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How often are pesticides in weed?
#22485724 - 11/06/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just began to wonder this.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22485734 - 11/06/15 11:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So far as I know the only pesticides in weed come from the soil and the water. Weed isn't sprayed like commercial foods.
I'd use organic soil myself. Makes the weed more potent
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22485763 - 11/06/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It depends on the grower. The growers I know use lower toxicity and organic pesticides, but you never know if you don't know the grower. Spider mites and powdery mildew are both common problems on indoor and budworms are a common problem on outdoor.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: RanOutOfWeed] 2
#22485807 - 11/06/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: So far as I know the only pesticides in weed come from the soil and the water. Weed isn't sprayed like commercial foods.
I'd use organic soil myself. Makes the weed more potent
Where are you getting your info? Unless you want bud full of spider mites or some shit, there's gonna be some pesticides.
And "organic soil" has nothing to do with it.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22485814 - 11/06/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pesticides not so much. Miticides, tons. Growers are lazy, I used to work at a grow shop and there are multiple miticides that are only safe to use in vegetative because of its nuero toxicity. As many people as I give this warning to many don't follow it because they have a heavy infestation in flowering and don't want to lose the harvest because there greedy. Not only is there miticides with high toxicity that your only supposed to use in veg but people use in flower, you also have to worry about fungicides. If you don't believe me look up the chemicals Avid, Forbid, and Eagle20.
Do yourself a favor, grow your own or start buying very high grade locally grown marijuana. Not all local grown is the best but if its a small grow op there less likely to use harsh chemicals. You don't even want to know what’s on mids.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22485815 - 11/06/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Idk any grower that actually uses pesticides.
If you have powdery mildew, you're fucked. Practically have to restart and sterilize everything.
If they're organic and didn't have to be used during flower, only veg, then I wouldn't care.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22485833 - 11/06/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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how often? more often than you might think. virtually any grower will spray his shit to prevent a big crop loss. its just too much money to lose for most growers
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Herbologist]
#22486038 - 11/06/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Herbologist said: Idk any grower that actually uses pesticides.
If you have powdery mildew, you're fucked. Practically have to restart and sterilize everything.
If they're organic and didn't have to be used during flower, only veg, then I wouldn't care.
Just threw out 3 plants because of this. They were put too close together. I use orgsnice pesticides that contain plant soaps that are anti fungal and anti pest. Also use baking soda in a spray bottle for mold. I think I pretty much cleared tthe problem but it was abitch and a half and I could be wrong and it could totally come back.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Everything] 1
#22486041 - 11/06/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Probably need more vigorous air circulation
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22486049 - 11/06/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Probably need more vigorous air circulation
Like he said you probably need more air circulation and I would go out on a limb to say that your humidity is probably above 50%. When using the device to read humidity make sure its at plant level and not weigh above them. You want to know the conditions of the plants themselves not where your lights are.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22486059 - 11/06/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: It depends on the grower. The growers I know use lower toxicity and organic pesticides, but you never know if you don't know the grower. Spider mites and powdery mildew are both common problems on indoor and budworms are a common problem on outdoor.
I'm curious as to how many people have encountered bud worms, and if they've smoked them. I've found mights a couple times, but worms may as well be an urban legend to me.
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I wish I could say the same. They are terrible for outdoor growers here. I always remove the browned out parts of the buds so I don't smoke them.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22486093 - 11/06/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My last crop was almost completely destroyed by worms. Started with a little under ifty. Wound up with 3.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
#22486457 - 11/06/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Herbologist said: Idk any grower that actually uses pesticides.
If you have powdery mildew, you're fucked. Practically have to restart and sterilize everything.
If they're organic and didn't have to be used during flower, only veg, then I wouldn't care.
Just threw out 3 plants because of this. They were put too close together. I use orgsnice pesticides that contain plant soaps that are anti fungal and anti pest. Also use baking soda in a spray bottle for mold. I think I pretty much cleared tthe problem but it was abitch and a half and I could be wrong and it could totally come back.
The problem is.. Did you take everything out and sterilize your growing area?
One thing I've learned is powder mildew is never truly gone until you harvest/throw away your current plants AND sterilize EVERYTHING. Your other option is keeping it at bay minimally until you can harvest. I was able to do that only once, though.
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nicechrisman said: Probably need more vigorous air circulation
Like he said you probably need more air circulation and I would go out on a limb to say that your humidity is probably above 50%. When using the device to read humidity make sure its at plant level and not weigh above them. You want to know the conditions of the plants themselves not where your lights are.
Another problem is depending on where he received his plants, he may have picked one up that was already infected. That is what happened to me. Someone sold me a clone infected by mildew and I had no idea until it was too late.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Herbologist]
#22486600 - 11/06/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You bring up a good point which created a standard rule. Isolate any plants coming into your garden. I'm not talking just away from the other plants, I'm saying a whole different room. I also always treat my plants with a strong miticide after bringing in any new plants. If i find that I brought something in that is infected with PM then I just trash it. Not worth dealing with and sticks on the plant more than anyone would know even if its not visible any more.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
#22486829 - 11/06/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Id say up to 90% of dispensaries in Colorado are using azadirachtin aka Azamax, Azafuard etc. The problem is that there is a huge difference between an organic-soap pesticide and an organic derived pesticide. It's easy for the "Borg" (aka spider mites) to develop resistance to this stuff. F.E. a grower will spray thier crop and see that it kills them off and think "oh this shit is great". Problem is they only kill 99% and the 1% that remains has a mutation that makes it impossible to kill them with the stuff. When the mite population explodes again growers think they just need to use more. Problem with that is with a concentrated product your already using 10-100X what is necessary to get the job done. Then it gets into the surrounding environment and kills off ALL insects, ladybugs, butterflies, praying manti, bees. Doesn't matter if it's a good bug or not it's dead.
I'm dead convinced its a direct cause of the recent bee population decline. Don't really have the resource to prove it. It's a really shitty Catch 22, and with so many states going legal/medical the problem is only going to get worse. The shits already banned in the UK; but who knows what it would take to get that done here.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: RanOutOfWeed]
#22486879 - 11/06/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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RanOutOfWeed said: So far as I know the only pesticides in weed come from the soil and the water. Weed isn't sprayed like commercial foods.
I'd use organic soil myself. Makes the weed more potent
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nicechrisman said: It depends on the grower. The growers I know use lower toxicity and organic pesticides, but you never know if you don't know the grower. Spider mites and powdery mildew are both common problems on indoor and budworms are a common problem on outdoor.
I'm curious as to how many people have encountered bud worms, and if they've smoked them. I've found mights a couple times, but worms may as well be an urban legend to me.
I have. Couldn't even see them until I harvested they really chowed through some of my colas from the inside.
And yeah I used azamax amongst other things. It's not cheap but works good. It's a lot easier to prevent infestations than stop them so hopefully most commercial growers prevent them with less toxic fungicides and incesticides rather than wait for it to become infested and freak out and use the strong shit as an attempt to salvage their crop.
I was always worried about chemicals in the brick weed I got because I seriously doubt the cartels give a single fuck about anything other than how strong and cheap the incesticides are.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22487007 - 11/06/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://organiccontrol.com/product/trichogramma/
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Trichogramma is an effective destroyer of caterpillars (which are leaf eaters in the larvae stage) and moth eggs. Some of the moth eggs attacked by the Trichogramma are: bollworms, tobacco budworm, codling moth, corn earworm, alfalfa caterpillar, gypsy moth, cutworm and tomato hornworms. Trichogramma are tiny parasites that lay their eggs inside the caterpillar or moth eggs. They hatch and feed on the pest eggs, killing them. Then they emerge as adults to continue the cycle. Each container includes 4,000 eggs.
http://organiccontrol.com/product/predatory-mites/
Edit: Compost tea has bacteria that will knock out powdery mildew
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22487177 - 11/06/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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TLDR I'm sure it's been said but; only shitty growers need/use pesticides. And only shittier growers leave them in the weed.
I've been growing weed and other plants for many many years and have never used a pesticide.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Zombi3]
#22487184 - 11/06/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No weed has pesticides. Most grows are indoor so the risk of bugs n shit is way less. Why, are you worried your weed is contaminated? You sound kinda paranoid mayne
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
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I wouldn't say "no weed has pesticides". Certainly some does. Bugs can get indoors extremely easy.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22487547 - 11/06/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: You have no idea what you are talking about.
yep not all weed is indoor...
growing outdoor pretty much anywhere you pretty much have to use pesticides
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: luvdemboomers]
#22487555 - 11/06/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Even most indoor growers end up treating for spider mites at some point
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MinnesnowtaNice said: No weed has pesticides. Most grows are indoor so the risk of bugs n shit is way less. Why, are you worried your weed is contaminated? You sound kinda paranoid mayne
I am a very paranoid individual.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman] 1
#22488269 - 11/06/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: It depends on the grower. The growers I know use lower toxicity and organic pesticides, but you never know if you don't know the grower. Spider mites and powdery mildew are both common problems on indoor and budworms are a common problem on outdoor.
organic doesnt mean safe or lower toxicity, organic pesticides are broad spectrum pesticides and are often worse than the 'synthetic' pesticides
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22488293 - 11/06/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah every pesticide has potential risks. Even diatomaceous earth which is pretty much inert silica can be extremely harmful if breathed in. It's all about knowing what you are using and how you are using it. I've worked in the garden center industry and sold pesticides for the past 14 years or so, so I'm pretty familiar with most of the common ones. Almost all the organic pesticides have way lower PHIs than the chemical equivalents. Most of them can be used up to the day of harvest.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22488408 - 11/06/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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fox farm organic potting soil is safe i assume i heard miracle grow was bad once from a prophet of mine
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MinnesnowtaNice said: No weed has pesticides
I'm sorry, but that's just incorrect.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Konyap]
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Konyap said: fox farm organic potting soil is safe i assume i heard miracle grow was bad once from a prophet of mine
I wouldn't say miracle grow soil is unsafe, but it is a pretty crappy soil. Not enough aeration in it. Also it has synthetic fertilizer in it, so if you are going organic it wouldn't be suitable.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22488609 - 11/06/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: fox farm organic potting soil is safe i assume i heard miracle grow was bad once from a prophet of mine
I wouldn't say miracle grow soil is unsafe, but it is a pretty crappy soil. Not enough aeration in it. Also it has synthetic fertilizer in it, so if you are going organic it wouldn't be suitable.
Synthetic fertilizers ain't bad at all. Plants can't tell the differece between synthetic nutes over organic nutes.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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Nitrogen is nitrogen miracle gro fertilzers and soils are bad because the don't flush clean. I hate the argument of organic or synthetic, plants do not know. The most that can be said for organic marijuana over synthetic is if its true organic then there wont be synthetic pesticides on it. but as pris as pointed out that doesn’t mean safer.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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I'm sure there are plenty of people who went to college who would make a counter argument to that, but personally I don't really care. I grow mine at home organic when I grow, but I ain't trying to tell anybody else how to grow.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22488640 - 11/06/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Public Health Information System?
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
#22488641 - 11/06/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are ways to grow with everything synthetic and it's better than organic
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22488645 - 11/06/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could argue farther that you have less control over an organic nutrient because it has to fracture to become available to the plant and they don't all fracture at the same rate. Therefore you could have those nutrients fracturing while your flushing where as at least with synthetic nutrients you know the absorption rate and are more predictable for the flush. This is only true with dry organic nutrients though and not liquid organic nuterients.
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Im not sure how often it has pesticides, but i doubt its enough to worry about... And if you are really worried about it, just grow your own lol
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
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Still true for liquid organic. Those fluids are gross and have microbes and smell and look like it came out of someone's ass. Synthetic nutes are clean and odor free and much easier regulated.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22488676 - 11/06/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Organic nutrients go south on the shelf quite a bit. When I worked in a grow shop it wouldn’t be weird to receive a shipment of organic liquid nutes and there all rotten already. They have almost no shelf life to them. Most synthetic nutes last at least 2 years. People gotta understand distributors hold them for much longer than people think before it even hits the shelf in the store.
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Public Health Information System?
Pre harvest interval. It's a figure that dictates how close to harvesting you can use a pesticide.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22488819 - 11/06/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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well the thing with synthetic shit is that when it's all dusty it gets on the buds you're going to smoke that's why tobbacco is radioactive, dust
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That makes no sense. There are dry organics and synthetics. Most people use liquid synthetic nutrients. The powered synthetics are mixed with water any ways. You top dress with dusty organics if you want to talk about dust on the buds.
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Pre harvest interval. It's a figure that dictates how close to harvesting you can use a pesticide.
then it depends on the organic pesticide
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Konyap]
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everything is radioactive, bananas more so than tobacco and it has nothing to do with the pesticides
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22488892 - 11/06/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Definitely worth growing your own. A great pest repellant is high brix gardening with living mineralized soil and nothing from a bottle. Most bottles nutrients kill beneficial microbes which feed the plants by making nutrients in the soil available to the plants roots. The people making these chemical nutrients have the populace fooled into treating their soil like lifeless hydro medium... its twisted. Also with the belief that these poisons can be "flushed" from a plant which is untrue.
Organic soil mixing is harder work by far, but thats where the action's at. Absolutely clean
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#22488901 - 11/06/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I grew outdoors in average 80+ % humidity and never used a single pesticide, only had to pick out a few caterpillars.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
#22488903 - 11/06/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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House and garden, advancewd nutrient, and many many other synthetic nutrients also have beneficial bacteria and myco in them. Organic and synthetic have nothing to do with amounts of micro life in them.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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nicechrisman said: Almost all the organic pesticides have way lower PHIs than the chemical equivalents.
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Pre harvest interval. It's a figure that dictates how close to harvesting you can use a pesticide.
then it depends on the organic pesticide
Very few organic pesticides have more than a one day PHI. You can try to debate me on this, but you are going to lose. I've been selling pesticides for 14 years.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
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Microbes aren't needed in synthetic that's a waste of money. I did lab research on this. year long trials with massive cucumber crops. the shit with microbes and other bullshit performed worse than the salt based synthetic fetrilizers.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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Until your talking about the difference between sterile res and living bene res. The hydrocloric acid and h2o2 leave a harsh flavor. Where as rather than having an absent reservoir which can be infected in no time by bad bacteria you can just add benes and then you don't have to have the high salt content from the sanitizers. Not to mention that the microbes in soil help correct PH and have nitrogen fixing abilitys. Thats not even talking about the fact how they help with nutrient and water uptake. Microbes have alot of effect on everything and make a big difference. Thats why great white can make the claims they make when it comes to improving yield. As long as your not using a synthtic that will kill the microbes (some synthetics aren't compatible) you will see an increase in yield with microbes.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
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If using h202, h2o2 breaks down so fast it'll never make it to or change any flavor. It breaks down into oxygen and water.
We have absolute control over the Ph and keep it at the best contraction specific to the plant.
H2o2 hels bring oxygen to the roots. Roots love oxygen and need it to absorb nutrients. Nitrogen fixing is not necessary in synthetic because we use the form of nitrogen that roots can absorb. NO3: nitrate.
Organic and microbe bullshit works bad because you can't rely on living organisms to do what you want all the time.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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If using h202, h2o2 breaks down so fast it'll never make it to or change any flavor. It breaks down into oxygen and water.
We have absolute control over the Ph and keep it at the best contraction specific to the plant.
H2o2 hels bring oxygen to the roots. Roots love oxygen and need it to absorb nutrients. Nitrogen fixing is not necessary in synthetic because we use the form of nitrogen that roots can absorb. NO3: nitrate.
Organic and microbe bullshit works bad because you can't rely on living organisms to do what you want all the time.
h2o2 can only give so much oxygen to the water because water can only hold so much oxygen based on temperature and you should be oxygenating your water any ways. I have done side by side grows using sterile reservoir with h2o2 and using a living reservoir (I have multiple systems). Side by side same run, same conditions, same time, same strain. I have no scientific evidence to support my findings but the one that was grown in the living res compared to the sterile was noticeably more flavourful. I've always chalked it up to salt content, I have nothing to support that. Your point on nitrogen is solid I have nothing to add there I have never relied on microbes for nitrogen fixing.Quote:
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In the end as I'm sure you know there are
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If using h202, h2o2 breaks down so fast it'll never make it to or change any flavor. It breaks down into oxygen and water.
We have absolute control over the Ph and keep it at the best contraction specific to the plant.
H2o2 hels bring oxygen to the roots. Roots love oxygen and need it to absorb nutrients. Nitrogen fixing is not necessary in synthetic because we use the form of nitrogen that roots can absorb. NO3: nitrate.
Organic and microbe bullshit works bad because you can't rely on living organisms to do what you want all the time.
h2o2 can only give so much oxygen to the water because water can only hold so much oxygen based on temperature and you should be oxygenating your water any ways. I have done side by side grows using sterile reservoir with h2o2 and using a living reservoir (I have multiple systems). Side by side same run, same conditions, same time, same strain. I have no scientific evidence to support my findings but the one that was grown in the living res compared to the sterile was noticeably more flavourful. I've always chalked it up to salt content, I have nothing to support that. Your point on nitrogen is solid I have nothing to add there I have never relied on microbes for nitrogen fixing.
In the end as I'm sure you know there are 1000 different ways to accomplish the same thing. As long as your pulling 1 gram per watt best method is all opinion.
edit- sorry I have no idea what I did, I can't do computers.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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So in what US regions is powdery mildew most prevalent, everywhere? I grew for a solid 15 years in when back east and I don't recall ever dealing with it (on weed). Admittedly it was usually a small op - 2-3 400 HPS for flowering, and I usually had in-room climate control with a dedicated dehumidifier that ran at least 12 hours, and AC if needed. (We did occasionally see a little cobweb but usually that just indicated laziness had asserted itself on chores and care.
Now mites . . . I hate those fuckers. Though they really only ever became a problem if I was lazy or let things crowd. Usually I would just hit them hard in veg with potassium salts of fatty acids, and a few home brews on occasion. If I made sure they were clean headed into flower I could do one or two treatments before the buds started popping and be good, but it had to be thorough.
I had been known to rinse the plants at times, especially if I was forced to knock back an explosion or treated later then week two or so (never much later that that). After treatment I would either cover the pot with a cloth and submerge the whole plant in water and gently agitate, and then dip in a second clean rinse, or in my favorite spot I had an open shower/drain nearby and a very gentle sprayer attached to the shower head on a hose.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Void_Hawk]
#22489479 - 11/07/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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People mostly only have mildew problems if their humidity is too high and they have inadequate air circulation.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Patlal]
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I had a "friend" who would insist white widow gets you so high because a special type of white mold would grow on it that gets you high. I kept telling him otherwise. I still don't know if he was just fucking with me or he really was that stupid.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Konyap]
#22489946 - 11/07/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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I wouldn't say miracle grow soil is unsafe, but it is a pretty crappy soil. Not enough aeration in it. Also it has synthetic fertilizer in it, so if you are going organic it wouldn't be suitable.
Synthetic fertilizers ain't bad at all. Plants can't tell the differece between synthetic nutes over organic nutes.
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Plants can't tell the difference, but soils can. Chemical fertilizers are in the form of salts. The plants will gladly take them up and use them, but they build up salts in the soil over time. not a huge issue for someone growing in pots and replacing their dirt every grow, but a major problem in Agriculture
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22490155 - 11/07/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fair point but only dirty growers reuse soil. Its a really bad habit to get into and can create alot of issues in an indoor grow.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
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I wouldn't say miracle grow soil is unsafe, but it is a pretty crappy soil. Not enough aeration in it. Also it has synthetic fertilizer in it, so if you are going organic it wouldn't be suitable.
Synthetic fertilizers ain't bad at all. Plants can't tell the differece between synthetic nutes over organic nutes.
Source: went to college
Plants can't tell the difference, but soils can. Chemical fertilizers are in the form of salts. The plants will gladly take them up and use them, but they build up salts in the soil over time. not a huge issue for someone growing in pots and replacing their dirt every grow, but a major problem in Agriculture
Source: going to college
You might learn in college that leeching the salts out of the soil is part of soil remediation. Salty soil is not permanent and mostly easily taken care of with enough water.
Leeching costs money though, que the indoor soilless agricultural revolution m
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
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yeah, like i said, its more of a problem for the guy growing your strawberries than for the guy growing your weed
also, try leaching the salts out of land that is below sea level, and let me know how that works out for you
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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You might learn in college that leeching the salts out of the soil is part of soil remediation. Salty soil is not permanent and mostly easily taken care of with enough water.
 Sure, pour enough water on it and it will leach the salts out, but that is a huge waste of fresh water. Some places in the world, don't really have that kind of water to waste.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
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You mighat learn in college that leeching the salts out of the soil is part of soil remediation. Salty soil is not permanent and mostly easily taken care of with enough water.
 Sure, pour enough water on it and it will leach the salts out, but that is a huge waste of fresh water. Some places in the world, don't really have that kind of water to waste.
We've had enough water here in the US to do It for... centuries? no facepalm about that. Other countries having not enough water to do it ain't our problem.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: yeah, like i said, its more of a problem for the guy growing your strawberries than for the guy growing your weed
also, try leaching the salts out of land that is below sea level, and let me know how that works out for you
There's only like 2 places in the world where they farm below sea level. In India.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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head out to California central valley, and tell the farmers there that they have "plenty" of water to flush their fields with.
also, i notice you didn't address the agricultural areas below sea level like the Salton Basin for instance where soil and groundwater salinity only goes up
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22490339 - 11/07/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: head out to California central valley, and tell the farmers there that they have "plenty" of water to flush their fields with.
also, i notice you didn't address the agricultural areas below sea level like the Salton Basin for instance where soil and groundwater salinity only goes up
The Californians are fucked, such is life. The whole state probably won't last another 100-200 years. We have plenty of water in other parfs of the country. And field agriculture is getting phased out anyhow. Like I said, soiless indoor farming is taking over.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
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Pre harvest interval. It's a figure that dictates how close to harvesting you can use a pesticide.
then it depends on the organic pesticide
Very few organic pesticides have more than a one day PHI. You can try to debate me on this, but you are going to lose. I've been selling pesticides for 14 years.
plenty of 'chemical' pesticides also have a 1 day PHI, diflubenzuron for example but an example of one with a 0 day PHI would be pyrithrins and permethrins, that 0 day is actually between 0 and 30, they're considered to be organic but they actually synthesize it in industrial chemical plants, it's too expensive to extract it from flowers. the only reason it's considered organic is because it does occur naturally. do you really want any pesticides in your bud? unlike lettuce and tomatoes, you wont be washing them off... other organic insecticides such as nicotine cannot be used in commercial organic agriculture and it's advised not to use it in home gardens
once again, it depends on the pesticide and just because it says 0 or 1 day it doesnt mean you should consume what ever it's applied to until it's washed
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
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that would be cool, and i am a big proponent of Aquaponic farming. You can check out this thread about it if you want http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22256752/page/2 but until the day comes when we stop irrigating fields to grow crops, soil salinity and water use are going to be major issues.
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pyrethrin is the organic natural form (although it often has Piperonyl butoxide added to it to make it more stable). There are a number of pyrethroids that have been created chemically to work in a similar fashion. It's not just because it's expensive to harvest pyrethrin from the flowers, but also because pyrethrin is very unstable and therefore has a very short duration.
Interestingly, Piperonyl butoxide is a semi synthetic derivitive of safrole, which is a component of MDMA production.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Aquaponics never works well, I've visited research labs of people trying to do it and it's lame. There's always nutrient deficiencies. The fish are piled up in barrels like sardines. They come and see our greenhouse and they wonder how our plants are so green and healthy.
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that thread was more about marine aquaculture than anything else, and there are fish safe n-p-k and micronutes that people use in the reef aquarium trade
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
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On the other hand you could always pasterze the soil to kill mold. Salts will still build up though.
I am cleaning out my closet that I'm growing in. Wiping things down with bleach and using "nuke em" on my plants. Nuke em is organic its mostly citric acid.
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I guess that means organic growers are dirty. if you don't reuse your soil, what do you do with it? just wondering, never done anything but organics.
I feel like your insinuating that you have to reuse soil too be organic. I know growers who reuse soil and those who don't. People who reuse there soil seem to have more lock outs and deficiency’s. I also noticed that people that reused there soil seem to have a more of a bug issue because they carry over that larvae. Personally I get new soil every time. As I've stated before I'm not a big fan of dry organics because of there unpredictable fracturing time so its unpredictable availability. Now I'm also not saying that you cannot get away with reusing soil, you definitely can. I've just noticed better quality and less problems with not reusing. If your getting a gram per watt, and an ounce per gallon of soil at minimum then you should be able to buy new soil every time. To answer your question of what I do with my soil when I'm finished is I till it into my outdoor organic vegetable garden with some amendments. I have a very large vegetable garden.
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Awesome, that's all i was asking! that's also usually what happens to my soil after it's been used long enough. I can't say I've ever had any problems directly related to reusing soil, though. I see what you're saying about how one should be able to buy new soil every time, but personally it's not about cost so much as efficiency and building up the soil, for me.
Sometimes I find myself wondering how many people just throw their old soil, perlite, and vermiculite in the trash. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
No problem, I wasn’t offended or anything, internet is hard to type in the right tone. There's 1000 ways to do the same thing. When I worked at the grow shop I would always ask people what they did with there leftover soil. Most seem to reuse it outdoors in gardens or flowerbeds or give it away to people that do. I did come across a few bigger boys that said they just put it in the dumpster everytime so idk. The silver lining is the myco probably helps the landfill but I don't know anything about that.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200] 2
#22510257 - 11/11/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Growing weed in mass can have a negative impact on the environment. I hope that this generation and the one after can all grow pot and consume in reasonable quantities. I feel like there's no end to the humanity unless we eat the world.
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