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Meth for the first and last time * 3
    #22485536 - 11/06/15 11:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Holy fuck. Will not buy more, but my god this feels like a constant orgasm.

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse] * 2
    #22485550 - 11/06/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Cowb0yNeal00]
    #22485555 - 11/06/15 11:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Why would you open yourself up to a potential addiction?


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse] * 5
    #22485564 - 11/06/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So many tweekers start out saying they will never do it more than once. I sincerely hope you don't go down this road.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #22485568 - 11/06/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If you like it that much I highly doubt you won't buy more. Good luck.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22485582 - 11/06/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's an addictive substance man good luck and shit not buying more that's like saying (sort of) I just tried crack I'm never buying more when we all know you're already on your way to buy more


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Zombi3]
    #22485610 - 11/06/15 11:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Unexpected guess brought pipe over. Spun me top. Been many years. Never been a problem using once then not for a year or two. Haven't used much for not my choice of highs.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Zombi3]
    #22485618 - 11/06/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well in all honesty I can already tell the crash is gonna kick my ass. A drug that crashes rather than burns off is one my CNS doesnt frequent.

Oxymorphone was this way, fucking stellar snow-white and aspen peaks, but bloody-rust-strewn flaming daggers at the bottom of the mountain. Depression inducing crashes.

This follows that script, the most potent drugs are usually the worst on the comedown, and I am very weary of that. It's how I was able to drop an oxymorphone habbit quite easily.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22485630 - 11/06/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Did you smoke it?


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Alexestalex]
    #22485634 - 11/06/15 11:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Not yet
:giddyasfuck: <- should be something


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Alexestalex] * 7
    #22485661 - 11/06/15 11:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Will not buy more



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Did you smoke it?



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Not yet



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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: JvF]
    #22485708 - 11/06/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

keep it to one or 2 binges a year and you'll be fine, but seriously, be careful, because once you finally fall asleep, you're gonna want more when you wake up.

Also, be aware that after 2 days awake, you probably won't be able to have a coherent conversation with a sober person (though you'll probably sound completely sane to yourself)

i knew a girl who gave her car to a stranger after being up for 11 days.

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22485733 - 11/06/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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keep it to one or 2 binges a year and you'll be fine, but seriously, be careful, because once you finally fall asleep, you're gonna want more when you wake up.

Also, be aware that after 2 days awake, you probably won't be able to have a coherent conversation with a sober person (though you'll probably sound completely sane to yourself)

i knew a girl who gave her car to a stranger after being up for 11 days.

you have been warned



Chipping definitely isn't for everyone.
I'd say keep it to this experience, mouse. Don't let curiousity kill ya :cat:


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Near Dylan]
    #22485769 - 11/06/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

With all drugs, it's the comedown that is the real trick. If you're not prepared for the comedown and hangover it's best to stay away.

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22486253 - 11/06/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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keep it to one or 2 binges a year and you'll be fine, but seriously, be careful, because once you finally fall asleep, you're gonna want more when you wake up.

Also, be aware that after 2 days awake, you probably won't be able to have a coherent conversation with a sober person (though you'll probably sound completely sane to yourself)

i knew a girl who gave her car to a stranger after being up for 11 days.

you have been warned




This still blows my mind every time I hear this. Even with the drugs I could never imagine being awake for 11days straight!!! I enjoy my sleep too much. 

I was just with a friend who said he was up for 36hrs on amphs (probably some other stuff) I don't think i could even handle that.  He did throw me a 30mg adderall for free. It actually just says M Amphet Salts on the capsule. I may just give it to a friend....however I'm also very curious about stimulants I don't have much experience with them.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #22486281 - 11/06/15 01:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #22486303 - 11/06/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have exceedingly little experience with amphetamine salts but I love stimulants. Cocaine, crack, EPH, MPH, caffeine I love. MPH is particularly kickass.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Zombi3]
    #22486307 - 11/06/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

He was telling me to take if before work.....I go to work around 2am but I'm not sure I want to try any drug for the first time in the work place lmao.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Boomer The Great] * 5
    #22486312 - 11/06/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Longest I stayed up was five, six, MAYBE seven days. It's hard to say, everything starts to blend together after that point. Regardless, my point was that I never really enjoyed being up that long. It becomes a vicious cycle of feeling like shit, wanting to sleep but wanting to do more.

Eventually you start to lose the ability to comprehend what is real, and what isn't.

Meth Psychosis is no joke.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22486316 - 11/06/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So many tweekers start out saying they will never do it more than once. I sincerely hope you don't go down this road.




I tried it, there is no high that can surpass it. No accomplishment, no victory, friendship, or love, even heroin pales in comparison.I was smart enough to leave it alone. My two good friends had their lives destroyed by it. I wouldn't fuck with it again personally.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #22486321 - 11/06/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I would personally take Heroin over Meth anyday, that's just my personal preference tho.
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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 4
    #22486333 - 11/06/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Don't smoke it. Don't smoke it. Don't smoke it!!!!

It was never a problem or an addiction until I hit it from the pipe.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OsculateOfDemise] * 1
    #22486345 - 11/06/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'd say the same for crack.
I never had a problem moderating my cocaine intake until I smoked crack. Then I had a hell of a lot of trouble moderating both my cocaine and crack intake.

Don't smoke the meth.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22486447 - 11/06/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

IV meth beat me up pretty good back in the day... hep c, :chaingang:

I don't use any stims stonger than :coffee: these days.
Have fun and don't forget to eat food and stuff:smirk:


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: TNK] * 4
    #22486479 - 11/06/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Meth got rid of her face fat nicely and made her hotter



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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Alexestalex] * 5
    #22486503 - 11/06/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

By god, it also made her an inch or two taller!


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Zombi3] * 2
    #22486545 - 11/06/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't smoke it. Don't smoke it. Don't smoke it!!!!

It was never a problem or an addiction until I hit it from the pipe.





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I'd say the same for crack.
I never had a problem moderating my cocaine intake until I smoked crack. Then I had a hell of a lot of trouble moderating both my cocaine and crack intake.

Don't smoke the meth.







Not very experienced with meth, but IME this seems to be true for just about any stimulant that can be smoked or vaporized. Cocaine isn't too bad to handle, if you're just putting it up your nose and have decent self-control. But crack? Very few people who enjoy that drug can do a little, and not fiend for more like a motherfucker.


In terms of addiction potential with stimulants it goes:


Oral --->  Nasal  --->  Smoke / Vapor / IV


The main factor here is how quickly the shit is getting to your brain. With oral it takes a while, and has to undergo first pass metabolism. (Which has more of an effect with some drugs than with others.) With insufflation (nasal) you are putting it more directly into the bloodstream, but a lot of drugs have a lower bioavailability by this route, and your levels don't go up quite as fast as with the harder routes (though much quicker than oral.)


Smoking or vaporizing a chemical is very close to injecting it right into your veins. It reaches the brain very quickly this way. Actually, IIRC some drugs may hit the brain slightly quicker when smoked, even when compared to IV. Could have sworn this is true for cocaine, but maybe I'm remembering that wrong.



Point being... I don't think some people realize that when you're smoking a drug, you're doing something not-far-off from IV use. Smoking drugs is no joke. I think some of us may think of this a little more casually due to cannabis-- which is most frequently smoked, and is one of the most mild and non-threatening recreational drugs on the market. But when you're dealing with hardcore addictive compounds.... I'd say don't smoke anything that you wouldn't be willing to shoot directly into your fucking veins. :shrug:


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22486737 - 11/06/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
So many tweekers start out saying they will never do it more than once. I sincerely hope you don't go down this road.




I tried it, there is no high that can surpass it. No accomplishment, no victory, friendship, or love, even heroin pales in comparison.I was smart enough to leave it alone. My two good friends had their lives destroyed by it. I wouldn't fuck with it again personally.



Yeah I've seen the lives of several people that were close to me destroyed by it.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22486880 - 11/06/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So, how's the comedown?


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Alexestalex]
    #22489173 - 11/07/15 03:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Still awake what the fuck


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22489186 - 11/07/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Focus on your breathing and listen to some relaxing music.


I'm listening to some Elliot Smith to unwind.



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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Alexestalex]
    #22489400 - 11/07/15 07:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Meth got rid of her face fat nicely and made her hotter






HOTTER? She looks like a crackwhore...


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Shiithead]
    #22489409 - 11/07/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If there was one drug I wish I had never tried it would be meth, hands down

No other chemical has had such a powerful grip on my mind, even years later I still struggle with addiction and staying clean

I believe that being high on meth for so long messed up my brain, my happy receptors just don't work like they used to


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22489423 - 11/07/15 07:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Meth got rid of her face fat nicely and made her hotter






HOTTER? She looks like a crackwhore...




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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22489433 - 11/07/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If there was one drug I wish I had never tried it would be meth, hands down

No other chemical has had such a powerful grip on my mind, even years later I still struggle with addiction and staying clean

I believe that being high on meth for so long messed up my brain, my happy receptors just don't work like they used to




Maybe it's because you were using meth to have fun and/or be happy and now that you've quit your "happy receptors" coincide being happy with using meth. Just my thought. I don't know though, I'm obviously not a doctor of any kind. I hope things get better for you.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: nicechrisman] * 3
    #22489445 - 11/07/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Meth always seemed the most unstabe of the hard drugs. Opiate addicts are very sick people on a major rollercoaster, but at least when they are well and have their drugs they come off as relatively normal.

Tweakers on the other hand are babbling psychopaths when they have their drugs. I swore off meth after I got psychosis for a whole week from one night of partying. I can accept craziness for a day or two, but being insane for a week fuck that. Then there was the time I went blind from it.

All heroin/oxy ever did was make me really dopesick, atleast I wasn't talking to imaginary people for days.

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22489450 - 11/07/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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OhMrJohnson said:
If there was one drug I wish I had never tried it would be meth, hands down

No other chemical has had such a powerful grip on my mind, even years later I still struggle with addiction and staying clean

I believe that being high on meth for so long messed up my brain, my happy receptors just don't work like they used to




Maybe it's because you were using meth to have fun and/or be happy and now that you've quit your "happy receptors" coincide being happy with using meth. Just my thought. I don't know though, I'm obviously not a doctor of any kind. I hope things get better for you.




Honestly the first time I tried meth I tried it because of the novelty factor

I was curious, I wanted to see for myself if what everyone said about it was actually true

Little did I know that by trying it I opened a door and now that door can never be shut


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson] * 1
    #22489468 - 11/07/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Shit... I'm never trying meth. :uhoh:

I know that meth is similar to amphetamines but does meth act more than just a stimulant? I ask because I've seen people on videos and what not acting really koo-koo... almost as if they were on a bad (psychedelic) trip or something.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson] * 1
    #22489475 - 11/07/15 07:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ive done about 3 grams in my life then stopped and don't do it anymore
If you believe you can't stop then its a self fulfilling prophecy
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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22489505 - 11/07/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Shit... I'm never trying meth. :uhoh:

I know that meth is similar to amphetamines but does meth act more than just a stimulant? I ask because I've seen people on videos and what not acting really koo-koo... almost as if they were on a bad (psychedelic) trip or something.




Meth is king of the stimulants

What other chemical can keep a man awake for a week straight and drive him completely insane along the way?

I never went that far with it but I know people who did, my buddy would smoke the shit for 4 days straight then pass out hard as fuck for 16 hours at a time, waking him up was like trying to wake up a corpse

But some people seem to be able to use it responsibly.. I am not one of those people nor do I think is most anyone else, it's very difficult to bear witness to the sheer power and euphoria without finding yourself hooked like a fish


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22489522 - 11/07/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think the longest I ever stayed up was 5 days. I was hallucinating off my ass. Not good kind of hallucinating. I'm very glad I was able to put it down and leave it behind many years ago. I had some friends and a brother who weren't able to.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22489523 - 11/07/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22489538 - 11/07/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the longest I ever stayed up was 5 days. I was hallucinating off my ass. Not good kind of hallucinating. I'm very glad I was able to put it down and leave it behind many years ago. I had some friends and a brother who weren't able to.




I've been trying to figure out how to really do that for years now

For the most part I think it comes down to who you hang out with

If you're around people doing crystal you're gonna do crystal, that's just the way of the world

That's why it's imperative to identify those situations and remove myself from them as quickly as possible but it's hard breaking away from old friends even if they are making you miserable


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22489559 - 11/07/15 08:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It took moving to another state to get clean for me. I think it definitely depends on your environment and state of mind. Being back around my family and having their support definitely helped as well. I never ever wanted to bring that shit or be high around them. Also being away from my boyfriend in which we got into the addiction together so when one slipped usually the other did as well. I relapsed one time after moving and I had such a miserable time, and became so physically ill afterwards I swore it off good and for all.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
    #22489566 - 11/07/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah the guilt tears me up when I do it these days especially during the crash

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22489574 - 11/07/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That shit sure did fuck up my brain for a while even after I quit.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22489582 - 11/07/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah same here, I think it takes a heavier toll on the brain than other drugs simply because it keeps you awake for so long and gives you a shitload of artificial energy that you shouldn't have

It can get to a point where you aren't even in control of it anymore, you just hit the pipe compulsively over and over again and drive yourself further and further under.. it's a miserable way to go


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson] * 3
    #22489631 - 11/07/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If there was one drug I wish I had never tried it would be meth, hands down

No other chemical has had such a powerful grip on my mind, even years later I still struggle with addiction and staying clean

I believe that being high on meth for so long messed up my brain, my happy receptors just don't work like they used to




Look into n-acetylcysteine. It's an over the counter supplement for liver health that happens to have a lot of promise re-balancing dopamine & glutamine levels. It's used IV in the ER to treat Tylenol overdoses, and had more recently been used to treat recovering cocaine, amphetamine, and methamphetamine addicts due to it's effect on dopamine & glutamate. It can help the brain recover from stimulant abuse.  It's also being used for depression.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22489635 - 11/07/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Sheekle] * 1
    #22489786 - 11/07/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The sad thing is even after all this badrep bout meth
Id still be down to try it..


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: SunnyD]
    #22489829 - 11/07/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The sad thing is even after all this badrep bout meth
Id still be down to try it..





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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22489844 - 11/07/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So many tweekers start out saying they will never do it more than once. I sincerely hope you don't go down this road.




I tried it, there is no high that can surpass it. No accomplishment, no victory, friendship, or love, even heroin pales in comparison.I was smart enough to leave it alone. My two good friends had their lives destroyed by it. I wouldn't fuck with it again personally.




I disagree. Maybe because I was already heavily addicted to RX amphetamines the first time I smoked it. It wasn't nearly as good as people make it out to be. It was way too dirty feeling for me after using pure D amphetamine for so long. I mean the rush was awesome, but the rush of IV heroin was so much better. Just my opinion though.

Watch out for that shit also. Its incredibly addicting, lost a whole year of my life to amphs :nonono:


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Sheekle]
    #22489847 - 11/07/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
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If there was one drug I wish I had never tried it would be meth, hands down

No other chemical has had such a powerful grip on my mind, even years later I still struggle with addiction and staying clean

I believe that being high on meth for so long messed up my brain, my happy receptors just don't work like they used to




Look into n-acetylcysteine. It's an over the counter supplement for liver health that happens to have a lot of promise re-balancing dopamine & glutamine levels. It's used IV in the ER to treat Tylenol overdoses, and had more recently been used to treat recovering cocaine, amphetamine, and methamphetamine addicts due to it's effect on dopamine & glutamate. It can help the brain recover from stimulant abuse.  It's also being used for depression.




Wow, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the info brother
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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: SunnyD]
    #22489870 - 11/07/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The sad thing is even after all this badrep bout meth
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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #22489891 - 11/07/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I always preferred heroin as well, and rush of IV cocaine as well. That's super short lived in general, especially when compared to meth...but the rush is unreal. I never IV'd meth though, and I hear that's a different ballgame than other ROAs. I always smoked & snorted meth when I did it. Always a combo of the two; do a line, then hit the pipe, or hit the pipe & then do a line. I never got too into it, but I most definitely enjoyed it a lot. I did it several times, that's it. Most I stayed up was for was 3 days. That wasn't a big deal, because I was a junkie at the time, and would often run out of money & dope. I would be awake for days while dopesick, so I was used to it. Being awake on meth was actually enjoyable. I never really crashed ether, cause as it would be wearing off on that 3rd day I'd do some heroin & sink into bliss. Those two combined well. I IV'd methylone as well. That rush was nuts, and that comedown was awful. Went on a bender with it, and good lord was the next day terrible.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22489904 - 11/07/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I gotta say having sex on meth would be absolutely amazing

But sex on LSD with someone truly special would be better on so many levels


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
    #22489910 - 11/07/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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It took moving to another state to get clean for me. I think it definitely depends on your environment and state of mind. Being back around my family and having their support definitely helped as well. I never ever wanted to bring that shit or be high around them. Also being away from my boyfriend in which we got into the addiction together so when one slipped usually the other did as well. I relapsed one time after moving and I had such a miserable time, and became so physically ill afterwards I swore it off good and for all.




I can totally relate, I didn't move states but I moved to the opposite side of my state and cut a bunch of friends from my life. Even had to cut my girlfriend of 10 years because she was apart of the toxicity.

Seems like the only success stories ive heard are from people who completely removed themselves from their environment.

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22489918 - 11/07/15 09:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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SunnyD said:
The sad thing is even after all this badrep bout meth
Id still be down to try it..




Don't



You know how I is with drugs homeslice


that dont wont work :frown:
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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: SunnyD]
    #22489937 - 11/07/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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SunnyD said:
The sad thing is even after all this badrep bout meth
Id still be down to try it..




Don't



You know how I is with drugs homeslice


that dont wont work :frown:
im too intrigued and im well aware of the risks wi th drugs




You don't know what you'd be potentially getting yourself into

Like I said, once that door is open, it cannot be shut ever again, period

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: danielx] * 1
    #22489975 - 11/07/15 10:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Actually my success story comes from staying in the same environment & working on myself. Moving across the country didn't do shit. I brought myself with me. Drugs aren't the problem; they're a symptom of the problem that wind up becoming a major problem of their own down the line. If you don't get to the root of the issue, and work on what made you abuse drugs in the first place you'll continue to be self-destructive, whether it's with drugs or not.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star] * 1
    #22489990 - 11/07/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If it's clean meth it's good for you. Lots of the German Nazi soldiers that were on it daily lived long into their old age.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: trees] * 2
    #22490022 - 11/07/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I doubt they were taking anywhere near as much as the average tweaker does


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: trees] * 1
    #22490032 - 11/07/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If it's clean meth it's good for you. Lots of the German Nazi soldiers that were on it daily lived long into their old age.



that doesn't mean it's good for you, and using the nazis as an example of healthy people is a joke.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22490040 - 11/07/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i'm about to take a fat rip for you :meff:

but, dancing with tina can be quite detrimental.... tread carefully.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: sanchothestoner] * 1
    #22490045 - 11/07/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My friend got promoted at work the day he went to work on meth. It's definitely worth the money.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: trees] * 1
    #22490062 - 11/07/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My friend got promoted at work the day he went to work on meth. It's definitely worth the money.



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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Sheekle]
    #22490103 - 11/07/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My friend got promoted at work the day he went to work on meth. It's definitely worth the money.



i'm just gonna assume you're trolling



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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Sheekle]
    #22490106 - 11/07/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My friend got promoted at work the day he went to work on meth. It's definitely worth the money.



i'm just gonna assume you're trolling




Not kidding about this one. He worked at a car repair shop and he was so on top of shit that day, everyone was so impressed, they promoted him at the end of the day. He was so amped on working n getting shit done because he took that meth hit before he left for work.


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    #22490111 - 11/07/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My friend got promoted at work the day he went to work on meth. It's definitely worth the money.



i'm just gonna assume you're trolling




Not kidding about this one. He worked at a car repair shop and he was so on top of shit that day, everyone was so impressed, they promoted him at the end of the day. He was so amped on working n getting shit done because he took that meth hit before he left for work.



I believe that he was promoted on meth. I don't believe you honestly think it's "worth the money" and that Nazis are an example of why "meth is good for you."


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: trees]
    #22490122 - 11/07/15 10:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

op, don't take this shit lightly.  i know it's amazing.... been up for a few days on it, but don't get into it.  i was doing a lot of meth in a short period and i started to look bad, and think nasty.  idk.... there's just something about meth.  be very careful man.  luckily i don't do it more than 3 days a week, but that's too much.  you start to justify using more and more.... idk man it's fucked.

keep in mind, i'm on meth right now and i'm telling you it's very dangerous.  i fell into it's trap.  slooooowly, but i still did.


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    #22490128 - 11/07/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know for sure that it's good for you but if it's clean I'm sure it's not "bad" for you as long as you don't have heart problems. The north Koreans consume meth too. I know some old ass people(60 to later 70 years old) who used to be occasional meth heads when they were young.


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    #22490152 - 11/07/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22490154 - 11/07/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually my success story comes from staying in the same environment & working on myself. Moving across the country didn't do shit. I brought myself with me. Drugs aren't the problem; they're a symptom of the problem that wind up becoming a major problem of their own down the line. If you don't get to the root of the issue, and work on what made you abuse drugs in the first place you'll continue to be self-destructive, whether it's with drugs or not.




glad to hear that worked for you, in my experience most people dont have that kind of will power. The whole point of taking yourself out of the environment is to give yourself a chance to clear your head, then work on yourself. Most people have a hard time staying away and working on themselves when they are around all their friends and dealers who use. Not to mention all the triggers. There has been studies that show this.

The whole point is to get yourself to a point where you are comfortable to be able to go back someday.

Deleting those dealers numbers was super hard. You hold onto it like your precious. Obviously at the end of the day you have to want it and you have to work for it. Just leaving wont be enough, but it gives most people ive known a major edge to get their life back on track.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: trees]
    #22490159 - 11/07/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't know for sure that it's good for you but if it's clean I'm sure it's not "bad" for you as long as you don't have heart problems. The north Koreans consume meth too. I know some old ass people(60 to later 70 years old) who used to be occasional meth heads when they were young.



No that's fucking retarded meth is shitty for your brain and shit don't go around saying "meth is good for you, it's well worth the money" that's some of the dumbest fucking shit i've ever heard anyone say


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22490165 - 11/07/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That i do and thank you for it.
But a idiot do, how a idiot do :lol:



It does sounds like the most pleasure dopamine milking drug if i ever heard of one
drugs are weird


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: SunnyD]
    #22490179 - 11/07/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

"Don't... do it... Timmy... I mean SunnyD."

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22490296 - 11/07/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually my success story comes from staying in the same environment & working on myself. Moving across the country didn't do shit. I brought myself with me. Drugs aren't the problem; they're a symptom of the problem that wind up becoming a major problem of their own down the line. If you don't get to the root of the issue, and work on what made you abuse drugs in the first place you'll continue to be self-destructive, whether it's with drugs or not.




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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ballsalsa]
    #22490392 - 11/07/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You guys have the wrong idea here

Meth in small controlled doses (25mg oral) is not that bad for you, no

But most people trying to get high are gonna take way more than that

I can blow through a half gram in 12 hours and still be hungry for more but I know better than to go down that road

Tolerance sets in quickly when you abuse it and that's how people really get messed up


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson] * 1
    #22490747 - 11/07/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

any drug at some dose is safe/beneficial to you.  idk the entity that meth brings in my head is different than any other drug i've had.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OhMrJohnson]
    #22490781 - 11/07/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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You guys have the wrong idea here

Meth in small controlled doses (25mg oral) is not that bad for you, no

But most people trying to get high are gonna take way more than that

I can blow through a half gram in 12 hours and still be hungry for more but I know better than to go down that road

Tolerance sets in quickly when you abuse it and that's how people really get messed up



I don't understand how anyone could possibly do 500 milligrams of any sort of amphetamine.

I used to do IV meth but I always had xanax for the comedown so I never stayed away too long.


The last time I did meth I did one line what was supposedly less than 100mg, intranasal, and I was still awake for well over 60 hours. I only enjoyed about 10 of them, and those I only sort of enjoyed.

Needless to say, it beats me how anyone could ever take methamphetamine because they think it feels good. I abused amphetamine salts in college to get a lot of work done, but I never really thought they "felt good". It was certainly rewarding to take them because they hit the reward center of the brain, so you get a certain kind of immediate rush of reward, but it doesn't "feel good".


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22490804 - 11/07/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's your subjective experience. Amphetamines most certainly made me feel really good. That dopamine rush.... Many other people agree.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22490860 - 11/07/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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That's your subjective experience. Amphetamines most certainly made me feel really good. That dopamine rush.... Many other people agree.



I mean I guess it does feel good but in like, a really specific kind of way that doesn't make you actually feel happy, if that makes any sense. Like you could be in a terrible mood and still be getting that dopamine rush that feels good. You know, like Adolf Hitler. Dude was all hopped up on meth constantly, and was super pissed, but I bet he felt good about it. Same way with me. I'd be "feeling good" and people would ask me "What are you thinking so hard about?" or "Are you mad about something?" Cuz I never had a light hearted smile on my face


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22490907 - 11/07/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Amphetamines made me feel super happy.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22490930 - 11/07/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Amphetamines just made me really really high. There were points where I was sad, mad, confused, paranoid, delusional. I had also kicked ass at my job when I was on meth as well but it was a constant struggle of always wanting to be high and being able to tone it down and get enough sleep so that I wasn't falling out or hallucinating at work.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22490939 - 11/07/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes.
I think if you like to talk and calculate, theorize, speculate, assess, construct , scrutinize, mostly about bs and such meth is gonna make you feel great.

If you like to sit and lay back with small talk and maybe some light tunes in the back opiates are perfect.

I don't know how one person could be so strongly against one or another of these.. They have their time and place. And both drugs are not to be kept around often, that much is certain.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22490967 - 11/07/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I use to do it occasionally, then more occasionally, and more and more occasionally, until it was all I lived for.

Sometimes I would do a rip and instantly cum in my pants,,,, just wait until you try fucking with a limp cock and never being able to cum.

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22490971 - 11/07/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Though meth + sex is the craziest freaky kind of sex I have ever had. That's when I can say it made me feel really really good.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
    #22490990 - 11/07/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm yes in the beginning thats all my ex and I would do is smoke and fuck. Then it was more like he couldn't get it up and would flail off doing other random things high as a kite, usually on his phone. Then it was just constantly fighting. Him stealing my money and leaving for days to gamble and smoke it up.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
    #22491017 - 11/07/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh my god, gambling on meth must be ridiculous.
For anyone who's concerned: I decided I won't be smoking it. I won't be selling it, or re-purchasing. I have over a quarter g left and plan to stretch it through to Tuesday for a specific event that I need to be on the ball for


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22491031 - 11/07/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes.
I think if you like to talk and speculate and calculate, theorize, speculate, assess, construct , scrutinize, and such meth is gonna make you feel great.

If you like to sit and lay back with small talk and maybe some light tunes in the back opiates are perfect.

I don't know how one person could be so strongly against one or another of these.. They have their time and place. And both drugs are not to be kept around often, that much is certain.



Anyone who follows what I post on here knows I like to do all of those things. When I take amphetamines, that is all I do. I sit down at a computer, and type, for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours. I usually start on some huge writing project that I never finish, and feel like I am writing the best goddamn thing I have ever written in my life. Years after the fact, I realize that amphetamines stunted my creativity. They would make me hyper-focused on minutiae in my writing, so that I would get stuck re-writing the same sentence over and over trying to find the best way to write it, and typically the way I wound up writing was extremely long-winded and filled with an excessive use of qualifiers. I don't know how the fuck I did as well as I did in school, standards have gotten really low.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22491041 - 11/07/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh my god, gambling on meth must be ridiculous.
For anyone who's concerned: I decided I won't be smoking it. I won't be selling it, or re-purchasing. I have over a quarter g left and plan to stretch it through to Tuesday for a specific event that I need to be on the ball for



You won't be "on the ball" by Tuesday if you stay awake until then.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #22491047 - 11/07/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

real talk.  if you stay up till tuesday, you will be a babbling psycho


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22491054 - 11/07/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I never understood how people could take amphetamines and masturbate for hours or play video games or anything like that. As soon as that shit went into my brain, I could not stop thinking, and believing that I was having the greatest ideas ever, and that if I did not write them down, I was going to be doing a disservice to myself and to humanity.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22491068 - 11/07/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well that's mental masturbating if you ask me. Meth just makes you hyper into whatever you focus on. If you kept your stimulation on the inside, that's what you'll end up doing the whole time.


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That's a great way of thinking about it.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22491090 - 11/07/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh my god, gambling on meth must be ridiculous.
For anyone who's concerned: I decided I won't be smoking it. I won't be selling it, or re-purchasing. I have over a quarter g left and plan to stretch it through to Tuesday for a specific event that I need to be on the ball for



Yah I agree with the others that by Tuesday if you keep it up you'll either be mentally starting to break down our you'll fall the fuck out and totally miss your event. I say tough up buck, come down and get some sleep and do it Tuesday if you wanna go that route.

And yes gambling on meth was perhaps even more destructive than the meth as far as the relationship went, though the meth was the fuel that drove him to not care about stealing from me. I still owe thousands of dollars in debt because of his destructive behavior while he was high. While I was working, trying to keep the house that we were eventually evicted from, he was out spending my money, stealing my cards and checks and forgetting to pick me up. I walked home several times in the rain and snow. I even had dealers give me rides because he never showed up when he said he would.
Meth changes people.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22491154 - 11/07/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Screw meth

I like amphetamine a lot but meth just seems too harmful


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Alexestalex]
    #22491331 - 11/07/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So I just took that 30mg M Amphet Salt capsule and I gotta say I like it.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #22491678 - 11/07/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ketamine > meth/heroin/crack/coke combined


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22491694 - 11/07/15 04:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

sex and masturbating on amphetamines is AMAZING i can't even imagine how much better it would be on meth


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    #22491766 - 11/07/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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sex and masturbating on amphetamines is AMAZING i can't even imagine how much better it would be on meth



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    #22491770 - 11/07/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Ketamine > meth/heroin/crack/coke combined




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    #22491850 - 11/07/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes.
I think if you like to talk and calculate, theorize, speculate, assess, construct , scrutinize, mostly about bs and such meth is gonna make you feel great...




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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22492178 - 11/07/15 05:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe it's because you were using meth to have fun and/or be happy and now that you've quit your "happy receptors" coincide being happy with using meth. Just my thought. I don't know though, I'm obviously not a doctor of any kind. I hope things get better for you.






There very well may be other factors contributing to how he's feeling, but long term drug addiction / abuse can literally change the way your brain works. Especially with really hardcore drugs like meth or heroin. Which is one of the reasons it can be so hard to stop-- because even after you quit and make it through the initial withdrawal, there is a period of time where the brain needs to re-regulate itself. Some ex addicts actually experience anhedonia-- an inability to experience pleasure from normally pleasurable activities.

Normally when you do things you enjoy-- from eating food, to having sex, to listening to music, your brain releases a little bit of dopamine. This causes pleasure, which reenforces the behavior. But when you take drugs that play with your dopaminergic system, you throw it out of whack. Do it long enough, and simple things are not as pleasurable as they should seem.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #22492826 - 11/07/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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You guys have the wrong idea here

Meth in small controlled doses (25mg oral) is not that bad for you, no

But most people trying to get high are gonna take way more than that

I can blow through a half gram in 12 hours and still be hungry for more but I know better than to go down that road

Tolerance sets in quickly when you abuse it and that's how people really get messed up



I don't understand how anyone could possibly do 500 milligrams of any sort of amphetamine.

I used to do IV meth but I always had xanax for the comedown so I never stayed away too long.


The last time I did meth I did one line what was supposedly less than 100mg, intranasal, and I was still awake for well over 60 hours. I only enjoyed about 10 of them, and those I only sort of enjoyed.

Needless to say, it beats me how anyone could ever take methamphetamine because they think it feels good. I abused amphetamine salts in college to get a lot of work done, but I never really thought they "felt good". It was certainly rewarding to take them because they hit the reward center of the brain, so you get a certain kind of immediate rush of reward, but it doesn't "feel good".


Opiates feel good.




Its subjective. I feel like people with certain personalities are more likely to be euphoric from amphs, while Opiates feel good to everyone :lol:


And i learned a trick while addicted to amphetamines. Once it stops feeling good, but you still cant sleep, drink until you are unconscious :lol:


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22492944 - 11/07/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Still awake what the fuck





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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Lucis]
    #22494200 - 11/08/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Essentially still on the same coaster as originally posted. This is ridiculous. It's the highest your brain can operate (second maybe to the mythical 4-MAR).
I got 5 hours of decent sleep last night.
Today some friends came over and wanted to try it. The mythical "methamphetamine" had arrived in town and it was like a conch was blown.
Somewhere in between this I traded a cut of shrooms for more meth (different dude) which in retrospect was a neutral move. I got matched value and I then had enough to comfortably share with the fiends that had arrived. Good peeps though, can't fault a one of them.

One thing I'll note is that I would have fucked almost any girl, they all seemed beautiful tonight in their own way. The hot ditzy ones, the self conscious ones, the thicker girls (which I never had much of a taste for) all looked like they'd make a great fuck.  Id make their day in an instant, and continue to make it for probably an hour or so of excessive but stellar meth sex. except I've got to remain loyal to my love. I miss her, she's out with her family for the weekend.

The crash was pushed back tonight, tomorow is a decidedly final stand on this wretchedly strong and dangerously addictive drug. Since I won't be sleeping tonight I'll be zombying through tomorow getting shit done and then doing whatever I fucking can to sleep early and put this book on the shelf. A story, one still being written as we speak. My buddies and I saw a few couches on the side of the road, gonna try to bring them into our courtyard for when we do fires if they're clean enough.

One of my friends who's on the journey with me is feverishly searching the Internet for the cheapest possible nitrous oxide deal :lol: kind of silly, for such a novelty but I won't spoil the fun. He's having a blast calculating out the cost per canister on each and every vendor he can find and then figuring out the recycle value by summing the weight of the lot. He's subtracting the recycle value from the cost, and reading off each potential price per cartridge that he finds. He's trying to beat $0.33/cartridge right now I believe. I'm sure he'll get it lower, he's fucking lit and said he won't stop til he can get it for a quarter a pop.
It's all so trivial but entertaining!

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #22494298 - 11/08/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I hope you're having fun and I hope you'll also realize that you're not functioning in an acceptable way, and this needs to stop before it gets out of control.  Make sure you are eating and drinking plenty of water, and ride out the crash like the champ the you are. 

Try to put things in perspective and think of the people you really care about.  You've had your experience, seen the best, and now if you continue it will just get worse and worse until your whole life is torn apart.

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    #22494443 - 11/08/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Used couch... bed bugs, dried semen, piss stains... :cuteshit:

Get off the meth man. Do you want this to be you in a year from now?

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    #22494447 - 11/08/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Meth doesn't do anything really. It is your brain and body reacting in horror


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Meth doesn't do anything..?


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    #22494825 - 11/08/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: sharmacy]
    #22494956 - 11/08/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

my first time with meth was accidental

It was cut with molly

I danced all night was in ecstatic bliss the whole time

it felt like the I could physically feel the feel good chemicals flowing into my brain

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: thelanzii]
    #22495066 - 11/08/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My first time with meth was great. I was super hungover, and this MILF came over to see my one roommate. She'd brought some meth over & were talking about the price; $100 a gram. I thought it was coke, and was like "the fuck? $100??" They replied "but it's really good. Do you want a bump." Of course I said sure. I had sit to do & was glued to the couch. A little coke would do me right. As they were cutting out lines, they asked if I'd ever smoked it. So I regaled them with stories from my crackhead phase. That's when they realized I thought it was blow, and told me what it really was. Did I still want some? Damn right! Even better....shit might actually get done today. We blew out lines, then went into my bedroom where the woman busted out the glass dick. We all took a few rips. It was weird, cause I was expecting something instantaneous. What happened took some time to build, but god damn did I feel good. I got shit done around the house, dropped my buddy off at a party, went to another friends house, out to a bar. Eventually went home & laid down. There was no sleep, but I was feeling great just laying there. I worked in a restaurant at the time, and was opening the next day. When my alarm went off I still hadnt slept. As soon as I stood up my head snapped back into crystal clear get shit done mode. Crushed it at work, then went out & partied. There was no real crash; I just fell asleep that night & that was that. My buddy stayed up for a few more days & flipped his lid, but that's another story.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22495216 - 11/08/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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My first time with meth was great. I was super hungover, and this MILF came over to see my one roommate. She'd brought some meth over & were talking about the price; $100 a gram. I thought it was coke, and was like "the fuck? $100??" They replied "but it's really good. Do you want a bump." Of course I said sure. I had sit to do & was glued to the couch. A little coke would do me right. As they were cutting out lines, they asked if I'd ever smoked it. So I regaled them with stories from my crackhead phase. That's when they realized I thought it was blow, and told me what it really was. Did I still want some? Damn right! Even better....shit might actually get done today. We blew out lines, then went into my bedroom where the woman busted out the glass dick. We all took a few rips. It was weird, cause I was expecting something instantaneous. What happened took some time to build, but god damn did I feel good. I got shit done around the house, dropped my buddy off at a party, went to another friends house, out to a bar. Eventually went home & laid down. There was no sleep, but I was feeling great just laying there. I worked in a restaurant at the time, and was opening the next day. When my alarm went off I still hadnt slept. As soon as I stood up my head snapped back into crystal clear get shit done mode. Crushed it at work, then went out & partied. There was no real crash; I just fell asleep that night & that was that. My buddy stayed up for a few more days & flipped his lid, but that's another story.



I wanna hear that story, too :lol:


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Near Dylan]
    #22495969 - 11/08/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Meth doesn't do anything really. It is your brain and body reacting in horror



Horror must feel pretty good






Haven't you ever watched a horror movie? Especially one of those teen-oriented ones? The first half hour or so always looks fun. Kids partying, fucking, etc. Then the horror kicks in, and lasts twice as long as the fun part. :lol:


And this thread is making me want meth. Not cool. :sad:


Fortunately (? lol) it seems like I live in one of the few parts of the country where this shit isn't ubiquitous.
I've only seen raw meth once in my life. And that's coming from someone with a decades-long drug history, who has mingled in some sketchy circles. :shrug:


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #22496388 - 11/08/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ok..... 

This was a real cool guy; super nice, generous, intellectual, etc. great to hang out to hang out with, awesome conversations... He wasn't exactly wrapped too tight though. I used to hear from him every so often, but it's been years. I hope that he's OK....but I have the feeling that he's not.

This all took place in Colorado several years ago. He was a roommate of mine. I only did that bump & sucked the glass dick a couple times as I mentioned previously. Didn't do anymore that go around. So I fell asleep the next night so where around 2-3 am. He kept going. Sleep deprivation fucked me up, but never made me psychotic. I went through long periods of no sleep due to opiate withdrawal. Meth wise my max was three days or so. My buddy stayed up for five days, and was hearing voices. He was having conversations with himself, which was weird, but I didn't think much of it.

Later that night I woke up to the sound of my buddy talking to himself. He got louder, and louder...and more & more agitated. Noises came from his room as well...the sound of him unsuccessfully trying get out of the window. He was yelling about someone trying to kill him. He screamed *one of the other roommate's name* get your gun. Then more about a guy with a knife, then "I'll tell you when you get here." This is when I realized he was on the phone, and had called 911.

Myself & my one roommate tried to calm my buddy down while simultaneously stashing all illegal items. I went out on the porch to meet the entire Durango PD as they swarmed our house. Violent crimes are very rare there, so they rolled up mad deep. As I let them in the house, I explained that there was no one in the house other than us, and we had been asleep....no  random with a knife. They searched the house, our yard, set up a perimeter as they talked to my buddy and the rest of us. This was before even medical was legal, but the cops there didn't care about weed. Didn't take them long to discern that the guy with the knife was all in my buddy's head. They asked us if he was doing any drugs. We didn't mention the meth, just the weed. Cops were like weed doesn't do this to someone. We were all like yeah no shit, we're as confused as you. I suggested that it might've been a nightmare.

Cops discussed amongst themselves about how to proceed. They didn't want to take him, and asked I could just stay up & look after him, which I did. Then the cops & myself all talked with my buddy, and explained that there had never been a guy with a knife. Once he finally believed us the cops left, and I looked my buddy, who now felt like a real dumbass. Turns out he'd been hearing voices, and heard the one roommate that had stayed in his room until the cops rousted banging this girl that my buddy had once banged. There was no one other than him in the room. The girl that he thought was in there was nuts. She was engaged, but ran all over town behind that poor sap's back.

My buddy hallucinated her calling out for him to join her, but he ignored it because at that point he figured it was all in his head. Then he heard her get mad that he was ignoring her, and she told the roommate to get his knife & cut him. That's when he flipped, tried to break out of his room, failed, called our roommate to get his gun, screaming that he was about to get murdered & called the cops. My other roommate wasn't wrapped all that tight either, but the one that he thought was going to stab him was a super straight laced college kid. Needless to say, he was real weirded out by the whole thing.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22496515 - 11/08/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sleep deprivation can really fuck you up :lol: Have you ever read that cheesy creepypasta story "Russian Sleep Experiment"? After 14 days or something like that they started eating themselves or some shit. I bet that would happen if you smoked meth for 2 weeks with no sleep


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Near Dylan]
    #22496783 - 11/08/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My ex and I were up for a while and I had to convince him that our room mate didn't have a gun and was plotting to kill us. Was even flipping thinking they were trying to open the door. There was no one there.

I spent a good few hours one time looking for cameras that I thought were in my room and covering up random shit with duct tape.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: OsculateOfDemise]
    #22497490 - 11/08/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The last time I did meth I didn't realize how long it was going to keep me awake. I did one line and was awake for almost 3 days. It was right before the semester started and this was back when I was teaching and I had to go to the pre-semester teacher meetings while sleep deprived and geeking out. It was horrible and I lost any desire to ever take a stimulant again, and I never have since.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22497496 - 11/08/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That was also the time I replied to this PM...

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not gonnnna lie your knowledge about astrology sort of made my panties wet :bashful:


you seem super intelligent. i like your posts!





by writing this...

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heh, well, I'm not going to lie, I don't know how I feel about astrology anymore. I'm about to make a really long reply, but I earnestly hope you will take the time to read through it. Not all at once. Take your time. It's a lot, and I go off into more-than-likely self-absorbed tangents that would get lost on just about anyone but me, but I hope that at the very least you will find it flippantly amusing if disagreeable, or, perhaps you will not find it so disagreeable. I'm not trying to convince you of anything either way, I'm just going to ramble some of my thoughts; in the end I think you will find that the position I take on the issue if someone forces me to take one is fairly simple yet relatively uncommon. The main argumentative point can be summed up as this:

    Sign-based interpretation of metaphysical relations such as but not limited to compatibility which is derived from astrological paradigms that were established at some point in the relatively distal past is irredeemably error-prone due to multiple procedural problems that arise during the semantic decoding process:
Of primary importance, the inaccessibility of the definitions, or any sort of functional equivalent, of pragmatic variables that applied to semantic decoding during sign-based phenomena interpretation at the time of a given astrological system's introduction to the human community, without which present-day procedural application of sign-interpretation cannot truthfully be said to accurately make use of the system in question.
Of secondary importance, the non-existence in the time at which any given distally introduced systems was introduced into the human community of intentional intra-linguistic semantic web, such as a modern Dictionary, which would at least allow for a better understanding of the modal relationality between the symbols, as apprehended by the minds of those responsible for introducing and originally popularizing a given distally established historical astrological system, without which the accuracy any instance of any sign-based interpretative conclusion such as, for example, but not limited to, compatibility, is obscured to point of non-computability.
Non-computability essentially means that a computer program could not take input data about your sign, birth location and time, etc., and give you output that is consistent enough to be worthy of attention. Essentially, if the level of semantic obscurity raised to a high enough level, the computer will begin to feed you the same output no matter what input you feed into it. You may be able to design a computer program that works based on an internally-consistent set of semantics of your own device, and that program would function. Such programs probably exist, and the language in them, I am guessing, probably tends to give messages that discuss the the actions of the reader, perhaps sprinkled with slightly-but-not-too-mystical-sounding-allusions-to-things-like-Light-and-Energy, that dazzle the reader with apparent insight about his or her personality and circumstances, but in reality are semantically and syntactically hard-wired to be as universally applicable as possible.
Despite my serious doubts concerning present-day practical uses for astrological systems which were introduced during portions of the past that are now so distant that we have lost all feasible means of acquiring the variable definitions necessary to execute the proper pragmatic procedures for accurate semantic decoding, I nevertheless maintain that it is possible- in fact, I cannot see how it would NOT be possible- that so-called macrocosmic and microcosmic phenomena could be correlated according to mathematical models. In fact, Richard Tarnas claims to have done precisely that in his book, Cosmos and Psyche. I find his schematic of archetypes to be dubious however, mostly because every time a historical event that is offered up as an example of the conformity between his mathematical models and his classificatory scheme of archetypes, the reader is either forced to accept his decision to classify the given event as such, or else start keeping a list of instances where Tarnas' theory failed to work inside of his own example simply because you fail to agree that one event belongs to a particular category rather than another. His methodology is unquestionably questionable, but if one wishes to question his methodology, one is forced to ask how, other than via the correlation of historical events such a task could be accomplished?
What I'm left with is a lot of doubts and very little to go on, yet my hope, joy, and contentment grow with each passing day. The idea that keeps invading my thoughts- almost always uninvited; nevertheless exuberantly self-principled and apparently designed (designed?) for action and nothing but action- has to do incorporating the concept of free will into any functional model of my own device that involves human input/output interaction. The faster I run from free will, the more potent its force becomes within me, and changes every preconceived notion I ever held near and dear, and every long-held position that ever gave me comfort, and tears up the pages of my mind more than psychedelics ever did, and hands them back to me in the shape of a single word: "Responsibility". I am no longer a victim of cosmological forces; I am no longer a victim of my genetic predispositions; I am no longer a victim of other peoples' behavior; I am no longer a victim of the apparently negative institutions that I used to feel surrounded by. I am a victim of my own actions. I experience the consequences of my actions. When I live this way, my thoughts become divine. I cannot explain it. I dare not try to any more; every time I have in the past, I've paid for it. I find now that even in the presence or lack thereof of divine answers within any given set of data, interpreted according to some system-astrological, hell, as Einstein occasionally voiced, maybe the divine can be found in the astronomical- I have quite suddenly lost the need to look outside of myself for divine answers.




And believe me, this is just a small portion of what I have to say about this topic. And I can talk about a lot of different topics (not bragging, I just don't get many opportunities and take as many as I can get, so let me know what else you like).

The first problem I run into with it is that almost every person I meet who buys into astrology seems to be using a slightly different system. I am going to focus on the idea of the original Zodiac system, as it existed when it came to be used by humans in what is now called the Far East (whether or not it was created); an idea whose precise form, I hope to demonstrate, has become inaccessible due the simple elements of time and change (progress?).



It seems to me that the main problem with drawing conclusions from Astrological data has to do with the archetypes or "signs". Where did the signs come from? Who decides what their characteristics are? If we assume that the characteristics of a particular sign were defined in a particular language (say, written ancient Chinese) using certain words, and that those words were maintained throughout generations as the components of the sign in question, then our understanding of that sign is sensitive to the way that we translate the Chinese words.

In written Chinese, the meaning of a symbol or symbol-set depends upon its specific shape/form. Shapes/forms are combined in Chinese to create new meanings; for example, to create the written idea of refrigerator the custom has been to combine the symbols for ice and box in serial order the way that we combine letters in English to create words. Thus 冰 (ice) and 箱 (box) become icebox when conjoined, and in the modern age the icebox is the fridge. The determination of sign compatibility according to the Chinese Zodiac originally depended upon this method of symbol conjunction, although lord knows how many different methods are currently being used to supposedly determine the compatibility relation.

For example, if your sign is 羊 (Goat) and the longitude of the Sun is 344 degrees during the Spring, you are presumably interacting with an environment in which the fixed element 木 (wood) is predominant. If you meet someone whose sign is 蛇 (snake), the ancient Chinese attitude involved something like literally taking a brush out and painting 羊地木蛇火 (Goat-Earth-Wood-Snake-Fire) to just "see what it looked like", because in doing so the compatibilities/incompatibilities- the deeper meaning- would sort of just "jump out at you". This attitude is probably related to a learned notion that the symbols were created in such a way that they necessarily posses a "divine" or at very least non-arbitrary connection between the appearance of their precise written form (think about how precise the differentiating parts of the characters are [supposed to be]) and the meaning they produced in one's mind upon observation and reflection. In other words, the ancient Chinese individuals intimately familiar with their written language didn't need someone else to tell them what sign was incompatible with what sign, instead they simply interpreted what was, to them, a "common sense" understanding of the meaning of the symbols, by observing the symbols and the form created out of their conjunction and interspatial-relations. In an attempt to draw a more clear picture of the interpretive process I have been attempting to describe, I now note that it seems to me to be most nearly analogous to the process by which people today are individually able to by virtue of what has come, for better-or-for-worse-but-nothing-if-not-curiously to be referred to with simultaneous connotations of nostalgia and embitterment as - yep - "common sense" arrive at strikingly similar interpretations of metaphorical poetry:

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Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference



What is the author talking about, in this poem? Most readers get the impression that the poem is a metaphor about the consequences of choosing to live a relatively unusual type of life. The poem, however, never mentions life. It is about a couple of slightly different roads in a wood, and the fact that the author makes a choice to walk one of them. Without the last line, the general reader will not typically get the impression that the author is talking about life; at best it would seem like a weak metaphor for making atypical decisions, but more likely it would seem like two affirmative statements of fact containing some perhaps poetically-(mal?)inspired grammatical anomalies, but no metaphors. There appears to be some-THING (I rarely use that word, because to me it's like a philosophical mind trap that was literally invented by ancient philosophers for the purpose of making reference to the stuff that you experience with your perceptual faculties and manipulate with your- free will(?)- without talking about certain kinds of stuff. My contention is that they weren't immediately forthright; nobody bothered to say, "by the way, since nobody ever experiences or manipulates stuff that isn't of a specific kind, the stuff we're talking about doesn't exist in real life and was actually just one part of the Sophist tactic of creating generalizations out of specific instances in order to derive propositional contradictions for the sake of winning arguments and gaining prestige and political reputability in the minds of the less-thoughtful [or simply less frightened and selfish?] majority [which unfortunately included those who ruled Greece during the rise of Sophistry] but the truth is, I'm talking about someTHING that I need to refer to, and I don't know what it is because my experiences of it are most  like what philosophers call "mental states", and in English we only have specific words for a few mental states that are very non-specific relative to what I am talking about, and mostly affective, like 'happiness', 'anger', 'jealousy', and 'inspiration') residing in the (specifically modern English speaking) cultural-collective- deductive/ inductive/Heuristic/Analogously-Interpretive/Divinely-Inspired(?)/(???)- semantic and pragmatic decoding of this poem, the result of which is the weird-if-you-really-linger-on-it-long-enough,-I-promise reality that most adult English-speaking humans read the poem, and then some message resembling, "This author chose to live an unusual life and seems to be saying that he would've regretted choosing to not do so. " just kind of emerges in their minds.

I think the ancient (and perhaps in many instances also modern, but with different pragmatic assessment results) Chinese interpretation of their Zodiac symbols is like that. It seems that with so few words, each word was probably embedded with a significant amount of semantic content. Here I am going to digress into a bit of sticky linguistic theory, but I will do my best to explain it in words that are easy to understand. Each word being "embedded with a significant amount of semantic content" means that the word has a large variety of possible correct meanings, and that the specific  meaning or set of meanings was intentionally determined when it was written, when necessary, by two things. The first and most important is syntactic variability; in other words, the placement of the word in the sentence relative to other words eliminates a range of possible meanings, thus narrowing the possibilities. For example, the word "Bat!" at the beginning of a sentence can only be the verb meaning to hit with a bat, since English requires sentences to contain the elements Subject-Verb-Object, in that order, except in the imperative, or command, form ("Bat!" is a command).

Furthermore, it cannot be the subject or any type of object- which eliminates the possibility of interpreting the word "bat" according to any of its noun-related meanings- because it lacks the necessary indefinite article "a" (which would make it the second word anyway), in addition to the fact that it would lack a verb if it were allowed to be a subject despite lacking the indefinite article, which would result in a sentence fragment. "Bats", on the other hand, could be the first word of a sentence, and, since English does not allow subject elimination in third-person conjugation of the simple present tense (or any tense other than the imperative/command), the word's initial position in the sentence rules out any meanings related to an action, the meaning would have to be one of the nouns. In a textually isolated sentence like, for example, "Bats are cool.", however, we still do not have enough information from the position of the words (the "syntax of the sentence") alone to figure out whether the writer is talking about the little creatures that sort of resemble rats but have scary wings and live in caves, or the huge, sturdy wooden sticks used to hit balls during baseball games. In order to figure out which meaning the writer intended, our only hope is to make a pragmatic assessment of the situation. In this case the best we can do is to say that in our current cultural context, it seems more unlikely that someone would comment on the "coolness" of something as common and simple as a baseball bat and that the writer was thus likely talking about the animals. Based on the fact that flying bats are epically accurate users of echolocation, and that they sleep upside down, and that they inspired Batman to be who he would be if he weren't a fictional character, and that they occasionally turn into vampires, and those guys in baseball are hitting a ball with a big stick and running around in circles, we can definitely conclude that the speaker is a massively disappointing moron who not unlikely "swings from both sides of the plate" (which is yet another expression that I bet anyone on the Shroomery can decode with a simple pragmatic variability assessment, in most cases as a variant of the expression "to swing both ways", the meaning of which is almost universally understood among modern English speaker), if he is in fact he is attempting to express a metaphysical relation between the object, "big sticks used to smack balls as hard as possible" and the non-intrinsic "coolness" property.

The process I have just described of inducing (which means gathering and including as much relevant data as possible to look for patterns) and deducing (which means eliminating as much irrelevant data from the induced set of data as possible, given the circumstantial variables that would induce elimination such as morphosyntactic data and semantic inconsistency) what I will respectfully designate the "most useful" or, as those displaying symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, the so-called 'victims' of which I shall proceed to mercilessly yet tactfully bamboozle following the next four oh-so-brief (okay, maybe not so brief) paragraphs (and yes that was my sad, desperate attempt to maintain your attention throughout their entirety, because, hey, uh, it's going to be funny-as-fuck to the extent where you actually might even giggle which is actually a big deal when you're sitting at a computer; just gonna throw out one possible pragmatic assessment of the meaning of "LOL" in 98% of contexts: "I am acknowledging that there  either A) was some intention on your part for what you just said to be received in a humorous way or B) was a mildly humorous element in what just occurred, but not enough for me to actually laugh, in which case, I would've said "hahaha". oh ya and also u mite lern sum kewl shit dat u can past in2 a paper 4 skewl hehe. not making fun of you btw) are not infrequently, yet oftentimes and quite impressively  managing, without even so much as flinching in reaction to the pain they are surely experiencing from that wholesome benevolent deity Autogenes, in whom I must believe at all costs, lest I impulsively create that divine force for which only he should be responsible; that is to say, the infliction of severe physical unto those intentionally inhuman individuals who insist on perpetually redisplaying the dysfunctional and uncooperative erection of their own image how the world ought to be in their mind (aka their egos), by allowing ridiculous things like, "the ONLY correct working hypotheses" to escape from the orifice on the lower front side of their face- from a given set of input data is often referred to as "common sense." (so yeah that sentence was stupidly long to the point of incomprehensibility unless you read it like ten times, and 98% of the reason it exists is for my own enjoyment, which turns out to be ironic should you manage to sort through it and figure out what the heck it was trying to say). cliffs: it's like there is this computer program in your brain, in which inductive and deductive inference rules work together in a feedback/feedforward loop, to sort through any given set of input data (that I can think of) and then generate the most relevant or useful output possible, depending on the type of input. If the program is trying to generate output in the form of the best meaningful interpretation of symbols you have just focused your attention on, that would be relevant output; whereas if the program is trying to generate output in the form of the most appropriate reaction to a given environmental stimulus, that would be an example of useful output.


The result of the fact that each traditional Chinese pictogram probably had a very large range of possible semantic outputs (the fact that there were so many ways of interpreting what the symbol meant), combined with the reality that ancient Chinese users of the Zodiac lacked the foresight to document these relations and the necessary pragmatic assessment variable definitions, unfortunately, is that we are left with very little guidance concerning the procedure for interpreting the relevant meanings of the symbol in different contexts. This is not at all surprising, since they were probably only minimally if at all aware of the procedure's discernible involvement in the activity of reading (for comprehension). Moreover, before we make the Chinese look like fools who forgot about the future, everyone apparently lacked the foresight to document these types of relations until the first instance of what we would call a genuine Dictionary, with words in a single language making reference to one another in order to create a semantic web of meaningful relationships between them, was published no sooner than 1604. There were bilingual dictionaries prior to this, of course, but the real problem with creating and distributing a modern type dictionary in ancient times was probably related to the reality that, since larger bodies of written material were considered to be intrinsically ephemeral due to the lack of durability of the mediums on which they appeared (which was generally flammable and biodegradable via air moisture), yet expensive at the same time, since each one demanded hand-copying via educated and thus relatively well-paid scribes; moreover, the books were far less practically useful at that time than bilingual dictionaries, which potentiated your ability to interact with foreign trade merchants at a more personable level. 

Unfortunately, "common sense" isn't actually universal. It's context-sensitive, in the case of the original Zodiac system it's sensitive to a particular culture at a particular point in its development. The point I'm getting to relates to the fact that in the modern age, it's common to find explanations of the Zodiac signs (often as if it has some sort of functional output, but that's another story...), that look like this (from wikipedia):
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The relations between those elements are interpolation, interaction, over action, and counter-action, which are believed to be the common law of the motions and changes of the creatures in the universe


You'll note, however, that this particular section of the paper is not cited on wikipedia. That is because there is no ancient Chinese text which contains words like "interpolation". In ancient Ancient Chinese there was a unique pictogram for each idea that was to be represented, so they had to be conservative about the number of ideas they were going to represent (not the mention the fact that writing- especially in China- was still a relatively new, primitive, and rarely-utilized technology).

Instead they had pictograms/symbols for things that were relevant parts of their experience; things they needed to make reference to; hence, wood, fire, snake, ox, goat, earth, etc. ('yin' and 'yang' are highly notable exceptions because of their highly abstract meaning, but in written Chinese they had very few contenders until they were joined by invading Messianic-era abstractions, including but not limited to the etymological relatives and descendants of 'Tao'). There was almost certainly no pictogram in ancient Chinese for the action we call "interpolation", since it is the kind of action that has only become commonplace (enough to elicit a neologism, or new word) in the context of very high rates of literacy, and more important high-level argumentation about knowledge and/or opinions gathered by interlocutors from a chosen item of text. What this means is that the writer of this document is making his own assessment of what was taking place when the ancient Chinese were engaged in thinking about the interaction between Zodiac signs, and asserting that the Chinese elemental system inherently implies 'interpolatory' action.

The truth, I believe, is that the kind of interaction that takes place between the elements, in the minds of the creators of the Zodiac system of signs, has to do with the combination of symbols and thus the morphology (transformation of pieces of word units to alter their meaning, ie hating v. hated, syntax (word order), semantics (meaning of the words given their relation to one another in the sentence), and most importantly the pragmatics (the meaning of words given their relation to the environmental context in which they are used) of traditional written Chinese itself. Pragmatic assessment of the written Chinese that existed when the Zodiac system came about is utterly inaccessible due, as we have previously stated, to time and change. Even if you ask a modern Chinese person, the pragmatic assessment you will receive is composed of the the meaning of the word within the context of modern written Chinese, even if it is traditional. A simple example of changing pragmatics is, excuse my language, the word nigger. It is no longer acceptable to write or say this word in almost any context except perhaps one such as this, but even 60 years ago it was perfectly acceptable in many parts of the USA to write this word in a paper and turn it in to your teacher for a grade.

You'll also find things surrounding astrology such as this (from wikipedia):
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Ox - Narcissistic personality disorder, Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, Schizoid personality disorder



These personality disorders- the first two, anyway, which I will focus on- are almost certainly context-dependent. In a hunter-gatherer society, there is no time for narcissism or compulsive behavior that serves no useful purpose. Any individuals who may begin to exhibit such narcissistic or useless compulsive behaviors in such a society would be promptly made aware that continued instances of such behavior would result in decisively negative consequences, or  simply disposed of immediately. Narcissistic personalities exists in the present age- in perpetuity- in such large numbers that, when exhibited to a certain degree, it has been classified as a pathological disorder. Why is this the case? Because we have created and/or become inadvertently involved in a situation which demands that certain individuals maintain narcissistic attitudes as defense mechanisms. Many individuals feel lost in the shuffle.

In ancient China, a human was 1 in maybe 500,000,000, but a human didn't even think about numbers like that; he felt like 1 in 5,000 at most. Today, just the knowledge that a human is 1 in 7 billion is hard to fathom- but being in a big city makes the feeling of insignificance multiply, and the celebrity "circus maximus" (which is, ironically, composed of people who are selected and then groomed into a variety of personalities and appearances and roles, just right, by the truly significant people, who you never see and have probably never heard of- because they like it that way- to give the impression that you, too, no matter how insignificant, can one day rise above the masses and at least be on the other side of the screen) makes it exponentially worse because it quite often forces you to realize that not only are you so insignificant that when you die you'll be forgotten in two generations at most, but that there is this other group of people who seem to be really significant whose achievements will carry on post-mortem, sometimes for millenia- and you're not part of that group.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a reactive rejection of the feeling that one person is an insignificant thing in the grand scheme of things, a reaction that could only exist in the context of a huge community in which certain individuals have to capacity to broadcast whatever they wish on a massive scale with the (well-grounded) expectation of a massive, mixed, and usually non-determinate audience, while others can only broadcast most (but not all) of what they wish to relatively small, homogeneous, and often predetermined audiences. Similarly, the existence of obsessive-compulsive disorder is sensitive to the context in which its existence was postulated. It doesn't seem far-fetched to imagine that there have always been individuals who mentally obsess about the particularity of performing a certain sequence of actions, but until modern times, individuals who obsessed about particularity in such a way that their obsession interfered with the solidarity of group action would (in a more sympathetic tribe) simply be given an ultimatum that would immediately and (quite interestingly,) perpetually interrupt their obsession before it became a compulsive behavior, or be exiled (or worse). The mechanisms underlying obsessive-compulsive disorder are probably more complicated than those undergirding Narcissistic personality disorder, because of the relevant research on the environment/predisposition interaction involved in its initial development.

Needless to say, it isn't likely that individuals with the sign of Ox suffered from Narcissistic personality disorder in ancient China. This is something that modern Americans who are familiar with abnormal human psychology have superimposed on the interpretative schematic based on their understanding of the characteristics that are associated with each sign. So, whoever decided to write that Ox-signs are more likely to have NPD did all of the following:

Assumed prior to beginning that it's actually possible to fully understand and use the Zodiac system without using or even having any understanding of the language in which it came about.
Read and memorized modern and very arguably less-than-perfect English translations of traditional Chinese pictograms, whose precise connotative meaning is difficult to determine outside of the cultural and historical context in which the Zodiac system was devised (at that point in history dictionaries did not exist, so we cannot refer back to a dictionary which existed at that time in order to determine the then-most popularly accepted semantic content of a particular symbol).
Read one or more modern English guides concerning the practical application of Zodiac-based knowledge or understanding, derived from the use of various information input values arranged in accordance with the Zodiac system template. Assumed that these guides were not only in systematic agreement with one another but also that they had correctly re-instituted the precise practice/science/art of achieving knowledge/understanding via interpretation of data fed through the Zodiac system, or else only read one guide and assumed the same of it.
Intentionally categorized characteristics that are grouped within a particular sign on the basis of the diagnostic criteria that can be found among the most broadly-defined personality disorders in the Diagnostic and Stastistical Manual (like Narcissistic Personality Disorder. If you read the behavioral diagnosis criteria in the DSM, you will almost certainly say, "Hey, I do that sometimes, so does that mean I have the disorder?" The short answer is, only if you do it so much that you can't function in a cooperative manner).
Wrote something on the internet that has probably been read by at least a few thousand people that essentially means this is probably what was going through her head when she wrote it: "Well, the Chinese sign for Ox has more attributes that translate to words that are sort of synonymous with self-centered in English than most of the other signs, and people love to have catch-phrases that they can use as excuses for maladjusted behavior, so now not only can maladjusted narcissists blame their maladjusted behavior on a "Disorder" (it's been diagnosed!!), they can also point out that this was all predetermined by the fates, (nearly all oxes born between 11am and 3pm have personality disorders!!)


Now, if you're still reading, I earnestly commend and thank you, you've done more for me than most people on the planet can say they have done, and that's the true truth. Most people would've never started reading when they saw the size of the scrollbar, because they would rather watch something, because it's easier. But is it really a better use of your time? No further aimless apologetic digressions: I've kept you too long already.

You might be thinking, but what about Western astrology? The predominant set of modern "systems" that originally surfaced among so-called Western civilizations, all of which are essentially homologous, has its own set of historically different yet characteristically familiar problems, in light of those we have just discussed (at great length, for which I must apologize). If you are interested in understanding the specifics of those problems, I would be happy to detail them for you, but you were probably burned out on the specificity of my atypical word choice and absurdly excessive length of my sentences before finishing the second paragraph, as any reasonable person ought to be. I gave up on being reasonable. For better or for worse.



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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22497518 - 11/08/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Only time I've ever heard voices was coming down from meth. And the voices were rapping and accompanied by a beat. That and I felt like I was dying.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22497661 - 11/08/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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That was also the time I replied to this PM...





LMFAO, even funnier because it's about astrology.

Whats your sun/moon/asc bro?

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: philopian_tube]
    #22497706 - 11/08/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Virgo/Taurus/Taurus

My sun is actually on the cusp of virgo and leo though, I was born at 12:21am on August 23rd


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22497776 - 11/08/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Virgo/Taurus/Taurus

My sun is actually on the cusp of virgo and leo though, I was born at 12:21am on August 23rd




solid combo :thumbup:

was there any response to your reply? did you tap that at least?


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: philopian_tube]
    #22497794 - 11/08/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, this was the response.

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read it but I can't say I really got anything out of it.

I understand you're intelligent and all but could you please dumb your words down next time you write me something? because I didn't understand about half of that.





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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22497806 - 11/08/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The crash was pushed back tonight, tomorow is a decidedly final stand on this wretchedly strong and dangerously addictive drug. Since I won't be sleeping tonight I'll be zombying through tomorow getting shit done and then doing whatever I fucking can to sleep early and put this book on the shelf. A story, one still being written as we speak. My buddies and I saw a few couches on the side of the road, gonna try to bring them into our courtyard for when we do fires if they're clean enough.

One of my friends who's on the journey with me is feverishly searching the Internet for the cheapest possible nitrous oxide deal :lol: kind of silly, for such a novelty but I won't spoil the fun. He's having a blast calculating out the cost per canister on each and every vendor he can find and then figuring out the recycle value by summing the weight of the lot. He's subtracting the recycle value from the cost, and reading off each potential price per cartridge that he finds. He's trying to beat $0.33/cartridge right now I believe. I'm sure he'll get it lower, he's fucking lit and said he won't stop til he can get it for a quarter a pop.
It's all so trivial but entertaining!

Gotta go get that couch still, there's a few out there. It's cold though fuck.






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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: morrowasted]
    #22497812 - 11/08/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, this was the response.

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read it but I can't say I really got anything out of it.

I understand you're intelligent and all but could you please dumb your words down next time you write me something? because I didn't understand about half of that.





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haha what do you teach? I would take that class


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22498636 - 11/08/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah. You sound like you are a good candidate to become a tweaker.

I've had this one time where I thought a tank was in the front of my house about to take me away because I met this guy that I thought was sketchy when I was buying meth.

I called everyone in my family and told them I loved them and was going away for a long time but I couldn't tell them more because the phones are tapped. I then cleaned the house of all this yellow meth residue that I thought was there. And it was on everything. I didn't run the vacuum because I thought theyd hear it and would know I was disposing of evidence. Cops were creeping through the yard at times, knocking on closet doors, shining lights in my windows, etc. I finally called the cops to ask them questions about the tank like cop vehicle and they showed up and told me I was insane. I then finally believed what all my friends were telling me.

It was hard to try to explain this to my family without telling them I was on meth.

I left a lot of details out and other stories of psychosis, but you get the point. This shit will make you batshit crazy.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Alexestalex]
    #22498731 - 11/09/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Meth got rid of her face fat nicely and made her hotter





I'd still smash it on the right. Just get her a Xannax, a shower, a good feed when she wakes up, more meth and shed be good to go man trust


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22498732 - 11/09/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You have to learn to look for potential bros


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22499367 - 11/09/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

A bit crass but true.

The day is Monday, dire straights but i've held my guard. Haven't bought more meth, and I just railed my last bump moments ago.

We bought a 750 piece puzzle, and have been intermittently working on it (not looking at the box, this shit's tough). Should have went with 500 pieces.

The couch was tough to move but the three of us managed. 10 fucking blocks later. We took a few pitstops because we thought we saw money in the leaves, and because our hands were killing us. While we were nearing the house I thought I saw a massive fuckin dog blocking the path, my friend, "B" , saw it too. Nearly shit ourselves, it looked like it was standing so still, poised for attack! Luckily it was just a fallen tree branch.

By the time we moved the couch "J" had gotten home from some rando's house. We were happy to see a new face so late/early in the morning! Especially since it's J, and he's down for anything all the time, except meth he fears meth (good). Then my buddy T hit me up and told me he couldn't sleep, we invited him over and gave him a small bump. Then the 5 of us cruised out to Walmart and had a grand time looking at everything and buying random shit.

J made out the best with the shopping, being that he wasn't tweaking, managed to actually buy necessary things (chicken). B ended up buying a green lightbulb and a pack of playing cards, T bought crayons and a blank sketchpad + some food, S wandered around for a half hour, got lost from the pack, thought to be kidnapped for a brief second, and then was found outside the building smoking a cigarette. I got a chessboard for our apartment, 96 crayons and a sketchpad, a 5-in-1 movie collection containing 70-80's movies i've never heard of, and the aforementioned puzzle from hell.
Overall it was a good time, then we tried to go to Salv Army but it was closed.

Managed to get 8 hours of sleep last night. Felt like shit this morning til I finished the bag, but I've got 2-fma to turn to as a sort of tweakers taper.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22499417 - 11/09/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Overall it was fun and unproductive.
I won't be buying more. Crash is too shitty, drug is too euphoric and powerful to keep around.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: philopian_tube]
    #22499718 - 11/09/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

morrowasted said:
Yeah, this was the response.

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read it but I can't say I really got anything out of it.

I understand you're intelligent and all but could you please dumb your words down next time you write me something? because I didn't understand about half of that.





:bobmarley:




haha what do you teach? I would take that class



I was a Spanish teacher, lol


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse] * 3
    #22499910 - 11/09/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Cya next time

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22500676 - 11/09/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You'll be back.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: lowbrow]
    #22500687 - 11/09/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Luckily for me, I wont. I'm an addict of novelty, not drugs.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse] * 1
    #22500692 - 11/09/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22500751 - 11/09/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Luckily for me, I wont. I'm an addict of novelty, not drugs.


Except opiates briefly.




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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse] * 3
    #22500816 - 11/09/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Luckily for me, I wont. I'm an addict of novelty, not drugs.


Except opiates briefly.



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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Near Dylan]
    #22500907 - 11/09/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

they always come back


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22500986 - 11/09/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i get the same kind of kicks one gets from amphetamines just from staying up all night all through the next day drinking coffee n shit. if u're into that kind of stuff but dont like shit drugs like meth it's def a better alternative ime.

fuck staying awake drugs tho, unless u really need them n shit, sometimes the time does call for them,  but most of time it doesnt.. there is never really a need for such drugs as meth unless u;re;

a: a child rebel in liberia

b: scared shitless under chaotic war zones n shit

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: zZZz]
    #22501039 - 11/09/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

No you are not getting te same effects from sleep depriving yourself and drinking coffee


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22501101 - 11/09/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Smoke pot! Not meth! Don't be like this woman:

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #22501359 - 11/09/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This comedown has made me an absolute misery and an asshole. I'm gradually getting out of it though and can't wait to get back to baseline.

No wonder people fall on the hook so quick, this is the death of joy. Hoping that tomorow im a more mellow fellow.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22501374 - 11/09/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

there is no comedown you just gotta get better at doing meth, once you learn how to ride the high there won't be a comedown.  it takes practice tho!


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: sharmacy] * 2
    #22501391 - 11/09/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Spare me the lies. You think I just have to change my meth method?
To retain the logical clarity and speed of the drug while losing its wings? It's like flying a jet into a rock.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22501423 - 11/09/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you probably sat in one place with really bad posture for the majority of your high not breathing right/eating or drinking and doing something uncool like researching whippets.

had you done yoga the whole time you wouldn't be having a comedown imho.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22501432 - 11/09/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You just need some heroin man. That will fix everything.

And try banging your meth next time, it doesn't last so long that way.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: sharmacy]
    #22501441 - 11/09/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

If you want to split hairs then you can "make anything not awful" by simply projecting good energy. I'm watching stand up on YouTube to bring me out of this, and yeah it's helping. It's still an awful feeling, whether I moderately distract myself from it or not.

I hit an awful bump in the road by having to attend a class today, where the primary discussion was cencorship in media and civil rights in an evolving technological landscape. There were a lot of awful things we were told to discuss.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22501469 - 11/09/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly you just have to sleep. Xannax is perfect for it. Have a shower, hydrate, get a good sleep, eat a good meal when you wake up and you'll be fine. There's no point fighting through te conedown and psychosis, just take some downers and sleep it off and you'll be back to normal


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22501479 - 11/09/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's better when you smoke it too


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: zZZz]
    #22501528 - 11/09/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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i get the same kind of kicks one gets from amphetamines just from staying up all night all through the next day drinking coffee n shit. if u're into that kind of stuff but dont like shit drugs like meth it's def a better alternative ime.



Yeah, but I'm willing to bet you couldnn't have rampant sex for 23 hours straight (with a couple of short breaks of course) without meth in your system. I had no idea I was capable of such things, but that shit turns you into a fucking superhuman.

Of course you get psychosis after a few days awake on it, after which it becomes a bit ridiculous, so I gave it up after the first time that happened.

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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #22502848 - 11/09/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well i meant more like the mental aspects, and not really the peak itself either, but the comedown n shit, like u feel all depressed and like the whole world seems so chaotic n stuff, which to me is what the drug is really all about, like that;s the end product. def can't replace it, but it can def work as a kind of semi alternative in the sense that u can intimidate some, not all, of its effects using homemade, over the counter, mostly safe, products and a lil bit of will power


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: zZZz]
    #22502908 - 11/09/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've never gone down the meth road before - though I feel like it's possible I've taken it unwittingly in the form of an ectasy pressie that I drunkenly took because it was free and I was way more reckless.

I have adderall that I've squirreled away that I take therapeutic doses of about once a week - I have a script for it that's been sitting around for a few months now unused, meth just seems like it would be unnecessary overkill for me. I have friends who have gone down that road here, some went through a meth phase, I had a group of friends in a band who would go on meth binges when they were recording albums and they'd just...fall off the map for like a couple of weeks to lock themselves in a room and play music.
Most seem to come out of it fine, some of them took a little longer and refuse to touch it, but overall, I'm finding that most people I know who do drugs have done meth without me realizing it.

In this area, meth is much less of a problem than heroin, which I've never done either, but apparently it's strong as fuck, cheap, and everywhere 'round here.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: pirate-blues] * 2
    #22502942 - 11/09/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The problem with meth is its almost too strong. Like its to the point that it's tough to slot into any lifestyle just purey based off of how long it lasts and the repetitive nature of redoing it encourages. Like for e.g. You can easily lose a weekend like it was nothing and then be at the precipice of Monday morning while the world is still on tilt and a highly suspicious place. Some of the stuff I get I can smoke literally maybe 3-4 times in a weekend and be peaking the whole time.

You can go a week easily with maybe 10 hours sleep total, and maybe two meals and feel normal - nourished and rested. But at the same time your completely shpongled and off the planet and have retardo power.

Like for e.g. How modest was describing his mate trying to get the cost per cartridge ratio down to 25c, that's textbook tweaker retardo quests. Where you think your doing real good work and intelligent high concentration shit but really your just doing pointless irrelevant potato shit that has no real bearing in anything. It's just what keeping you occupied


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22502962 - 11/09/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

why is it that tweaker pads never have any doors(inside) or much furniture, but somehow, the stove always survives?


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22503506 - 11/10/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

retardo quests hahah

I had a methhead tell me how she would count nails for hours on end


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: thelanzii] * 1
    #22503516 - 11/10/15 04:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you can get zoned into anything on meth. but thats the thing, you need something to do. without anything to do you will go crazy and just yeah, no bueno. but when you have something to focus on and occupy yourself with it can be glorious


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22503818 - 11/10/15 07:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've done meth twice in my life and both time the come down that ensues after the high is horrible. I mean so horrible that killing yourself, to get out of the pain you are feeling, was an option. I purchased the crystal through the dnm. Both of the time I've done it  I only dosed once and threw the rest in the toilette right away.  My first time was by snorting it. The effect were very nice and I could see myself always wanting more,so I decided to flush it down the toilette. The second time I smoked it,oh my oh my, I've done crack before but the high that you get from smoking it is such a rush of euphoria and clear mindedness.

I don't plan on doing crystal meth again, this is a drug that you do not want even to get near. Crystal meth is crazy and it will turn you crazy before you even realize it.


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Re: Meth for the first time [Re: Bumbaa]
    #22503893 - 11/10/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

As someone who has done meth more times than they can even fathom I say this article is a good read

People who have never done it, this article tells you why you shouldn't

http://lighthouserecoveryinstitute.com/methamphetamine-addiction/


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: ModestMouse]
    #22503935 - 11/10/15 08:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Meth is good for the mind and soul.


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: Alexestalex]
    #22503941 - 11/10/15 08:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Meth is the fucking satan basilisk


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: Near Dylan]
    #22503945 - 11/10/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nah weed is worse

Meth makes you way more productive, weed just makes you lazy.


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: Near Dylan]
    #22503952 - 11/10/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I only ever snorted it and never more than one time in a stretch.  Snort a line in the AM, work like a fiend.  Go to bed when it wore off.  Never had a problem with it using that protocol.


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22504658 - 11/10/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So I've been taking adderall lately. 30mg salt capsules. Today I took 60mg. But I was talking to my friend and he thinks it is just as bad as doing meth. What do you guys think?


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: zappaisgod]
    #22504883 - 11/10/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I actually think snorting meth is a bad idea because it burns pretty bad and also, as I said before its potent as all hell. So one could snort a seemingly benign but decentish size line and accidentally get themselves higher then mick jagger


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: Soulidarity]
    #22504966 - 11/10/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

For me it burns like hell for 20 seconds then my nasal cavity goes numb

Terrible for the nose


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #22505121 - 11/10/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's not the same as meth even if you get spun on it. Meth is the super stimulant and is stronger then any other stimulant on the planet


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Re: Meth for the first and last time [Re: Boomer The Great]
    #22505126 - 11/10/15 01:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So I've been taking adderall lately. 30mg salt capsules. Today I took 60mg. But I was talking to my friend and he thinks it is just as bad as doing meth. What do you guys think?






Nah. Unless we're talking pharmaceutical grade meth, pharmaceutical amphetamines is by far the safer choice - There is far less chance of neurotoxicity with appropriate use of the latter, and of course, quality control, and overall less potency. As someone who's had a prescription for 5+ years, I suggest you work hard at keeping your tolerance low. 60 mgs a day is okay, but if I were you I would do every other day or 3-4 days a week max. Nothing good comes from going beyond the therapeutic dosage and nothing good comes from letting your tolerance get out of control. They'll wear you out fast if you let them, but meth will certainly do it faster.

I do think that meth can be used responsibly, but I think that's an extremely difficult task, much more so than amphetamines, because of the overall potency of the drug.
And meth is prescribed medicinally under the name Desoxyn, but I don't know what it takes for a doctor to prescribe you meth or for your insurance to agree to cover it because I know most insurance companies will get pissy when it comes to controlled substances of any kind.



Also, I hate snorting anything. I don't like the burn, the disgusting drip/taste, the effects on your nose long term. Ick. I will always, always eat a drug if I have the chance, and it's way smoother, lasts longer, and normally I pass things up because of that preference. There's something extremely offputting about smoking anything other than weed or dmt to me, too, so meth is really really not on my agenda mainly for those reasons.


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