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deadend
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PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback
#22484680 - 11/06/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is my shotgun fruiting chamber setup inside a closet. It's dark to see, but the chamber sits on a grated shelf about 6 inches from the floor. 6500k light sits on a stand on the top shelf. Currently four BRF cakes in the pinning stage. Misting 3X per day, fanning 5. Light goes on in the morning and off at night.
Looking to fine tune this setup and wanted to get the community's input.
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: deadend]
#22484686 - 11/06/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks nice man. I am getting my supplies for my first grow this Saturday. Not sure if the light can penetrate the container lid though. Clear one would probably work better.
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MrSturgill
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: deadend]
#22484694 - 11/06/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm guessing you can't get it out of that closet?
Looks fine, you should only be fanning right after misting. Try to keep your sgfc closed to keep up RH unless you're misting/fanning.
If you have some pins you're doing alright, keep it up
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MrSturgill
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: Sade]
#22484701 - 11/06/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sade said: Looks nice man. I am getting my supplies for my first grow this Saturday. Not sure if the light can penetrate the container lid though. Clear one would probably work better.
Either would be fine, my lid isn't clear and I'm doing well.
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deadend
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: MrSturgill]
#22487815 - 11/06/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MrSturgill said: I'm guessing you can't get it out of that closet?
Looks fine, you should only be fanning right after misting. Try to keep your sgfc closed to keep up RH unless you're misting/fanning.
If you have some pins you're doing alright, keep it up 
I can set it up out of closet, it's in there for two reasons: so that I can easily hide it from visitors and to try to keep it in a controlled environment. If I move it, it will go into my office, where I work all day, with a fan running, and the a/c and my dog coming in and out, etc, etc. I haven't gotten great production in the closet so maybe I should try setting up in the room.
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: deadend]
#22487832 - 11/06/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i tried the closet thing and had better luck putting it in the middle of the room, for FAE, and yeah, it'll work, but you can can get better results, listen to the pros, (not me)
good luck buddy!
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MrSturgill
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22488940 - 11/07/15 12:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I keep mine in an upstairs bedroom where nobody goes, no fan running and the heat vent is covered by a dresser, it provides some warmth but not a whole lot of air disruption, not everyone has this option though. Main things you want to focus on: FAE and proper misting/fanning. RH should be fine with a proper sgfc and enough perlite, proper misting will be enough to keep perlite going for a good month (varies by location). You definitely don't want your sgfc near a fan though, everything will get dried out way too fast. Just do some reading and you'll be fine, you've made it this far. I have some links below my sig if you click on my name that will help you out. Can we get some pics of inside your sgfc? A look at those cakes might help others provide some feedback. Do a couple pics before and after misting.
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: MrSturgill]
#22488959 - 11/07/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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How long do you fan for. If its longer than 1-5 seconds its too long.
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MrSturgill
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: Groo]
#22488979 - 11/07/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just do a few light passes with the lid, nothing major. Like how you would see in the movies with the jungle king getting fanned by some hot chick with a big leaf. (or something like that)
Lol I've heard of people actually knocking their cakes over by fanning XD that is definitely too much/too hard.
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deadend
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22500160 - 11/09/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: i tried the closet thing and had better luck putting it in the middle of the room, for FAE, and yeah, it'll work, but you can can get better results, listen to the pros, (not me)
good luck buddy!
Did you have a fan or A/C running in the room?
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: Groo]
#22500173 - 11/09/15 12:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Groo said: How long do you fan for. If its longer than 1-5 seconds its too long.
Definitely longer than five seconds. Especially with it in the closet because I'm trying to move some of the still closet air out into the room. Also should have mentioned, the closet door always stays open.
I've read a good bit on PF tek and had a few successful runs, but I don't recall emphasis being put on the amount of time spent fanning. What's the downside of fanning more than five seconds?
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: MrSturgill]
#22500264 - 11/09/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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MrSturgill said: I keep mine in an upstairs bedroom where nobody goes, no fan running and the heat vent is covered by a dresser, it provides some warmth but not a whole lot of air disruption, not everyone has this option though. Main things you want to focus on: FAE and proper misting/fanning. RH should be fine with a proper sgfc and enough perlite, proper misting will be enough to keep perlite going for a good month (varies by location). You definitely don't want your sgfc near a fan though, everything will get dried out way too fast. Just do some reading and you'll be fine, you've made it this far. I have some links below my sig if you click on my name that will help you out. Can we get some pics of inside your sgfc? A look at those cakes might help others provide some feedback. Do a couple pics before and after misting.

This batch is a strikeout. Saw two little pins pop out last week that aborted quickly. Since then nothing. It looks to me like the outside of the cakes/verm dried out too quickly. A little backstory: Inoculated 10 jars originally, lost 3 to mold and 3 that stalled out colonizing. Sp. Syringe was a few months old, but had been kept in the fridge. Previously have used 1 cup H20, 2 cups Verm, 1 cup BRF for 5 jars per RR video. This always left the fifth jar less full than the rest. So on this batch I tried adding a little bit more BRF/Verm to the mix. I think the result was that the substrate was too dry. The jars that did fully colonize took much longer than usual, 6-7 weeks as opposed to 4. Usually have some pins showing in the jar, none for this time.
Gonna move the FC out of closet and start over again. Any feedback on all the above is much appreciated.
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: deadend]
#22500288 - 11/09/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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So with the recipe dont mess the with quantities just make a but more but like 1 cup of verm and like 1/2 cup water and 1/2cup brf. Just to keep all the portions the same. Thats what I did last weekend and it looked good.
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: deadend]
#22510211 - 11/11/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Now I'm really confused. Since I last posted (2 days ago), I've left the chamber alone and kind of forgotten about it. So no misting/fanning or lamp light. It still got the indirect sunlight and ceiling light from out in the room during the day, and the chamber remained closed. I opened it today and find:


Pins! Cakes kind of look like a teenager's face breaking out. Anyone have an idea what's going on scientifically here? Shouldn't the cakes have completely dried out without misting and fanning? Does this suggest that I had misted too much previously?
And more importantly, what should I do now? Return to a misting/fanning schedule?
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: deadend]
#22510238 - 11/11/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cakes have quite a lot of internal moisture content, if they were dunked properly, so they can sustain themselves without misting for a while without drying out.
Fanning in a SGFC is not really that relevant, the FAE from the holes does the same job in 5 minutes as a few seconds of fanning. You're only trying to accelerate evap to promote pinning, which as you've seen from your cakes has happened perfectly well without
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: Shroomspective]
#22510271 - 11/11/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Roger Rabbit says you want cakes to dry out so they pin. One of the biggest mistakes new cultivators make is over misting, you will learn to listen to the cakes and mist as they need it and not when you want to.
THose are great looking! Well done.
Edited by Mycologist217 (11/11/15 04:55 PM)
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: Mycologist217]
#22510634 - 11/11/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is the longest time you can go without misting before there is significant damage to the cakes? 9-13 days earlier?
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: Groo]
#22512769 - 11/12/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Groo said: What is the longest time you can go without misting before there is significant damage to the cakes? 9-13 days earlier?
Good question. I'm still wondering when I should mist again, what signs to look for. RH on Hygro inside chamber has remained close to constant so there's not a need there.
Thanks for the feedback Mycologist217 and Shroomspective!
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: deadend]
#22512777 - 11/12/15 07:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You want your cakes and perlite to look dry before misting again. check the perlite with clean, dry hands.
Its the cycling of moisture to evaporation to moisture that cakes enjoy for fruiting.
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22512999 - 11/12/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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U don't want the surface to be bone dry tho. Can't stress that enough. You want it to go from slightly damp > glistening with no pooling water back to slightly damp
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Re: PF tek Shotgun FC setup - need your feedback [Re: Mad Season]
#22513308 - 11/12/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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My supercomputer brains spit out 1.5 days-2 days of neglect tek every week or so. lol
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