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    #22485342 - 11/06/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I recently gave a friend the remainder of a spore syringe to inoculate his own batch. When he had asked me to take a look at the growth in them, I noticed that he used the wrong jars, and they are very untapered. His colonization is almost complete, and before trying any method of removal, I figured I would ask if anyone knew a way to remove the cakes intact, or shatter the glass without breaking up or damaging the cake. Any ideas would be appreciated, damaging the glass is not an issue as they wouldn't be used again obviously. Thanks.


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: famousgoodguy]
    #22485374 - 11/06/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What growing method is your friend gonna use? If he doing casings, it'd be no big deal to harm the cake slightly. But If youre trying o keep the cakes intact,  the best thing I can think of is putting the jars one at a time in a pillow case. On by one, crack the glass with a hammer. If you keep the pillow case decently tight around the jar (but not too tight) one would think you would have a pretty good chance of doing no harm whatsoever..


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420]
    #22485383 - 11/06/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

So you're saying the jars have a shoulder and you'll be unable to pop the cakes out of the jars intact?


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #22485434 - 11/06/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Im thinkin so man. Theres gotta be a weak spot somewhere. My guess is like right under the neck. I'd try one. It doesnt work, use the mycelium from that jar to stick in another one. Maybe have some ready for less risk of contamination..


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420]
    #22485452 - 11/06/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I dunno man. This comes to mind, but it might be a little more advanced than you were looking for.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20410651


If nothing else, use the raw cakes as spawn for a mini mono or bucket of mushies. :shrug:


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #22485461 - 11/06/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, thats pretty much what I was gettin at. Just more time spent in the closet, no big loss.


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420] * 1
    #22485541 - 11/06/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Could just fruit them out of the jar..


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420]
    #22485835 - 11/06/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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So you're saying the jars have a shoulder and you'll be unable to pop the cakes out of the jars intact?




Yes, they actually have quite a large shoulder.

I should of mentioned earlier, but the cake substrate is BRF/V. I appreciate all the replies so fast, and it has given me a few ideas. He has enough jars to where a trial and error process can be used. I've only grown before using intact cakes, I have no experience with any other method, but I'd be willing to try.


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Inocuole]
    #22486005 - 11/06/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Could just fruit them out of the jar..




Even better suggestion.  :cookiemonster:


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #22486214 - 11/06/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yep can even use the dry layer as a casing layer if ya wanted, i would just spawn the cakes to bulk myself, you would be waiting a week to consolidate anyway in in that week you can can have your bulk colonized and ready to fruit


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Inocuole]
    #22486220 - 11/06/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Could just fruit them out of the jar..






It worked for me.

Definitely not ideal, but it will fruit. Just let the jar do 1-2 weeks of consoldating after 100 percent colonization, pour off the dry vermi layer, mist gently with water, and put entire jar in your SGFC.


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22486232 - 11/06/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Could just fruit them out of the jar..






It worked for me.

Definitely not ideal, but it will fruit. Just let the jar do 1-2 weeks of consoldating after 100 percent colonization, pour off the dry vermi layer, mist gently with water, and put entire jar in your SGFC.



I would add another layer of fresh verm on top as a casing layer, might help get more out of it.


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Inocuole]
    #22486252 - 11/06/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I dont think that that would help man... the extra verm isnt gonna do anything


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420]
    #22486255 - 11/06/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

yes it will


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: cronicr]
    #22486259 - 11/06/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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yes it will



Can you explain why?


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420]
    #22486265 - 11/06/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

provide better conditions for pins to form on top


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420]
    #22486269 - 11/06/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It helps keep the cake from drying out and provide a low nutrient pinning surface and a microclimate, as well as holding water.  Lack of water happens to be the main reason cakes don't produce well.  Verm acts as a casing layer and a reservoir for fruits to draw from.


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Inocuole]
    #22486292 - 11/06/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

man you guys are awesome! Thank you! I feel like a dweeb. Gues just gotta do some more reading. Thanks you guys!


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420] * 1
    #22486298 - 11/06/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

NO PROBLEM MAN THANKS FOR PULLING THE PEN AND PAD OUT INSTEAD OF GETTING ALL BENT UP LOL!


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: RipvanBongBowl420]
    #22486300 - 11/06/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, that's normally why you do the dunk and roll.  Straight BRF doesn't pin too well because it's so nutritious.  Cubes really like to do most of their pinning in a low nutrient surface like verm or coir or peat/jiffy mix, etc.  Water retention is just a plus.


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Inocuole]
    #22486393 - 11/06/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, that's normally why you do the dunk and roll.  Straight BRF doesn't pin too well because it's so nutritious.  Cubes really like to do most of their pinning in a low nutrient surface like verm or coir or peat/jiffy mix, etc.  Water retention is just a plus.



Yeah I remember that step now from the RR video. Sorry man lol


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Re: Wrong Jars [Re: Fungus Mountain]
    #22486419 - 11/06/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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If nothing else, use the raw cakes as spawn for a mini mono or bucket of mushies. :shrug:




This is exactly what I'd do. It's how I learned to case. Sometimes making a mistake can lead to greater things.


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