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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22488692 - 11/06/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Almost all the organic pesticides have way lower PHIs than the chemical equivalents.





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Pre harvest interval. It's a figure that dictates how close to harvesting you can use a pesticide.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22488819 - 11/06/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well the thing with synthetic shit is that when it's all dusty it gets on the buds you're going to smoke
that's why tobbacco is radioactive, dust


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Konyap]
    #22488835 - 11/06/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That makes no sense. There are dry organics and synthetics. Most people use liquid synthetic nutrients. The powered synthetics are mixed with water any ways. You top dress with dusty organics if you want to talk about dust on the buds.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22488854 - 11/06/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Almost all the organic pesticides have way lower PHIs than the chemical equivalents.





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Pre harvest interval. It's a figure that dictates how close to harvesting you can use a pesticide.





then it depends on the organic pesticide


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Konyap]
    #22488860 - 11/06/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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well the thing with synthetic shit is that when it's all dusty it gets on the buds you're going to smoke
that's why tobbacco is radioactive, dust





everything is radioactive, bananas more so than tobacco and it has nothing to do with the pesticides

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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
    #22488892 - 11/06/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely worth growing your own. A great pest repellant is high brix gardening with living mineralized soil and nothing from a bottle.
Most bottles nutrients kill beneficial microbes which feed the plants by making nutrients in the soil available to the plants roots.  The people making these chemical nutrients have the populace fooled into treating their soil like lifeless hydro medium... its twisted. 
Also with the belief that these poisons can be "flushed" from a plant which is untrue.

Organic soil mixing is harder work by far, but thats where the action's at.
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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22488901 - 11/06/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I grew outdoors in average 80+ % humidity and never used a single pesticide, only had to pick out a few caterpillars.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #22488903 - 11/06/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

House and garden, advancewd nutrient, and many many other synthetic nutrients also have beneficial bacteria and myco in them. Organic and synthetic have nothing to do with amounts of micro life in them.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22488910 - 11/06/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Almost all the organic pesticides have way lower PHIs than the chemical equivalents.





Public Health Information System?



Pre harvest interval. It's a figure that dictates how close to harvesting you can use a pesticide.





then it depends on the organic pesticide



Very few organic pesticides have more than a one day PHI. You can try to debate me on this, but you are going to lose. I've been selling pesticides for 14 years.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
    #22488913 - 11/06/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Microbes aren't needed in synthetic that's a waste of money. I did lab research on this. year long trials with massive cucumber crops. the shit with microbes and other bullshit performed worse than the salt based synthetic fetrilizers.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
    #22488925 - 11/07/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Until your talking about the difference between sterile res and living bene res. The hydrocloric acid and h2o2 leave a harsh flavor. Where as rather than having an absent reservoir which can be infected in no time by bad bacteria you can just add benes and then you don't have to have the high salt content from the sanitizers. Not to mention that the microbes in soil help correct PH and have nitrogen fixing abilitys. Thats not even talking about the fact how they help with nutrient and water uptake. Microbes have alot of effect on everything and make a big difference. Thats why great white can make the claims they make when it comes to improving yield. As long as your not using a synthtic that will kill the microbes (some synthetics aren't compatible) you will see an increase in yield with microbes.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: puff4200]
    #22488938 - 11/07/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Until your talking about the difference between sterile res and living bene res. The hydrocloric acid and h2o2 leave a harsh flavor. Where as rather than having an absent reservoir which can be infected in no time by bad bacteria you can just add benes and then you don't have to have the high salt content from the sanitizers. Not to mention that the microbes in soil help correct PH and have nitrogen fixing abilitys. Thats not even talking about the fact how they help with nutrient and water uptake. Microbes have alot of effect on everything and make a big difference. Thats why great white can make the claims they make when it comes to improving yield. As long as your not using a synthtic that will kill the microbes (some synthetics aren't compatible) you will see an increase in yield with microbes.




If using h202, h2o2 breaks down so fast it'll never make it to or change any flavor.  It breaks down into oxygen and water.

We have absolute control over the Ph and keep it at the best contraction specific to the plant.

H2o2 hels bring oxygen to the roots. Roots love oxygen and need it to absorb nutrients.  Nitrogen fixing is not necessary in synthetic because we use the form of nitrogen that roots can absorb. NO3: nitrate.

Organic and microbe bullshit works bad because you can't rely on living organisms to do what you want all the time.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
    #22488965 - 11/07/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)






If using h202, h2o2 breaks down so fast it'll never make it to or change any flavor.  It breaks down into oxygen and water.

We have absolute control over the Ph and keep it at the best contraction specific to the plant.

H2o2 hels bring oxygen to the roots. Roots love oxygen and need it to absorb nutrients.  Nitrogen fixing is not necessary in synthetic because we use the form of nitrogen that roots can absorb. NO3: nitrate.

Organic and microbe bullshit works bad because you can't rely on living organisms to do what you want all the time.




h2o2 can only give so much oxygen to the water because water can only hold so much oxygen based on temperature and you should be oxygenating your water any ways. I have done side by side grows using sterile reservoir with h2o2 and using a living reservoir (I have multiple systems). Side by side same run, same conditions, same time, same strain. I have no scientific evidence to support my findings but the one that was grown in the living res compared to the sterile was noticeably more flavourful. I've always chalked it up to salt content, I have nothing to support that. Your point on nitrogen is solid I have nothing to add there I have never relied on microbes for nitrogen fixing.
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Until your talking about the difference between sterile res and living bene res. The hydrocloric acid and h2o2 leave a harsh flavor. Where as rather than having an absent reservoir which can be infected in no time by bad bacteria you can just add benes and then you don't have to have the high salt content from the sanitizers. Not to mention that the microbes in soil help correct PH and have nitrogen fixing abilitys. Thats not even talking about the fact how they help with nutrient and water uptake. Microbes have alot of effect on everything and make a big difference. Thats why great white can make the claims they make when it comes to improving yield. As long as your not using a synthtic that will kill the microbes (some synthetics aren't compatible) you will see an increase in yield with microbes.

In the end as I'm sure you know there are
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Until your talking about the difference between sterile res and living bene res. The hydrocloric acid and h2o2 leave a harsh flavor. Where as rather than having an absent reservoir which can be infected in no time by bad bacteria you can just add benes and then you don't have to have the high salt content from the sanitizers. Not to mention that the microbes in soil help correct PH and have nitrogen fixing abilitys. Thats not even talking about the fact how they help with nutrient and water uptake. Microbes have alot of effect on everything and make a big difference. Thats why great white can make the claims they make when it comes to improving yield. As long as your not using a synthtic that will kill the microbes (some synthetics aren't compatible) you will see an increase in yield with microbes.




If using h202, h2o2 breaks down so fast it'll never make it to or change any flavor.  It breaks down into oxygen and water.

We have absolute control over the Ph and keep it at the best contraction specific to the plant.

H2o2 hels bring oxygen to the roots. Roots love oxygen and need it to absorb nutrients.  Nitrogen fixing is not necessary in synthetic because we use the form of nitrogen that roots can absorb. NO3: nitrate.

Organic and microbe bullshit works bad because you can't rely on living organisms to do what you want all the time.




h2o2 can only give so much oxygen to the water because water can only hold so much oxygen based on temperature and you should be oxygenating your water any ways. I have done side by side grows using sterile reservoir with h2o2 and using a living reservoir (I have multiple systems). Side by side same run, same conditions, same time, same strain. I have no scientific evidence to support my findings but the one that was grown in the living res compared to the sterile was noticeably more flavourful. I've always chalked it up to salt content, I have nothing to support that. Your point on nitrogen is solid I have nothing to add there I have never relied on microbes for nitrogen fixing.

In the end as I'm sure you know there are 1000 different ways to accomplish the same thing. As long as your pulling 1 gram per watt best method is all opinion.

edit- sorry I have no idea what I did, I can't do computers.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
    #22489012 - 11/07/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So in what US regions is powdery mildew most prevalent, everywhere? I grew for a solid 15 years in when back east and I don't recall ever dealing with it (on weed). Admittedly it was usually a small op - 2-3 400 HPS for flowering, and I usually had in-room climate control with a dedicated dehumidifier that ran at least 12 hours, and AC if needed. (We did occasionally see a little cobweb but usually that just indicated laziness had asserted itself on chores and care.

Now mites . . . I hate those fuckers. Though they really only ever became a problem if I was lazy or let things crowd. Usually I would just hit them hard in veg with potassium salts of fatty acids, and a few home brews on occasion. If I made sure they were clean headed into flower I could do one or two treatments before the buds started popping and be good, but it had to be thorough.

I had been known to rinse the plants at times, especially if I was forced to knock back an explosion or treated later then week two or so (never much later that that). After treatment I would either cover the pot with a cloth and submerge the whole plant in water and gently agitate, and then dip in a second clean rinse, or in my favorite spot I had an open shower/drain nearby and a very gentle sprayer attached to the shower head on a hose.

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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Void_Hawk]
    #22489479 - 11/07/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

People mostly only have mildew problems if their humidity is too high and they have inadequate air circulation.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
    #22489493 - 11/07/15 08:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Patlal]
    #22489602 - 11/07/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I had a "friend" who would insist white widow gets you so high because a special type of white mold would grow on it that gets you high. I kept telling him otherwise. I still don't know if he was just fucking with me or he really was that stupid.


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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: Konyap]
    #22489946 - 11/07/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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well the thing with synthetic shit is that when it's all dusty it gets on the buds you're going to smoke
that's why tobbacco is radioactive, dust



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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: trees]
    #22490150 - 11/07/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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fox farm organic potting soil is safe i assume
i heard miracle grow was bad once from a prophet of mine



I wouldn't say miracle grow soil is unsafe, but it is a pretty crappy soil. Not enough aeration in it. Also it has synthetic fertilizer in it, so if you are going organic it wouldn't be suitable.




Synthetic fertilizers ain't bad at all. Plants can't tell the differece between synthetic nutes over organic nutes.

Source: went to college




Plants can't tell the difference, but soils can.  Chemical fertilizers are in the form of salts. The plants will gladly take them up and use them, but they build up salts in the soil over time. not a huge issue for someone growing in pots and replacing their dirt every grow, but a major problem in Agriculture

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Re: How often are pesticides in weed? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22490155 - 11/07/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Fair point but only dirty growers reuse soil. Its a really bad habit to get into and can create alot of issues in an indoor grow.


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