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LocN9ne
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: pineninja]
#22498704 - 11/09/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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pineninja said: They need to be cracker dry before you put them in an airtight container with desiccant period! think of the damp rid like a stabiliser not an extractor.
He's right... 100% dry before you use desiccant... It is in no way an acceptable way to dry your fresh shrooms...
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: pineninja]
#22498708 - 11/09/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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True but if you put cracker dry shrooms in with somewhat hydrated silica youll end up with rubbery mushrooms with no psycopowers at all. Makes for a dull trip I find
Edit: Should have been more clear bout the condition of my shrooms. I apologise
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pineninja
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22498716 - 11/09/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I will let you work through the solution to that one
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WChef


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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: pineninja]
#22498745 - 11/09/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drierite is the fucking shit. Anhydrous calcium sulfate. I used silica for a minute, found it too weak and switched up to drierite and wouldn't go back. It's pretty powerful. I have a (bad) habit of throwing poorly fan-dried mushrooms into a jar with the stuff without ill effects.
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LocN9ne
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: WChef]
#22498755 - 11/09/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If your shrooms are actually dry, desicant will keep them ABSOLUTELY dry...they will never go rubbery, unless they were not dry in the first place or your container is not air tight...period
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impatientguy
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: pineninja]
#22498792 - 11/09/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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pineninja said: They need to be cracker dry before you put them in an airtight container with desiccant period! think of the damp rid like a stabiliser not an extractor.
Not if your drying with fans and desiccant chambers.
I don't even use a dehydrator
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LocN9ne
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22498804 - 11/09/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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But you don't dry with a desicant...I guess you could finish off a 97% dry mushroom in a desicant chamber...but any more wet than that and it is going to need upkeep, and it is not anywhere nearly effective and efficient as a dehydrator... You can wipe your ass with tree bark, but toilet paper is prime...dehyrators FTW.
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Edited by LocN9ne (11/09/15 01:08 AM)
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impatientguy
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22498820 - 11/09/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: But you don't dry with a desicant...I guess you could finish off a 97% dry mushroom in a desicant chamber...but any more wet than that and it is going to need upkeep, and it is not anywhere nearly effective and efficient as a dehydrator... You can wipe your ass with tree bark, but toilet paper is prime...dehyrators FTW.
No you don't dry mushrooms with desiccant, but I do. After I fan dry like I said earlier in the thread. And you could dry completely wet mushrooms in a proper desiccant chambers IMO. It would just take forever. (Stealthy though)
For my particular set up its much more effective/efficient. So speak for yourself.
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impatientguy
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22498823 - 11/09/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like to lay all of my crop out to dry on wood or cardboard and once they start to dry up a decent amount I damp rid them.
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LocN9ne
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22498849 - 11/09/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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well when your part of the country gets electricity you can use a dehydrator... And once you do I promise you will agree with me.
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impatientguy
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22498854 - 11/09/15 01:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh that was truly witty. That made me laugh so hard I almost fell off my dinosaur! I remember my first beer too! Lol There isn't a need for them IMO I've used them before. I don't grow even close to enough to need them. It only takes a few days for me my way and all I have to do is lay them out and then pick them back up again.
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: LocN9ne]
#22498903 - 11/09/15 02:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: If your shrooms are actually dry, desicant will keep them ABSOLUTELY dry...they will never go rubbery, unless they were not dry in the first place or your container is not air tight...period
Not if your desiccant is wet though. Moisture will move to the driest thing they find in this case my cracker dry shrooms. Problem was I didn't know wtf was happening till I put the silica in the oven. Now its a-okay
Must have said this 3 times already today 0.0
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22499015 - 11/09/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you want some good info on desiccants and their uses with shrooms here is a write up on it. http://www.shroomery.org/10615/Desiccants-and-drying
When you talk about 100% dry unless you are using Drierite (anhydrous calcium sulphate) you're not really that close to it, about 75% for calcium chloride and about 40% for silica gel. The Drierite can get you to 99% dry but is a bit pricey at about $40 a bottle.
I also have to wonder about your RH being that high. I live on the south side of the Caribbean with a rain forest at my back and look to the islands to get away from the oppressive RH here. However my measurements tell me it only averages about 60%, no where near 85% unless it has just rained.
And yes desiccant can put moisture back in your shrooms if it has a higher moisture content than they do. What I do is put them, the shrooms, into a screen pouch and leave them on top of a ground unit AC where they get fanned with fresh warm air, and under the sun at the same time. 3 or 4 hours later they go into a Damprid dryer to finish and are then stored with fully recharged silica in air tight containers.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Still_tripping]
#22500107 - 11/09/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just a quick little tip..! Put a tbs. of damp-rid in a coffee filter. Fold the ends and roll it up like a joint. 3M Micropore tape works good to keep it from unraveling.
You now have a desiccant pouch to throw into a zip-lock bag. It's a nice way to give a gift bag of shrooms to your friends.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22500913 - 11/09/15 03:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i ended up just saying fuk it and using my pressure cooker as a giant desiccant chamber. it worked perfect but it was definitely overkill
i just filled it with about 1 1/2 inch of sillica gel and put wire mesh with the mushrooms ontop of it and sealed it with cling wrap and then screwed the top on .
Edited by Leatus (11/09/15 03:32 PM)
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WChef


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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Still_tripping]
#22501166 - 11/09/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Still_tripping said: When you talk about 100% dry unless you are using Drierite (anhydrous calcium sulphate) you're not really that close to it, about 75% for calcium chloride and about 40% for silica gel. The Drierite can get you to 99% dry but is a bit pricey at about $40 a bottle.
As I was saying. I fan dry my shrooms until they're completely dry on the outside, and then use Drierite to finish the job. In fact, I've put fresh mushrooms in my desiccant chamber (in small amounts- no more than a few- this is important) and found them do the job entirely. Drierite is pricey but I'm surprised its not the go-to for more growers.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: WChef]
#22501202 - 11/09/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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WChef said: Drierite is pricey but I'm surprised its not the go-to for more growers.
Because food dehydrators are easy to use and get the job done right the first time.
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WChef


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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: WChef]
#22501288 - 11/09/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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But Drierite does one thing dehydrators can't and that's keep them dry.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22501289 - 11/09/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why not just push a button? As soon as you pick your mushrooms they begin to rot, breaking down actives. The faster you can dry them Craker dry the less you loose, especially drying at around 160 deactivating the enzymes.
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bodhisatta said: I still like heat the best autolysis occurs as soon as harvest happens the autolysis isn't an active process so much as an inevitable process caused by normal active cellular functions ceasing. when the cells no longer are on life support the lysosome in cells breaks open and releases everything that normally keeps the cells nice and clean out. these waste disposal enzymes are capable of breaking down nearly every biomolecule.
I would rather stop the process of natural degradation by using a decent food dehydrator
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bodhisatta said: Use heat at least 160f to "fix" the enzymes and stop degradation.
Not using heat = more potency loss
Neither psilocin or psilocybin will vape even at 300f
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bodhisatta said: Thermal degradation takes very high temperature. Like I said over 300/350
Enzymatic degradation because fruits are still wet takes place at room temp to warm temps. Over 150-160f most enzymes are cometely deactivated.
Us guys who have been around do as hot as the dehydrator goes. To shut off enzymes. And get them cracker dry as fast as possible to lock in potency.
Usually 12+ hrs or more for thick fucks
Why would you need to be stealthy drying mushrooms? If there is someone in the house you need to hide them from, maybe you shouldn't be growing mushrooms.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: WChef]
#22501302 - 11/09/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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WChef said: But Drierite does one thing dehydrators can't and that's keep them dry.
Well put some packs in a mason jar after you dried them the right way
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Links and teks ND's grow log and discussion Plant thread
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