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relic
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Re: DEA chief: Medicinal marijuana is a 'joke' [Re: Fractal420]
#22514225 - 11/12/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fractal420 said: Component parts show promise....but not the leaf. What about the buds? Lol
Basically saying concentrates are safer than plant matter even
while he's generally full of horseshit and there's a good chance he gets a nice, cushy six-figure job at a big pharma company that manufactures opiate/opioid painkillers after his stint at the DEA, he's saying that there are individual constituents in the cornucopia of alkaloids and compounds found in cannabis that might show some medical efficacy. maybe. perhaps. if only more research--like the research his corrupt organization has been cockblocking for 40+ years--could be done.
so not the concentrated full spectrum of compounds, just individual ones.
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dwnlw2slw
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Re: DEA chief: Medicinal marijuana is a 'joke' [Re: relic]
#22517899 - 11/13/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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But...let's look at the bigger picture issue, which is that --because marijuana happens to be under society's intensely scrutinizing light of ethics, morals, and an overall will-this-plant-actually-fit-in-our-culture-- it is having to prove itself as some kind of miracle drug that is the long-awaited cure for cancer. "Well, on our tests so far, there's no proof that it cures cancer; well obviously then, there are no medical applications." That seems to be the faulty logic here.
MJ shouldn't have to immediately be terminator-2-judgement-day for cancer. There's plenty of well-founded speculation that different types of cancer are largely exacerbated by stress, and the mj's potential to mediate stress is obviously enormous.
Besides, MJ's psychological applications for 'disorders' like bipolar and ptsd are as clear as any of the other meds that psychologists prescribe.
And if the cancer patients say that it improves their quality of life because of the psycho-physical effect of consuming even all the compounds of the buds, then that should be enough!
As somebody already mentioned, this is the dea, big pharma, and money. Imagine how crippled big pharma will be when people learn that they can grow their own meds from seed.
Edited by dwnlw2slw (11/13/15 05:48 PM)
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CidneyIndole
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Re: DEA chief: Medicinal marijuana is a 'joke' [Re: dwnlw2slw] 1
#22520466 - 11/13/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Marijuana Smoker: The DEA and its Chief are a "joke."
And the fact that this clown words his comment like this:
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"There are pieces of marijuana—extracts or constituents or component parts—that have great promise," he said. "But if you talk about smoking the leaf of marijuana, which is what people are talking about when they talk about medicinal marijuana, it has never been shown to be safe or effective as a medicine."
...just goes to show that this man has very little real knowledge of the drugs he's condemning, and therefore his opinion is not valid. Nevermind the fact that he has great reason to be biased in favor of the harmful "War On Drugs," namely job security.
And "pieces of marijuana-extracts?" Is this guy not a native English speaker, or just that fucking stupid? 
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Cannabis is also not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for use as cancer treatment or any other medical condition, according to NCI.
No fucking shit, sherlock? FDA is a federal agency. Cannabis is a Schedule I substance according to federal law. meaning "high risk of abuse, and allegedly without medical value." So why the fuck would the FDA approve a substance which, according to their own masters, has no medical value?
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However, some cannabinoids, the chemical compounds within the cannabis plant, have been approved for medical use. Dronabinol and nabilone, both found in marijuana, have been used for chemotherapy-related nausea and vomiting.
Yeah, except AFAIK many people (patients) consider Dronabinol to be next to useless for nausea. At least, a number of people I've spoken to have voiced this opinion. Number of years back I was friends with a guy who had terminal cancer, and a script for Dronabinol. Said it didn't do shit for his nausea. Traded a few for some stuff I had, and I didn't find them to be terribly effective, either.
Also, Nabilone is a synthetic, and is not found in the cannabis plant. Which makes this shitty journalism, on top of shitty propaganda. Come on, you can find that info in two seconds on google. There's no excuse for blatant errors like this in drug articles, in the 21st century. None.
And I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone, but boy would it be ironic if an asshole like this suddenly found themselves in a position where they would turn to just about anything, if it meant a little relief.
"Not medicine" my ass. How about "not a doctor, and therefore not qualified to comment on medicine?" How's that one strike you?
These people really piss me off. What may be even sadder, is that you know there are some misinformed people out there who probably buy into this garbage propaganda, hook line, and sinker.
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CidneyIndole
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Re: DEA chief: Medicinal marijuana is a 'joke' [Re: Hobbyist]
#22520563 - 11/13/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hobbyist said: Not to side with the DEA, but you guys are aware that technically the bud is just specialized leaves, right? That's pretty basic biology.
Really? That's fascinating. However
1- I'd bet you almost anything that's not why he used the term "leaf." For some funny reason, many members of law enforcement seem to be particularly ignorant about the drugs they target. DEA does employ some legitimately intelligent people (chemists, etc), but I have difficulty believing this person is more than a political monkey in a nice suit.
2- The head of my cock may just be a specilized clitoris, but I bet if a girl sucked on it, you wouldn't call it "lesbian sex," now would you?
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Re: DEA chief: Medicinal marijuana is a 'joke' [Re: CidneyIndole]
#22520626 - 11/13/15 11:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bear vs. Caribou
edit: oops, wrong thread!!
but uh yeah, fuck this idiot who says that medicinal weed is a joke
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musiclover420
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Re: DEA chief: Medicinal marijuana is a 'joke' [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
#22524008 - 11/14/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice points Cidney, wellsaid as well
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