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the American political spectrum
#22488475 - 11/06/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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In America, the right seeks to protect and augment personal property as much as possible, and above all else, reasoning that this is the best route to success. It's actually what's most wrong with America. But the left offers no especially good alternative, seeking to legislate every problem away, and in the process giving the government more power than probably a government ideally ought to have. I guess what we really need is some sort of enlightened monarch, because the above approaches aren't getting us very far. (Not that that can happen).
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: DisoRDeR] 1
#22488620 - 11/06/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The American political spectrum is a spectrum of 2 choices. A giant douche or a turd sandwich. South park said it perfectly. This con game the political institutions push us into of only accepting 2 parties as "legitimate" is the biggest problem in the American political system. Then you only need 2 organizations to bribe and lobby to support your corporate agenda instead of 15.
The left and the right are just distractions from actual real political reform which is larger then just 2 pairs being rivals. About 50 percent of my social and fiscal policies I support fall under the left and 50% fall under the right, so it's impossible for me to vote for any side because in order to be an establishment guy on either wing you have to be damn near 100%.
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DividedQuantum said: In America, the right seeks to protect and augment personal property as much as possible, reasoning that this is the best route to success. It's actually what's most wrong with America.
Why? How would you feel if I came into your house uninvited and started breaking your shit?
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DividedQuantum said: we really need is some sort of enlightened monarch
lol good luck
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: White Beard]
#22488945 - 11/07/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good luck with some sort of enlightened anything. I think the concept of enlightenment is a utopia, I think at the end of the day mother Theresa was just another woman who happened to be really nice. Enlightenment is some soft of unattainable abstract state humans wish and under delusion may even believe it to be real.
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Mother Theresa was evil. Literally was friends with corrupt 3rd world dictators.
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: White Beard]
#22489008 - 11/07/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fucking bitch!!
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: circastes]
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Cognitive_Shift said: The American political spectrum is a spectrum of 2 choices. A giant douche or a turd sandwich. South park said it perfectly. This con game the political institutions push us into of only accepting 2 parties as "legitimate" is the biggest problem in the American political system. Then you only need 2 organizations to bribe and lobby to support your corporate agenda instead of 15.
The left and the right are just distractions from actual real political reform which is larger then just 2 pairs being rivals. About 50 percent of my social and fiscal policies I support fall under the left and 50% fall under the right, so it's impossible for me to vote for any side because in order to be an establishment guy on either wing you have to be damn near 100%.
Exactly, man. The two-party system is a joke. As George Carlin said, it constitutes an illusion of choice, not actual choice at all.
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DividedQuantum said: In America, the right seeks to protect and augment personal property as much as possible, reasoning that this is the best route to success. It's actually what's most wrong with America. But the left offers no especially good alternative, seeking to legislate every problem away, and in the process giving the government more power than probably a government ideally ought to have. I guess what we really need is some sort of enlightened monarch, because the above approaches aren't getting us very far.
You are going to be very happy to finally discover that The Queen Of England is in fact the "enlightened monarch" you desperately seek.
Or not.
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: White Beard]
#22489703 - 11/07/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: In America, the right seeks to protect and augment personal property as much as possible, reasoning that this is the best route to success. It's actually what's most wrong with America.
Why? How would you feel if I came into your house uninvited and started breaking your shit?
That does not logically follow from what I said.
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DividedQuantum said: we really need is some sort of enlightened monarch
lol good luck
I was being ironic. I do not actually believe that is an option. I feel that should be obvious.
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Seems pretty obvious you think private property is a bad thing and that a monarch should control it all as long as they are "enlightened" whatever that means.
Maybe sustainable development is your thing. Climate change?
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: LunarEclipse]
#22489752 - 11/07/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse said: Seems pretty obvious you think private property is a bad thing and that a monarch should control it all as long as they are "enlightened" whatever that means.
I agree. Sounds like he wants people to take the things from me under the authority of a dictator and the threat of violence. "Enlightened" mostly likely means that the monarch believes and serves him - his values and his needs.
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: LunarEclipse]
#22489772 - 11/07/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse said: Seems pretty obvious you think private property is a bad thing and that a monarch should control it all as long as they are "enlightened" whatever that means.
Maybe sustainable development is your thing. Climate change?
That's patently false. All I am saying is that too much emphasis on the way the right feels we should do things is a bad thing. And too much emphasis on the left is bad, too. Forget the enlightened monarch part, it was just a passing comment about my frustration. I do not feel a monarch is forthcoming, nor that that would even be possible, or workable. Please.
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: DieCommie]
#22489778 - 11/07/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: I agree. Sounds like he wants people to take the things from me under the authority of a dictator and the threat of violence. "Enlightened" mostly likely means that the monarch believes and serves him - his values and his needs.
That is a ridiculous inference. Come on.
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It seems the most likely to me based on your words. Surely you wouldn't consider a monarch to be enlightened if the monarch's beliefs were not aligned with yours and the monarch did not service your needs. That would be ridiculous.
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: DieCommie]
#22489804 - 11/07/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: It seems the most likely to me based on your words. Surely you wouldn't consider a monarch to be enlightened if the monarch's beliefs were not aligned with yours and the monarch did not service your needs. That would be ridiculous.
The monarch part is not the essence of what I was saying. It's not important. My point was that the only way out of the mess that is the right and the left would be to have someone as powerful as a monarch. That's all. You don't need to analyze it. I am not seriously interested in monarchy.
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Monarchy aside then... It seems clear you want a strong central figure that believes like you do who will take private property away from people (like myself) and do with it what you want done. You reject private property by saying its "actually whats wrong" as though you are privy to some special knowledge - in spite of the evidence that private ownership entails better stewardship and more prosperity.
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Re: the American political spectrum [Re: DieCommie]
#22489858 - 11/07/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Monarchy aside then... It seems clear you want a strong central figure that believes like you do who will take private property away from people (like myself) and do with it what you want done. You reject private property by saying its "actually whats wrong" as though you are privy to some special knowledge - in spite of the evidence that private ownership entails better stewardship and more prosperity.
No, DieCommie. That's not right. What's wrong with America is that people value private property above all else. I do not advocate taking it away. Where the fuck are you getting this? I didn't say that. I'm saying both the right and the left are full of shit, and there's no solution. That's what I'm saying. I do not reject private property. You have a lively imagination and a good ability to read notions into things that were never intended. You're making more out of what I said than what I actually said.
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Ok, thx for clarifying.
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I'm saying both the right and the left are full of shit, and there's no solution. That's what I'm saying.
That's not really saying much at all, is it?
Cynicism is infectious, corrosive and undermines success and happiness. I think that is the problem. And I certainly don't purport to be free of it, I have more than enough in my life.
I think that both the left and right have some shit, and have some solutions. I don't think things are that bad. I think the path forward to success and betterment is not a clean, clear straight and narrow - rather it is like sailing on the choppy seas where every wave that comes in needs to be dealt with, the destination may not even be in sight and sometimes you have to use the prevailing winds and plot a non-straight line rather than spite and be angry at the winds and tides.
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