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Leatus



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Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber.
#22489761 - 11/07/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had my mushrooms in my desiccant chamber for 1 day now and when i went to see how they were doing they felt kind of wet again . like the remaining moisture soaked back to the surface of the mushroom . is this normal?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22489766 - 11/07/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Were they cracker dry before putting in with the desiccant?
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22489780 - 11/07/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No they just got done fanning for 2 days but they didnt feel wet they were just bendable (moisture on the inside of the mushroom i assume)
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22489792 - 11/07/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tell me about it I had to throw my first grow away because I couldn't keep them dry. Here its always 70-80 rh and over 90rh at night so its been a nightmare. I just tried drying my silica cat litter in the oven now but if it doesn't work ill have to buy the gel and see how that does. Hope I didn't buy my dehydrator for nothing shit cost me a 100euro
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22489815 - 11/07/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Leatus said: No they just got done fanning for 2 days but they didnt feel wet they were just bendable (moisture on the inside of the mushroom i assume)
They will still lose all their potency that way. I got my first grow cracker dry in the oven and stored them in air tight container with some silica. After a couple of weeks they were just rubbery shrooms with no potency whatsoever. Now I bought a dehydrator since its supposed to be better but I dunno what to do if the silica keeps failing. Maybe I gotta start eating my shrooms an ounce at a time 5 days a week lmao. Would end up in a mental hospital within a few months
Edit; living on a warm small island is not all good. I dont know what its like to live in low humidity lol
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489822 - 11/07/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489825 - 11/07/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You want them most of the way cracker dry before putting into your desiccant chamber. If they bent, there was too much water in them. Trying fan drying them in the oven for a couple of hours to finish them up. Also how is your desiccant chamber set up? You don't want anything covering the desiccant or the mushrooms (filters, paper towerls), preferably just a rack type system to suspend the mush in air above desiccant.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Inocuole]
#22489841 - 11/07/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22489876 - 11/07/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i just switched it out for a larger container filled with about a inch of sillica gel but here is how i had it originally
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489878 - 11/07/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said:
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
You didn't do something right then. I had my dehydrator shit out on me and had to dry a few pounds in the over with just fans until they were dry. I didn't have any issues. You have to make sure they're dry before putting in with desiccant. Desiccant is used to capture the last remaining like 2-3% moisture left in the fruits. If you put them in there too wet, and don't get them dry quick enough, ou are gonna have potency loss.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489880 - 11/07/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had great results using a food dehydrator with digital temp setting (Presto brand from walmart) set to 110 degrees for about 8 hours, then putting the shrooms (which by now are about 90% dry)into tupperware container suspended by wire mesh an inch above damp rid for another 8-10 hours.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22489887 - 11/07/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Leatus said:

i just switched it out for a larger container filled with about a inch of sillica gel but here is how i had it originally
you might want to use a larger container so you can spread the shrooms out evenly...i don't think it's as effective to pile em on top of each other
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Leatus]
#22489888 - 11/07/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I imagine that lid or w/e is filled with holes right?
I broke a metal sieve to make my divider. Worked like a charm after my hands were full of blood bending and cutting it into shape lmao.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22489915 - 11/07/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said:
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
You didn't do something right then. I had my dehydrator shit out on me and had to dry a few pounds in the over with just fans until they were dry. I didn't have any issues. You have to make sure they're dry before putting in with desiccant. Desiccant is used to capture the last remaining like 2-3% moisture left in the fruits. If you put them in there too wet, and don't get them dry quick enough, ou are gonna have potency loss.
Thats the thing here its impossible to get them fully dry with a fan because of the high rh. I live on a 300sqkm island so the rh is insane. After I fan dried them for about 48 hours I put them inside the oven and they didnt start to feel cracker dry until an hour or so later. I left them there for another 30 minutes since most people say that unsplit shrooms will still have moisture on the inside. I am pretty sure they were cracker dry when they came out of the oven so my suspicions turned to the silica. My thinking is that they absorbed humidity from the high RH in the room so when I put them inside the container the drier mushrooms absorbed humidity from the silica. It's just a theory as of yet but I guess ill find out tomorrow.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489923 - 11/07/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Supalemonhaze said:
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
Then you did somthing wrong. Drying shouldn't reduce potency especially fan drying then desiccant. IMO fan then desiccant is the best way for not losing any potency
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: crackbaby]
#22489927 - 11/07/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah im trying that now . What time frame do i have to work with? i really dont want rotten shrooms
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22489931 - 11/07/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once cracker dry store them in a safe with a little bag of damprid.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: impatientguy]
#22489952 - 11/07/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I'd say it's pretty goddamn normal for moisture to redistribute itself in a porous medium in a sealed container.
Dehydrator until cracker dry, then seal airtight or with silica gel packets.
But they still shouldn't be rubbery right? Mine lost all their potency that way. I did put them on the lowest heat setting in an open oven instead of a dehydrator though. Just got it this week.
Then you did somthing wrong. Drying shouldn't reduce potency especially fan drying then desiccant. IMO fan then desiccant is the best way for not losing any potency
Read my last post I think you missed it while posting. Theres no way fan drying is enough with the RH in the pic below. It just got dark so it wilk probably be in the 90's later tonight
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: crackbaby]
#22489973 - 11/07/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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crackbaby said: I've had great results using a food dehydrator with digital temp setting (Presto brand from walmart) set to 110 degrees for about 8 hours, then putting the shrooms (which by now are about 90% dry)into tupperware container suspended by wire mesh an inch above damp rid for another 8-10 hours.
Why would you do that?
Why not 160 degrees for at least 12 hours, and then not have to worry about changing out the desiccant? Don't understand getting them 90% dry and then making it take longer than it has to.
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Re: Mushrooms getting soggy again when put in desiccant chamber. [Re: Inocuole]
#22490025 - 11/07/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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crackbaby said: I've had great results using a food dehydrator with digital temp setting (Presto brand from walmart) set to 110 degrees for about 8 hours, then putting the shrooms (which by now are about 90% dry)into tupperware container suspended by wire mesh an inch above damp rid for another 8-10 hours.
Why would you do that?
Why not 160 degrees for at least 12 hours, and then not have to worry about changing out the desiccant? Don't understand getting them 90% dry and then making it take longer than it has to.
I figure doing it that way exposes da shrooms to a minimum amount of heat to become properly dried...i guess 160 degrees would still be ok, but i've had good results with 110 degrees (maybe i'm a little neurotic worrying about loss of potency ). The damp rid is only like 3 bucks a bag at home depot, and easy to set up
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