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PsilocyBen17
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Are Newbs Not Using SABs?
#22485891 - 11/06/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I took a short hiatus from cultivating but am back now after a few months. I've been active on the forms for 3 days now and have found a TON of people not bothering to use SABs. Whats going on? Where are people getting the idea that open air inoculations are smart? 
Don't mean to be a downer. Just concerned.
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Now, I dont use a SAB. I shut all vents off in my shower after I take a shower and then wait until the humidity is gone. Sort of like a still air bathroom. At first I thought that may be my problem, but all 10/10 jars?!
I am building a SAB now, but I feel like that can't be the cause as all of the brf jars were fine in the bathroom. WBS could be totally different though.
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Censored Username #2: Well I too inoculate in open air even though its one of the worst ways to do it. ( my SAB sucks) but if everything is getting infected its probably something else unless your sterile technique is that bad. Are both spores from the same vendor purchased at the same time? Maybe the print was dirty. If I had a problem like yours I would definitely turn to agar to zone in on the problem. I think that should be your next step. If the agar has spotless growth you know its not the syringes.
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PsilocyBen17 said: consider using a SAB.
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Censored Username #3: I will have to try that. I live in coastal nc, so mold is a big thing here.
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I honestly didnt my first grow either Ben.. I'm going to this time and I'm fully aware that I just got realllly lucky my first time
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Guilty; I didn't make mine until last week, and I've been here a solid year.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22485937 - 11/06/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I only use mine for grain to grain or agar. Otherwise I have ships and sfds on my jars for needle injections and do those outside sab. No issues yet.
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YaMoonSun
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I'm going to need one for making agar transfers; Going to have to build a new one as mine was just ruined today.
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I'm a noob myself, but a SAB was the first thing I built. I mean, why not, a cardboard box or plastic tub, plastic wrap, and some tape.
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I didn't use a SAB. Tried inoculating in my kitchen; made everything as clean as possible; got bacteria and metabolites. They were rye berry bags, and they were part of a kit...I know better now.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: thebug76]
#22485984 - 11/06/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Amen, lol; With a little LED light so you can see
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: HonkyGeorge]
#22485986 - 11/06/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well the kit could've been the culprit there.
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midnightmaraude said: Well the kit could've been the culprit there.
I'm sure the kit had a lot to do with it, but opening the syringe in kitchen air to put on the needle didn't help. Doing that probably ruined all those GT spores.
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My first SAB was a clear trash bag. Considering how cheap and easy it is, and how much it increases the likelihood of success... I don't get why people try to cut that particular corner.
My current SAB is made of 1/2" HDPE and aluminum box tubing, with LED lighting:
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: HonkyGeorge]
#22486081 - 11/06/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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midnightmaraude said: Well the kit could've been the culprit there.
I'm sure the kit had a lot to do with it, but opening the syringe in kitchen air to put on the needle didn't help. Doing that probably ruined all those GT spores.
I doubt it. Or your syringe was contaminated to begin with.
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midnightmaraude said: Well the kit could've been the culprit there.
I'm sure the kit had a lot to do with it, but opening the syringe in kitchen air to put on the needle didn't help. Doing that probably ruined all those GT spores.
I doubt it. Or your syringe was contaminated to begin with.
Nah. They fruited Ok. There were just a lot of metabolites and growth was painfully slow.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: HonkyGeorge]
#22486154 - 11/06/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not using a SAB is like fucking a hooker without a condom. You might get lucky once, but if you do you shouldn't try it again!
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Not using a SAB is like fucking a hooker without a condom.
then would an open air inoc port be like a dental dam?
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Not using a SAB is like fucking a hooker without a condom.
then would an open air inoc port be like a dental dam?
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22486272 - 11/06/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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who cares, if noobs started using sabs and following instructions all of us regulars would be having this convo in the pub, let them learn the hard way or we become useless
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: cronicr]
#22486279 - 11/06/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: cronicr]
#22486289 - 11/06/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you ever see that contest I ran years ago where I gave people all the crap to do it right if they posted the worst fuckup story? Never did hear how any of those people that won wound up doing.
A few of the people who posted in it went on to do quite well for themselves though by simply not doing anything new until they were good at doing something old.
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Not using a SAB is like fucking a hooker without a condom.
then would an open air inoc port be like a dental dam?
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: mushpunx]
#22486324 - 11/06/15 02:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly I have never used a still air box to inoculate a PF jar. And Ive never had a PF jar contam.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: mushpunx]
#22486329 - 11/06/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i did years w/o a sab, ships and dry layers, had my fair share of contams and pulled some sweet grows though
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22486715 - 11/06/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: Amen, lol; With a little LED light so you can see

Niceee.
I wonder if the micro heat generated by the led lighting could create micro air disturbances in your design, ending up for you with a higher contamination rate than without the lights.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#22486748 - 11/06/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was thinking about that, which is why I'm using a controllable T6 on the lowest setting.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#22486749 - 11/06/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: I was thinking about that, which is why I'm using a controllable T6 on the lowest setting. 
Yeah but even with the lowest setting there is always a tiny little bit of heat? Why just don't just put the lights outside, like make a special window and place the light outside the box pointing to that window?
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Mr. Alien]
#22486827 - 11/06/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I suppose, but there's still going to be heat transfer unless I elevate the light just a tad above the new lighting window modification. It's not like I don't have to modify the box anyways. Might as well, lol
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22486848 - 11/06/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I cover the top with plastic wrap and tape the seams with packaging tape. That lets the overhead light be plenty to see.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: thebug76]
#22486917 - 11/06/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've done nothing but open air noccs since i started. Done well over 50 jars so far and tossed1 to green and 3 due to wetspot it's not rocket science. Meanwhile i know a guy who uses a sab and has had about a %50 contam rate. If your sterile procedures are up to par your fine. Might I add i only inoculate with syringes. And i am making a sab this weekend but i only need it for agar work.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22487307 - 11/06/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once you learn sterile technique and if you are not a complete moron. You can pretty much do mycology inside a cat shit box. Adleast grow cubes.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22487496 - 11/06/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: I suppose, but there's still going to be heat transfer unless I elevate the light just a tad above the new lighting window modification. It's not like I don't have to modify the box anyways. Might as well, lol
Dude just get a clear tote and put the light outside it. 
Problem solved.
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PsilocyBen17 said: Not using a SAB is like fucking a hooker without a condom. You might get lucky once, but if you do you shouldn't try it again!
once you got every disease they have to offer, its all good
honestly though, if it weren't for us noobs fucking everything up, how would you spend your evenings? lol
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PsilocyBen17 said: Not using a SAB is like fucking a hooker without a condom. You might get lucky once, but if you do you shouldn't try it again!
once you got every disease they have to offer, its all good
honestly though, if it weren't for us noobs fucking everything up, how would you spend your evenings? lol
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22487925 - 11/06/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said:
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PsilocyBen17 said: Not using a SAB is like fucking a hooker without a condom. You might get lucky once, but if you do you shouldn't try it again!
once you got every disease they have to offer, its all good
honestly though, if it weren't for us noobs fucking everything up, how would you spend your evenings? lol
***I personally appreciate all y'alls help!
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hostileuniverse said:
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PsilocyBen17 said: Not using a SAB is like fucking a hooker without a condom. You might get lucky once, but if you do you shouldn't try it again!
once you got every disease they have to offer, its all good
honestly though, if it weren't for us noobs fucking everything up, how would you spend your evenings? lol
***I personally appreciate all y'alls help!
Bullshitting in the jounals...duh.
lol,
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I can't imagine doing all the agar work I do without a SAB. I have very low contamination rate when I pour and complete my work in my SAB. In fact, my last 2 contaminated plates were from cloned tissue and I think I used too much.... had nothing to do with introducing contaminant to the plates through the air.
I think you could probably get by without a SAB if you never plan on fully experiencing most aspects of this hobby. If you are content with MS syringes and pf tek or even jars with SHIPs then so be it. They are used for a reason.... if you know someone that has a 50% contamination rate in his SAB, I'd love to know his set-up and technique.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Kalistis]
#22488060 - 11/06/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kalistis said: I can't imagine doing all the agar work I do without a SAB. I have very low contamination rate when I pour and complete my work in my SAB. In fact, my last 2 contaminated plates were from cloned tissue and I think I used too much.... had nothing to do with introducing contaminant to the plates through the air.
I think you could probably get by without a SAB if you never plan on fully experiencing most aspects of this hobby. If you are content with MS syringes and pf tek or even jars with SHIPs then so be it. They are used for a reason.... if you know someone that has a 50% contamination rate in his SAB, I'd love to know his set-up and technique.
That video that was recently posted of that dude cutting up his cakes with a flame sterilized butcher knife that he cooled down with his breath in open air probably has a 50% success rate...lol
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22488087 - 11/06/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LOL! He actually blew on it. Nice. Why not ejaculate on it? That's gotta be more sterile.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22488236 - 11/06/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: That video that was recently posted of that dude cutting up his cakes with a flame sterilized butcher knife that he cooled down with his breath in open air probably has a 50% success rate...lol
He could literally have pissed on it and been better off
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: cronicr]
#22488273 - 11/06/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: who cares, if noobs started using sabs and following instructions all of us regulars would be having this convo in the pub, let them learn the hard way or we become useless
I didn't use a sab or agar for like 3 years. Betcha guys didn't know that. Wow what a difference the switch made. Never looking back!
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? *DELETED* [Re: Mad Season]
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DampMushroom said: It took me all yeear before realizing what I lacked - a sab. I litteraly thought cakes were the shit haha. One issue I can't seem to find any solution while working is how tf to get a fine mist of bleach without watering down the foamy lysol I got on hand. Which brand of bleach should I use that does not foam like crazy?
What? Where are you spraying all of that...
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: LocN9ne]
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LOL I don't put shit in mine. I know people say, "Hey spray the walls with a dilute bleach solution to attract dust and free floating contaminants. BUT I clean it out before use then I let my box sit for 30 minutes before using it, so nothing should be floating.
But to answer your question.... you could just take an empty spray bottle and make a 1:10 dilution of bleach and use that. Don't use pure bleach.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Kalistis]
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Sounds good to me. There's some who just work in dry boxes. I just find it really easy to spray with soapy water lol. I got it so I just use it
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Mad Season]
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I don't think my box is totally dry (insert that's what she said joke here), because I do spray it before I set it up. I wipe it out, but the walls are still kinda moist with the disinfectant.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Kalistis]
#22488543 - 11/06/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kalistis said: LOL I don't put shit in mine. I know people say, "Hey spray the walls with a dilute bleach solution to attract dust and free floating contaminants. BUT I clean it out before use then I let my box sit for 30 minutes before using it, so nothing should be floating.
But to answer your question.... you could just take an empty spray bottle and make a 1:10 dilution of bleach and use that. Don't use pure bleach.
Who told you to use bleach? Just curious...soapy water seems to be the consensus view.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? *DELETED* [Re: LocN9ne]
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2% bleach solution is the standard dilution used in labs, etc.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: LocN9ne]
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I'm not using bleach. I was just suggesting if he was using bleach and was trying to avoid a mess to dilute it, but now that I have re-read his initial post, it sounds like he makes the walls of his SAB foamy with Lysol (which I didn't know was possible) then is spraying it with bleach? Maybe OP can provide a little clarity.
I have used dawn diluted in warm water, windex, and some other cleaners to clean the SAB beofre I set it up, but I haven't bothered to spay the walls leaving a light mist on the walls once it is set up.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Kalistis]
#22488573 - 11/06/15 10:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I heard ammonia and bleach is pretty good at killing shit in small areas.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: micro]
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micro said: 2% bleach solution is the standard dilution used in labs, etc.
Correct- although most labs have use to other viricides and bactericides for primary disinfectant purposes.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Kalistis]
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I did several PF Tek grows without a SAB. Did three grows about a decade ago without a PC, one went green, the other two produced enough for me and my roommates. Did a few more over the past year using PF Tek Done Right with a PC but still no SAB and all went fine, but with low-moderate yields. I'm doing Frank's 12 easy steps right now and constructed my SAB and lids tonight. Out of town for the next couple days, then I just need to construct my monotubs and I'll be ready to start
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22488593 - 11/06/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: I heard ammonia and bleach is pretty good at killing shit in small areas.
The gas produced is no joke. But hopefully OP is not actually mixing ammonia and bleach. But he could clean a surface with an ammonia based product followed by a bleach based product without harm. I don't see why he would want to, just don't spray them on each other.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Kalistis]
#22488598 - 11/06/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: I heard ammonia and bleach is pretty good at killing shit in small areas.
Mustard gas.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: thebug76]
#22489399 - 11/07/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kal you don't even leave the mist on the sides? Regular water on the sides of the tub has gotta be like 10x better than nothing.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole] 1
#22489449 - 11/07/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My first priority was to build a SAB . I felt like i was just going to be wasting my time if i didn't have one
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Leatus]
#22489495 - 11/07/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Leatus said: My first priority was to build a SAB . I felt like i was just going to be wasting my time if i didn't have one
I don't know what's keeping everyone else from having this impression.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole]
#22489511 - 11/07/15 08:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't understand why someone would cheap out on such an easy to do and hella beneficial part of their grow. A cheap SAB takes hardly a few minutes to make.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Leatus]
#22489527 - 11/07/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most of the vets here didn't start with an SAB and learned the hard way. I am sincerely pretty jealous of all the folks who come in and get it right the first time. I fucked with spore syringes in open air with SHIPs for like a year or two before I made a SAB, and then it took another year or so to start with agar.
Or you could skip all that, and be as good as most of us are at growing, by just listening for a week. Glad there are people who choose the better option there.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole]
#22489551 - 11/07/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey Innoc what size is your sab. Looks tall but not very big. How much can you fit in there an work comfortably. I got a 109 qt. It's plenty big but not very tall. I've hit the top of it more times than I can remember, doing g2g. I've been thinking of making a new one, with plastic hanging from a shelf that sits over a dresser. I'd have plenty of room then, but it would be in my cellar. It's not a finished basement, I have put monos down there with success, but that's a different story.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Hook420]
#22489557 - 11/07/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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108qt. A balance of tallness and wideness is good. Gotta have enough room to put one jar on top of another at least. I think I can stack 3 quarts or so before hitting the ceiling. You can see the size scale with the quart jars and dehydrator next to it.
I think a tall box is also a benefit because contams naturally move toward the bottom, and if you lift your work up slowly toward the top before opening it, it's clean as fuck up there. Since I open my pasty plates and stuff sideways I always lift them up high first.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole] 1
#22489600 - 11/07/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I violently stalked Shroomery (most accurate way to put it) for weeks before my inoculation . after my inoculation . while waiting for colonization . and when they finally pinned I've been on Shroomery multiple times a day everyday .
Im not sure if i wanted to make sure i did it right or if i was just horrified of the thought of growing mold/bacteria
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Leatus]
#22489622 - 11/07/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I misted the sides last night before I poured 40 plates of MEA.
I also knocked over a sleeve afterwards. About 10 have air bubbles. Stupid. Clumsy. Ass.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Kalistis]
#22489636 - 11/07/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am terrible clumsy when im handing mushrooms or anything related idk why . when im moving things around in my chamber i feel like im always on the brink of slipping and slapping a cake across the room.
or when im inoculating im going to miss the hole in the lid and mainline mushroom spores on accident.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: YaMoonSun]
#22489672 - 11/07/15 08:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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YaMoonSun said: Guilty; I didn't make mine until last week, and I've been here a solid year.
Nuff said.
Just because you dont use a SAB doesn't mean you are doomed to fail. Sure you get more contams than working in a SAB but nothing close to the 90% contam rate that OP claims. Granted a SAB is better than a clean closet just as a hood is better than a SAB. Second quote in OP's thread is me and he conveniently left out the part where I said that good tubs here are not as easy to find as one might think and that I would rather do my work in a SAB if only I had a good one to work with. Took me 3 supermarket trips to find my 50litre tub (Which is pretty much all the good supermarkets when living in a 300kmsq country) which is pretty much useless for sucking up LC or G2G. As I told OP I am having pretty good results while being extra careful with my inoculations. Im sure im not the only one.
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50L is really small for a SAB.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole]
#22489722 - 11/07/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea unfortunately they don't make shit simple anymore lol. I mean whats wrong with straight transparent lids?
Edit: but I had to buy one for agar and at least it fits a whiskey bottle or else I would have had to throw that shit off the roof
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Why do you need a transparent lid? I have exactly 0 tubs with transparent lids, for anything.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole]
#22489856 - 11/07/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea I wouldn't mind it if the lid was straight. If it was one or the other it wouldn't be a prob. But both is a freaking PITA. You cant work with it right side up cos you cant see and you can't work with it upside down cos ull end up knocking everything over.
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I have an 108qt and the lid lays out just fine. I only knocked my plates over after I took them out of the SAB.
I think the larger it is, the better the lid lays out on a flat surface.
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Have you not.. looked at my SAB? It has no lid. Are you seriously letting lids be a limiting factor?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771
Moist towel catches contams and serves as a fine floor. No splashing or reverberations either.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole]
#22491099 - 11/07/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole]
#22491104 - 11/07/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I took the lid off my SAB and put a window in it and used it for a monotub instead. My first SAB had arm holes in the lid, that wasn't the best design overall because of the incline.
The 108qt tub incidentally has the same lid dimensions as the 75qt or whatever it is, came in handy for me at least.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole]
#22491430 - 11/07/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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How the hell did I miss something so simple. Godam gotta rate you for this
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Inocuole]
#22491679 - 11/07/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771
we have the same misting bottle how exciting. I used it to mist my sub on the last grow but it's not fine enough, now it's purpose is to spray my box. Do you put soap in it?
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The extra insurance the SAB adds is worth every penny to me. Nothing sucks more that inoculating, waiting a week or two, then finding contaminates on your cakes. I'm not saying an SAB will take care of everything, but I'll take what ups I can get in this hobby.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Zuul]
#22492491 - 11/07/15 07:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes definitely. Hell if only I had the cash to get a hood I'd make a bonfire out of my SAB. Even though id have to make another one for contaminated plates lol. My 50l SAB infuriates me that much.
Hopefully with what Inocuole just shown me I can go buy a big ass one now. Hopefully under 50euro . Im always amazed at the prices most people get their totes at
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I wouldn't get rid of an SAB just because I had a hood. I wouldn't use it as much but a SAB is always usefull.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22492564 - 11/07/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea ud still need it for contaminated plates I guess. But I wouldn't use it if I could. Dang thing is so uncomfortable and hard to see in. With a hood there is nothing restricting your view.
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I did my first sixth months of grows in this.
 What is so hard about making a box with holes?
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Yes it is more ergonomic. But you still can't be sloppy with procedure. An SAB is pretty forgiving.
You rocking a hood now tiger?
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22492615 - 11/07/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm seems like it was hard for you judging from the pic 
Nah didnt say it was hard to make. Its hard to work in. Not everything mind you but for example making a transfer off a bacteria contaminated plate is hard to see. I end up peeking through the arm holes holding my breath lol.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22492633 - 11/07/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm still waiting for the research to come back on a shmuvbox effectiveness before I pay $400 for a blower behind a HEPA filter. If I go for a hood it's going to be actual laminar-flow and I'm going to have a dedicated room to put it in. (This might actually be happening soon )
I've been using the shmuv for a year now. Lately, I have not had contamination that I can't explain through my own technique.
You can't just keep adding fractions upon fractions of slightly-more clean air to hope it will protect you from your own sloppy human hands.
Technique is everything.
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Hey tiger I'm working on an addition to the tiger drop that I think you will like. Like tiger drop with a precision shotgun
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#22492805 - 11/07/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Hey tiger I'm working on an addition to the tiger drop that I think you will like. Like tiger drop with a precision shotgun 
Can't wait to see the tek!
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elasticaltiger said: I did my first sixth months of grows in this.

What is so hard about making a box with holes? 
It's beautiful.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22492954 - 11/07/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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elasticaltiger said: I did my first sixth months of grows in this.

What is so hard about making a box with holes? 
It's beautiful.
Yah the hole on the right looks like a ducks head from birds eye view lol.
Luckily I used a big metal can to burn holes in mine before I learned how brittle these plastic boxes are whilst doing sgfc. Ended up using solder on that one too.
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elasticaltiger said: I did my first sixth months of grows in this.

What is so hard about making a box with holes? 
It's beautiful.
Yah the hole on the right looks like a ducks head from birds eye view lol.
Luckily I used a big metal can to burn holes in mine before I learned how brittle these plastic boxes are whilst doing sgfc. Ended up using solder on that one too.
The one time I used a can on a stove to burn a hole in things I can honestly say it was one of the worst mycology decisions I ever made.
I knew there would be fumes of plastic smoke so I set a the 105qt tote right next to the open screen door (completely open).
The cloud of plastic fumes that ensued made me cough. Then it set off the smoke alarm in three bedrooms. I have never coughed so hard while getting all my smoke detectors to shut up.
I don't know what I did wrong but the reaction between the hot metal and the sterilite tub was on par for the most cancer-ous causing moment of my life. I've gotten a CT scan of my lungs (with my obama care) every six months since then. I said that lung cancer ran in my family(it does) and explained my history of smoking. I needed it as 'preventative care'. Insurance companies will gladly pay a thousand dollars now if it will save them 20,000 dollars in the next 10 years.
The point of the story is I will happily get a sore arm from hacking at a clear tote with a steak knife for an hour before I ever burn a hole in a tote.
Also if you're going to do the hole burning method take the entire project completely outside because you will get cancer if you don't. Something tells me Supalemonhaze's experience was positive so he probably did it outside.
Also Supalemonhaze! SAB's are annoying to work in! 
Behold! My Burnt-hole SAB became a cat-fortress!
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Edited by elasticaltiger (11/07/15 10:51 PM)
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Guilty. I just do it open air in the corner of my kitchen after I clean everything. Works pretty good, maybe 95% of the time..
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Diamonds808]
#22493541 - 11/07/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to g2g and shit in open air. I don't think inoculation is so bad in open air.. But IMO what's the point if its so easy to make, and work in a sab (very clean environment too). But anything like g2g, lcs, and agar should definitely be done in a sab.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Mad Season]
#22493579 - 11/07/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: azur]
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You can't say that shit until next week when I pick up that hood you turned me onto...
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Diamonds808]
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elasticaltiger said: I did my first sixth months of grows in this.

What is so hard about making a box with holes? 
It's beautiful.
Yah the hole on the right looks like a ducks head from birds eye view lol.
Luckily I used a big metal can to burn holes in mine before I learned how brittle these plastic boxes are whilst doing sgfc. Ended up using solder on that one too.
The one time I used a can on a stove to burn a hole in things I can honestly say it was one of the worst mycology decisions I ever made.
I knew there would be fumes of plastic smoke so I set a the 105qt tote right next to the open screen door (completely open).
The cloud of plastic fumes that ensued made me cough. Then it set off the smoke alarm in three bedrooms. I have never coughed so hard while getting all my smoke detectors to shut up.
I don't know what I did wrong but the reaction between the hot metal and the sterilite tub was on par for the most cancer-ous causing moment of my life. I've gotten a CT scan of my lungs (with my obama care) every six months since then. I said that lung cancer ran in my family(it does) and explained my history of smoking. I needed it as 'preventative care'. Insurance companies will gladly pay a thousand dollars now if it will save them 20,000 dollars in the next 10 years.
The point of the story is I will happily get a sore arm from hacking at a clear tote with a steak knife for an hour before I ever burn a hole in a tote.
Also if you're going to do the hole burning method take the entire project completely outside because you will get cancer if you don't. Something tells me Supalemonhaze's experience was positive so he probably did it outside.
Also Supalemonhaze! SAB's are annoying to work in! 
Behold! My Burnt-hole SAB became a cat-fortress!

Lmao loving the cat hideout. I did mine in the garage. It has a pretty high roof and a powerful extractor fan so the fumes didn't really overwhelm me. Didn't use the fan while doig SAB though that took 5 minutes so it didn't bother me enough to switch it on. Now the SGFC on the other hand. Now that took a long ass time of inhaling plastic before I was done so I used all the help I could get .
I wouldn't worry that much about lung cancer from your one time experience with burning plastic. I used to hang out with a friend of mine to help him while he was working (self employed tow truck driver). He would tear all the wires from cars before he sold them for scrap and when he got a good bunch of it he would burn them to get the copper. I never got to checking for any kind of cancer but I don't think cancer is caused so quickly by something unless its like radiation. Im still in my early 20's though so I guess older people especially those that smoke would have a better chance of something going wrong. I would worry more with cigarettes than plastic from your one endeavour. I smoke also so im the last person to give advice about them. Never really managed to quit. Don't think I wanted to quit even when I tried if that makes any sense.
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Diamonds808 said: Guilty. I just do it open air in the corner of my kitchen after I clean everything. Works pretty good, maybe 95% of the time..
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Hah. Thank you for sharing this. Seems like I have someone who can confirm what I told this guy
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No, you are wrong, and you're ignorance is detrimental to noobs who might be reading it. For the lazy noob open air inoculations will work on BRF cakes, but this is only because BRF cakes have a dry layer of verm inside the jar that serves as a filter. It is ridiculous to say that 26 jars will fully colonize after being inoculated in open air. This would never happen, one should expect a >90% contam rate when inoculating in open air.
Said guy just wouldn't listen when I told him its the other way around if you are careful enough. He barely believed that my jars are actually real. Although later he apologised for talking the way he did (so it's all cool now) but I got the feeling that he still thinks open air inoculations are doomed to fail. Honestly I dunno where he got that ratio from. One thing I definitely do not do is swear on something I have no experience in. Even if I know it is right. I still say I never tried it or have a lack of experience in it. How can you be sure of something you never done?
Yeah Mad Season, hopefully now I can get the biggest box in the store and be able to do everything in it including as azur would say it " you could fuck a hooker in it" or something more decorated. . Too bad it's sunday I would go get it right now.
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Re: Are Newbs Not Using SABs? [Re: Srirachi]
#22494432 - 11/08/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can't say that shit until next week when I pick up that hood you turned me onto...
Oh man. I bet you're fucking excited
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