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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22490219 - 11/07/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: fox farm organic potting soil is safe i assume i heard miracle grow was bad once from a prophet of mine
I wouldn't say miracle grow soil is unsafe, but it is a pretty crappy soil. Not enough aeration in it. Also it has synthetic fertilizer in it, so if you are going organic it wouldn't be suitable.
Synthetic fertilizers ain't bad at all. Plants can't tell the differece between synthetic nutes over organic nutes.
Source: went to college
Plants can't tell the difference, but soils can. Chemical fertilizers are in the form of salts. The plants will gladly take them up and use them, but they build up salts in the soil over time. not a huge issue for someone growing in pots and replacing their dirt every grow, but a major problem in Agriculture
Source: going to college
You might learn in college that leeching the salts out of the soil is part of soil remediation. Salty soil is not permanent and mostly easily taken care of with enough water.
Leeching costs money though, que the indoor soilless agricultural revolution m
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
#22490224 - 11/07/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, like i said, its more of a problem for the guy growing your strawberries than for the guy growing your weed
also, try leaching the salts out of land that is below sea level, and let me know how that works out for you
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22490246 - 11/07/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You might learn in college that leeching the salts out of the soil is part of soil remediation. Salty soil is not permanent and mostly easily taken care of with enough water.
 Sure, pour enough water on it and it will leach the salts out, but that is a huge waste of fresh water. Some places in the world, don't really have that kind of water to waste.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22490273 - 11/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You mighat learn in college that leeching the salts out of the soil is part of soil remediation. Salty soil is not permanent and mostly easily taken care of with enough water.
 Sure, pour enough water on it and it will leach the salts out, but that is a huge waste of fresh water. Some places in the world, don't really have that kind of water to waste.
We've had enough water here in the US to do It for... centuries? no facepalm about that. Other countries having not enough water to do it ain't our problem.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22490315 - 11/07/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: yeah, like i said, its more of a problem for the guy growing your strawberries than for the guy growing your weed
also, try leaching the salts out of land that is below sea level, and let me know how that works out for you
There's only like 2 places in the world where they farm below sea level. In India.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22490321 - 11/07/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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head out to California central valley, and tell the farmers there that they have "plenty" of water to flush their fields with.
also, i notice you didn't address the agricultural areas below sea level like the Salton Basin for instance where soil and groundwater salinity only goes up
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22490339 - 11/07/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: head out to California central valley, and tell the farmers there that they have "plenty" of water to flush their fields with.
also, i notice you didn't address the agricultural areas below sea level like the Salton Basin for instance where soil and groundwater salinity only goes up
The Californians are fucked, such is life. The whole state probably won't last another 100-200 years. We have plenty of water in other parfs of the country. And field agriculture is getting phased out anyhow. Like I said, soiless indoor farming is taking over.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
#22490352 - 11/07/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pre harvest interval. It's a figure that dictates how close to harvesting you can use a pesticide.
then it depends on the organic pesticide
Very few organic pesticides have more than a one day PHI. You can try to debate me on this, but you are going to lose. I've been selling pesticides for 14 years.
plenty of 'chemical' pesticides also have a 1 day PHI, diflubenzuron for example but an example of one with a 0 day PHI would be pyrithrins and permethrins, that 0 day is actually between 0 and 30, they're considered to be organic but they actually synthesize it in industrial chemical plants, it's too expensive to extract it from flowers. the only reason it's considered organic is because it does occur naturally. do you really want any pesticides in your bud? unlike lettuce and tomatoes, you wont be washing them off... other organic insecticides such as nicotine cannot be used in commercial organic agriculture and it's advised not to use it in home gardens
once again, it depends on the pesticide and just because it says 0 or 1 day it doesnt mean you should consume what ever it's applied to until it's washed
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22490364 - 11/07/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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that would be cool, and i am a big proponent of Aquaponic farming. You can check out this thread about it if you want http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22256752/page/2 but until the day comes when we stop irrigating fields to grow crops, soil salinity and water use are going to be major issues.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#22490387 - 11/07/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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pyrethrin is the organic natural form (although it often has Piperonyl butoxide added to it to make it more stable). There are a number of pyrethroids that have been created chemically to work in a similar fashion. It's not just because it's expensive to harvest pyrethrin from the flowers, but also because pyrethrin is very unstable and therefore has a very short duration.
Interestingly, Piperonyl butoxide is a semi synthetic derivitive of safrole, which is a component of MDMA production.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
#22490401 - 11/07/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: that would be cool, and i am a big proponent of Aquaponic farming. You can check out this thread about it if you want http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22256752/page/2 but until the day comes when we stop irrigating fields to grow crops, soil salinity and water use are going to be major issues.
Aquaponics never works well, I've visited research labs of people trying to do it and it's lame. There's always nutrient deficiencies. The fish are piled up in barrels like sardines. They come and see our greenhouse and they wonder how our plants are so green and healthy.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
#22490413 - 11/07/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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that thread was more about marine aquaculture than anything else, and there are fish safe n-p-k and micronutes that people use in the reef aquarium trade
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
#22492774 - 11/07/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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On the other hand you could always pasterze the soil to kill mold. Salts will still build up though.
I am cleaning out my closet that I'm growing in. Wiping things down with bleach and using "nuke em" on my plants. Nuke em is organic its mostly citric acid.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: sweetpea]
#22509191 - 11/11/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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puff4200 said: Fair point but only dirty growers reuse soil. Its a really bad habit to get into and can create alot of issues in an indoor grow.
I guess that means organic growers are dirty. if you don't reuse your soil, what do you do with it? just wondering, never done anything but organics.
I feel like your insinuating that you have to reuse soil too be organic. I know growers who reuse soil and those who don't. People who reuse there soil seem to have more lock outs and deficiency’s. I also noticed that people that reused there soil seem to have a more of a bug issue because they carry over that larvae. Personally I get new soil every time. As I've stated before I'm not a big fan of dry organics because of there unpredictable fracturing time so its unpredictable availability. Now I'm also not saying that you cannot get away with reusing soil, you definitely can. I've just noticed better quality and less problems with not reusing. If your getting a gram per watt, and an ounce per gallon of soil at minimum then you should be able to buy new soil every time. To answer your question of what I do with my soil when I'm finished is I till it into my outdoor organic vegetable garden with some amendments. I have a very large vegetable garden.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: sweetpea]
#22509409 - 11/11/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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sweetpea said: I wasn't insinuating anything, actually. The "only ever done organics part" was me assuming you were talking about only using soil once in chemical growing, sorry. Of course you don't have to reuse soil to be organic, but it is a common practice. Lol... just making a stupid joke and then inquiring what you do. Kind of like small talk. 
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Awesome, that's all i was asking! that's also usually what happens to my soil after it's been used long enough. I can't say I've ever had any problems directly related to reusing soil, though. I see what you're saying about how one should be able to buy new soil every time, but personally it's not about cost so much as efficiency and building up the soil, for me.
Sometimes I find myself wondering how many people just throw their old soil, perlite, and vermiculite in the trash. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
No problem, I wasn’t offended or anything, internet is hard to type in the right tone. There's 1000 ways to do the same thing. When I worked at the grow shop I would always ask people what they did with there leftover soil. Most seem to reuse it outdoors in gardens or flowerbeds or give it away to people that do. I did come across a few bigger boys that said they just put it in the dumpster everytime so idk. The silver lining is the myco probably helps the landfill but I don't know anything about that.
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Growing weed in mass can have a negative impact on the environment. I hope that this generation and the one after can all grow pot and consume in reasonable quantities. I feel like there's no end to the humanity unless we eat the world.
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