shit though.
Whatever I dry mine my way if your don't like it than you can dry them your way
Or you give me a bad rating for it like LocN9ne did. But that would be very petty now wouldn't it?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22502008 - 11/09/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No it wouldn't be... It lets people know that your info is based on judgements and is most likely wrong... Nothing petty about looking out for the potential "drug dealers" who actually want to know what's up
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22502016 - 11/09/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Right... Its a good sign of ignorance to start name calling... How much do you pay for your desicant?
Lol you don't ever call people names? We got an angel over here.
3 buck for a few pounds I still have 80 percent of the original package.
Unless your growing a lot of shrooms you don't need a dehydrator IMO. My shrooms are potent as fuck just by air drying/fan drying then desiccant chambering them. And yeah it takes 2 or 3 days but how do shrooms in nature dry? With a dehydrator? No just with the wind. And some of those wild shrooms are potent as fuck.
Lmmfao, no I do call people names faggot...but in nature I don't think the slugs mind the potency being lost...and when is the last time you found a dehydrated shroom sitting in the woods you fuckin idiot... I guess that is how you gotta talk to children.
Your ignorance is showing
And yeah they aren't fucking cracker dry but I've seen some most dry shrooms in the woods before.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22502029 - 11/09/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No you haven't... And impatience with people who are wrong is not ignorance... It is just that impatience... I really love this hobby and I want to spread good info to potential cultivators...unlike you...sorry bro, but you are wrong...
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22502039 - 11/09/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: No it wouldn't be... It lets people know that your info is based on judgements and is most likely wrong... Nothing petty about looking out for the potential "drug dealers" who actually want to know what's up
Lol leaving me a bad rating for not agreeing with your drying method is pretty petty IMO.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22502045 - 11/09/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: No you haven't... And impatience with people who are wrong is not ignorance... It is just that impatience... I really love this hobby and I want to spread good info to potential cultivators...unlike you...sorry bro, but you are wrong...
Fuck you. Yes I have too. I'm wrong huh? I didn't realize that there was only one way to dry a mushroom. Your so smart.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22502056 - 11/09/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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10/10 would post this thread again
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22502060 - 11/09/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is an efficient way and a non efficient way... Any noobs reading this, spend $30 on a dehydrator...don't be like this fuckin guy and settle for nonsense...
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22502084 - 11/09/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would have but instead i just use enough desiccant to suck so much moisture out of the air that it creates a mushroom moisture singularity inside the chamber and clearing the local forecast for a week.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22502086 - 11/09/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: There is an efficient way and a non efficient way... Any noobs reading this, spend $30 on a dehydrator...don't be like this fuckin guy and settle for nonsense...
Yup if you have ten shrooms the only effective efficient way to dry em is a dehydrator lMAO
Different strokes for different folks.
Like I said if you like the dehydrator that's nice but I don't need one. My way works great IMO. If everyone I gave some shrooms to told me "hey those blew dick bro" then I wouldn't dry them that way. But they all say "damn! those were the best mushrooms I've had!"
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22502087 - 11/09/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Omg you children..... Shrooms lose potency no matter the drying method a little more lost with a fan and desicant then using heat but not much a couple more shrooms down the hatch wouldnt fix either way, now I am going to use my ban button and kindly ask you to be nice or just
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22503389 - 11/10/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Leatus said: i ended up just saying fuk it and using my pressure cooker as a giant desiccant chamber. it worked perfect but it was definitely overkill
i just filled it with about 1 1/2 inch of sillica gel and put wire mesh with the mushrooms ontop of it and sealed it with cling wrap and then screwed the top on .
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22512997 - 11/12/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good argument guys. For shrooms I'd say the dehydrator is the fastest least hassle method guaranteed to do the job. Fan/desiccant will also get the job done but not as well or as easily.
The deciding factor? Shrooms are good once a week, maybe once every two weeks, or even once a month. Jerky on the other hand is good every day of the week, so to a dehydrator.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Still_tripping]
#22513042 - 11/12/15 09:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see.. I now understand what ND meant by the dehydrator debate lol
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Mad Season]
#22513298 - 11/12/15 10:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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NDSTEPP84 is well grounded in his knowledge base. He is one of the best critical thinkers I'very had the pleasure of meeting. Never write off anything this guy has to say
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: phishphan2088]
#22513317 - 11/12/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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they grow up so fast hahaha, that's what growing and reading frequently does! If you post often enough you'll learn sooo much.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Mad Season]
#22513619 - 11/12/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phishphan, good to see you brother!
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they grow up so fast hahaha, that's what growing and reading frequently does! If you post often enough you'll learn sooo much.
Being able to learn something new each day is one reason why I love this place, minds greater than mine going out of their way to help others and share knowledge, not enough hours in the day to take it all in. Forever
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