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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #22488902 - 11/06/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd stop throwing punches as soon as he let go of the tie, until then it's open season. I'd beat him in the head with something heavy if I had it available. You're not gonna sit there pulling on a noose around my neck and not get everything I can possibly throw at you to injure you and stop you.

Pretty simple concept, don't wanna wind up in the hospital, don't put my well being in danger and then continue to keep it in danger after I've made it more than known this is not acceptable.




I agree, but I probably woulda stopped throwing punches after realizing im 5 punches ahead of him, its just not right, even if he started it and was in the wrong I wouldnt lower myself to his standard and pretty much beat him till hes down and out.

You guys actin like im not on the managers side, im just saying he coulda controlled the situation better.

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wouldnt matter. your ass would have a gaping hole in your spleen when the unstable
asshole stabs you or you'll end up in jail

you've never even been in a fight have you




A gaping hole in my spleen, really?

What kinda question is that, im pretty sure every human has been into a fight atleast once in their life, its just a part of humans, ive fought strangers as well as family and survived them all, give humans credit, we are stronger then that.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Chakanooga]
    #22488917 - 11/07/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The second this guy tried to choke him and pull him out of the business (this is the middle of the night no less, and I can tell you from experience the shadiest of fucking people come out of the woodwork on the overnight shift) which is his only real safety net, all bets are off. You think a coked up violent shithead with no regard for your life is going to stab you through the drive through window? Nah.. He's gonna drag your ass outside and do it there. I'm not saying that was this guy's intentions but you can't base it on what people's intentions are especially in the heat of the moment. To work overnights in businesses like this, you have to be far more vigilant and be ready for ANYTHING and always assume the worst. My store was actually robbed at gun point very shortly after I moved to over nights. Cashier knew he was shady but refused to adopt that mindset, and nearly lost her life for doing it.

5 punches ahead? This isn't a contest.. This isn't trading licks, this is a fight. In a fight you do what you have to secure your own well being. Doesn't matter if the guy has only landed one punch and you've landed 50. As long as he's still being the aggressor, you don't stop. There is a difference between self defense and assault. If you are only throwing punches while actively trying to stop the incident that caused punches to start in the first place, that is still self defense. At any point this dumbass could've let go and walked away and got in his car and drove off. He chose not to and chose to make the employee continue to defend himself. That is 100% on him. There is no common courtesy in matters like these. He chose to remain the aggressor. He chose to keep getting hit.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22488948 - 11/07/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The second this guy tried to choke him and pull him out of the business (this is the middle of the night no less, and I can tell you from experience the shadiest of fucking people come out of the woodwork on the overnight shift) which is his only real safety net, all bets are off. You think a coked up violent shithead with no regard for your life is going to stab you through the drive through window? Nah.. He's gonna drag your ass outside and do it there. I'm not saying that was this guy's intentions but you can't base it on what people's intentions are especially in the heat of the moment. To work overnights in businesses like this, you have to be far more vigilant and be ready for ANYTHING and always assume the worst. My store was actually robbed at gun point very shortly after I moved to over nights. Cashier knew he was shady but refused to adopt that mindset, and nearly lost her life for doing it.

5 punches ahead? This isn't a contest.. This isn't trading licks, this is a fight. In a fight you do what you have to secure your own well being. Doesn't matter if the guy has only landed one punch and you've landed 50. As long as he's still being the aggressor, you don't stop. There is a difference between self defense and assault. If you are only throwing punches while actively trying to stop the incident that caused punches to start in the first place, that is still self defense. At any point this dumbass could've let go and walked away and got in his car and drove off. He chose not to and chose to make the employee continue to defend himself. That is 100% on him. There is no common courtesy in matters like these. He chose to remain the aggressor. He chose to keep getting hit.





Trust me I work nightshift and when a car drives by looking shady I always think it could be a possible robbery, but at no point in this video did it look like it was going to be a fight to the death, a stabbing, or a shooting, it was a basic brawl almost at the same level as a bar fight.

Yeah, its not a contest, but when your punching someone and they look pretty out of it, then they are probably holding on your tie for balance, instead of trying to harm you anymore, but he kept going to the point where dude was like fuck it so he dropped the the ground and started booting him. Its all cause and effect.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Chakanooga]
    #22488970 - 11/07/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

LOL he wasn't holding the tie for balance, perhaps you didn't really watch the video carefully enough. He's trying to drag him out by the tie.

Number one thing I was told about working overnights is never let someone get me outside the store. If I felt something was truly off I was to discretely call the police for a "random drive-by" which they understood meant there is someone in the store acting extremely shady and they needed to establish a presence until said person was gone. If at all possible avoid direct confrontation, find a way to get them to exit and lock the doors and call the police then.

The building is "home base" as best we get. It is a lot easier to become a victim outside of it, and if someone is trying to get you out of it, you should do whatever is in your power to not let it happen.

The point of all this isn't really what this person's intentions were once he drug him out of the store, it's what they could be and how dangerous it can be to get isolated outside like that. You don't let it happen, ever.

If we're going to be honest, what that manager did was highly restrained. I would have done worse. So what if I get fired or fined or whatever. My life is more important to me than some shitty job. It's obviously self defense, so I face little or no legal repercussion. If the company wants to fire me for refusing to be a victim, so be it.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Chakanooga]
    #22488981 - 11/07/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Your opinions are stupid.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22488983 - 11/07/15 12:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

As a side note, all of this is said by someone who literally goes out of his way to avoid fights. If you start actually hitting me, I'm not going to just run away, but as long as it's still in the verbal stages, I will do my absolute best to deescalate the situation. Even if it means having to listen to some person tell me I'm a bitch 10x over. I really don't give a fuck about what people say to me. There is no way to tell how a fight will progress or what may happen in one, so I avoid them the best I can. Back me into a corner though, even if you win, you are not walking away uninjured. I'm no Kung Fu master, but most of the people who are hell bent on fighting, aren't either.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22488992 - 11/07/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Your opinions are stupid.




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As a side note, all of this is said by someone who literally goes out of his way to avoid fights. If you start actually hitting me, I'm not going to just run away, but as long as it's still in the verbal stages, I will do my absolute best to deescalate the situation. Even if it means having to listen to some person tell me I'm a bitch 10x over. I really don't give a fuck about what people say to me. There is no way to tell how a fight will progress or what may happen in one, so I avoid them the best I can. Back me into a corner though, even if you win, you are not walking away uninjured. I'm no Kung Fu master, but most of the people who are hell bent on fighting, aren't either.



Excellent, as would I, but the only thing we are different on is how we execute our fights, I believe in a thing called mercy because its part of my morals.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Chakanooga]
    #22489010 - 11/07/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Mercy is granted when the aggressor decides he's had enough (or in rare cases, this not being one) where they really can't be a threat any longer. Mercy is walking away when the person is no longer a threat and not pursuing the fight further just because you're pissed off.

I believe in a thing called mercy as well. There is only one instance in which I did not grant mercy, and I was young, and the guy had just tried to strangle me. I was beyond pissed and I let my emotions take over. Putting in spoilers for I dunno why, maybe so people can just skip it if they wish.

The short of it is me and a friend walked in one of his mom's friends trying to rape her with his 8 year old sister in the house. Obviously things got violent quick, I grabbed his sister ran out the back door and hid her in some bushes and worked my way back to the house. Friend soon ran out as I was standing by the backdoor with the guy quickly following. He saw me, took me to the ground and started trying to choke me out while beating me in the face. Friend grabbed his baseball bat and beat him with it enough to break his back. He plainly said he gave up. I got up and started kicking him as hard as I could in his ribs and broke several. Ran back to my house to call the police and on the way slashed all his tires so he couldn't get away. He tried on foot and made it about a block or two. Cops found him laying the street mostly unresponsive. I was a very young teen when it happened and not as in control of my compulsions as I am these days.

And yes, I do feel badly about the incident, even given why it started. He deserved his ass beat, he deserved a lengthy prison sentence, but I don't know that he deserved the possibility of spending the rest of his life in a wheel chair. This is actually one of the incidents that most shaped who I am today when it comes to fighting and how you never know how they will end up turning out. There is literally no way I could have guessed from the first punch my friend threw that this guy would possibly end up paralyzed for life in a matter of minutes. Things could have gone the complete opposite way as well. Fighting is too unpredictable and I avoid it when I can.

This post comes to you from benzos and alcohol as that is when I tend to ramble and tell random stories.

Also as a side note, the only thing cops wanted from us, was testimony. The case was bad enough that they didn't give one shit about how we handled things and we gave them every single detail. He was later found to of been on many drugs, including meth and PCP


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22489022 - 11/07/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Mercy is granted when the aggressor decides he's had enough (or in rare cases, this not being one) where they really can't be a threat any longer. Mercy is walking away when the person is no longer a threat and not pursuing the fight further just because you're pissed off.

I believe in a thing called mercy as well. There is only one instance in which I did not grant mercy, and I was young, and the guy had just tried to strangle me. I was beyond pissed and I let my emotions take over. Putting in spoilers for I dunno why, maybe so people can just skip it if they wish.

The short of it is me and a friend walked in one of his mom's friends trying to rape her with his 8 year old sister in the house. Obviously things got violent quick, I grabbed his sister ran out the back door and hid her in some bushes and worked my way back to the house. Friend soon ran out as I was standing by the backdoor with the guy quickly following. He saw me, took me to the ground and started trying to choke me out while beating me in the face. Friend grabbed his baseball bat and beat him with it enough to break his back. He plainly said he gave up. I got up and started kicking him as hard as I could in his ribs and broke several. Ran back to my house to call the police and on the way slashed all his tires so he couldn't get away. He tried on foot and made it about a block or two. Cops found him laying the street mostly unresponsive. I was a very young teen when it happened and not as in control of my compulsions as I am these days.

And yes, I do feel badly about the incident, even given why it started. He deserved his ass beat, he deserved a lengthy prison sentence, but I don't know that he deserved the possibility of spending the rest of his life in a wheel chair. This is actually one of the incidents that most shaped who I am today when it comes to fighting and how you never know how they will end up turning out. There is literally no way I could have guessed from the first punch my friend threw that this guy would possibly end up paralyzed for life in a matter of minutes. Things could have gone the complete opposite way as well. Fighting is too unpredictable and I avoid it when I can.

This post comes to you from benzos and alcohol as that is when I tend to ramble and tell random stories.

Also as a side note, the only thing cops wanted from us, was testimony. The case was bad enough that they didn't give one shit about how we handled things and we gave them every single detail. He was later found to of been on many drugs, including meth and PCP





Quite the sad story. Ive never had to fight for my life like that, just basic brawls that end up more heated and over exaggerated. But that is indeed a whole different story, because in a predicament like that, with the actions he has committed, you should technically be allowed to take his life due to the fact he was life threatening and obviously mentally unstable, trying to personally attack a civil and innocent family.

Glad you didnt kill the guy though. Calm and level headed is the way to be, we need more people like that instead of crazed lunatics with no remorse.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Shroomslip]
    #22489028 - 11/07/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Shiithead]
    #22489033 - 11/07/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Chakanooga]
    #22489041 - 11/07/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Actually the courts ruled in the employee's favor.

He was also a convicted felon that was released some years prior.

And I'd also have to agree with the court's on this one though.


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Shiithead]
    #22489046 - 11/07/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually the courts ruled in the employee's favor.

He was also a convicted felon that was released some years prior.

And I'd also have to agree with the court's on this one though.




Ik, but still, they were already on the floor, and hes still swinging. Its wtfness. They had to of known eachother before that or something...


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Chakanooga]
    #22489053 - 11/07/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nah they still had intentions to hurt him. If you had shot a rabid dog, and it got up as fast as that woman did, would you shoot it again or let it come at you again??


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Re: This is one I've never seen before (fighting through McDonald's drive-thru) [Re: Shiithead]
    #22489070 - 11/07/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Nah they still had intentions to hurt him. If you had shot a rabid dog, and it got up as fast as that woman did, would you shoot it again or let it come at you again??



If you shoot a rabid dog, its not gunna get up. And if it did, it would be a crippling and feeble attempt.


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