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Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep?
    #22483709 - 11/05/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hello folks, I inoculated my first batch on 10/17 using PF Tek with BRF. I put too much water in the PC causing some of the jars to be waterlogged. The substrate is pasty inside the jar. I decided to go and inoculate them anyway. I inoculated these jars in open air. I decided to keep these jars as a lesson, expecting them to be contaminated, but to my surprise there's been explosive myc growth. Can't see much from inside the jar but there doesn't seem to be any sour odor when I take a sniff near the inoc holes.

Do you think these jars are salvageable? Is it okay to put them next to my normal cakes in my SGFC? Or should I crumble the cakes, case them separately from the normal batch?

Jar 1



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Notice that there's substrate seeping out of the Jar 2's inoc hole as a result of waterlogging. I'm surprised this hasn't shown any particularly nasty contams considering the dry verm barrier has been breached. :crazy2:


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Psilonoob]
    #22484022 - 11/05/15 11:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hello, welcome to Shroomery.

To start, I see a problem off the bat, wheres the micropore tape that supposed to be over the holes?  Even though it does get holes poked through, it does help out keep contams a little bit.

Do these have a dry verm layer?

I would toss them, they look like they are pretty bacterial.  How many more jars did you inoculate?


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484044 - 11/06/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the welcome!

I don't have micropore tape on the lid, but I did have a dry verm layer inside the jar -- which unfortunately got soaked when I tried to PC it.

I suspected it might be bacterial as well, but I was surprised to see a lot of myc growth, plus I don't smell anything sour from the jars at all. All that pasty stuff you see is just substrate with too much water -- it's been like that since the first day.

I have 7 other jars that turned out alright (substrate not too wet), currently incubating.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Psilonoob]
    #22484083 - 11/06/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you never know, it could be fine,  But you cant really see as its cloudy in there.  And a substrate that's too wet is almost gaurenteed to get bacterial.

Pic of an ok jar?

What PC did you use?  Many have a line which tells where the minimum fill lvl is, or it says so in the instr manual.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484124 - 11/06/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Here's pictures of 2 of my fully colonized jars so far. Inoculated 10/18, and I plan on putting it in a SGFC by next Thursday 11/12.

It got a little too cold in the house so there was a lot of condensation inside the jars. Some of the condensation is a bit gelatinous, but I hope that it's just because of the substrate and not due to bacterial growth...






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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484129 - 11/06/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Hello, welcome to Shroomery.

To start, I see a problem off the bat, wheres the micropore tape that supposed to be over the holes?  Even though it does get holes poked through, it does help out keep contams a little bit.

Do these have a dry verm layer?

I would toss them, they look like they are pretty bacterial.  How many more jars did you inoculate?



Micropore tape on brf cakes is completely unnecessary, and if you inoculate through the tape it is rendered useless....

Why do you have foil under your lid?


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22484135 - 11/06/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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firstTIMER420 said:
Hello, welcome to Shroomery.

To start, I see a problem off the bat, wheres the micropore tape that supposed to be over the holes?  Even though it does get holes poked through, it does help out keep contams a little bit.

Do these have a dry verm layer?

I would toss them, they look like they are pretty bacterial.  How many more jars did you inoculate?



Micropore tape on brf cakes is completely unnecessary, and if you inoculate through the tape it is rendered useless....

Why do you have foil under your lid?





No it isn't. It keeps contams out until you inject the spores.  If your like me, I sterilize and let mine sit for a few days.  Also helps to keep some moisture from getting inside the jar that may get under the foil.  If there was no purpose, why would it be recommended?

Also, those jars look fine from what I can tell.  I see rhizo growth, and don't see any bacterial blotches at first glance.  Just make sure you smell them(wearing a mask) when spawning.  Any doubts, throw it out, seriously, its not worth your health.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484140 - 11/06/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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What PC did you use?  Many have a line which tells where the minimum fill lvl is, or it says so in the instr manual.



How would that make any difference?


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484141 - 11/06/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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firstTIMER420 said:
Hello, welcome to Shroomery.

To start, I see a problem off the bat, wheres the micropore tape that supposed to be over the holes?  Even though it does get holes poked through, it does help out keep contams a little bit.

Do these have a dry verm layer?

I would toss them, they look like they are pretty bacterial.  How many more jars did you inoculate?



Micropore tape on brf cakes is completely unnecessary, and if you inoculate through the tape it is rendered useless....

Why do you have foil under your lid?





No it isn't. It keeps contams out until you inject the spores.  If your like me, I sterilize and let mine sit for a few days.  Also helps to keep some moisture from getting inside the jar that may get under the foil.  If there was no purpose, why would it be recommended?

Also, those jars look fine from what I can tell.  I see rhizo growth, and don't see any bacterial blotches at first glance.  Just make sure you smell them(wearing a mask) when spawning.  Any doubts, throw it out, seriously, its not worth your health.



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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22484144 - 11/06/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Why do you have foil under your lid?




Because I didn't know any better. :biggrin:

It ends up working out though... I can sharpie the date on my jar lids and throw the foil out when I'm done with it.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22484147 - 11/06/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

He clearly stated that he waterlogged his cakes from too much water in the PC.  Helping him figure out how much water needs to be in his PC seems like a useful idea to me. Not sure about you, but im trying to help the guy.

Don't do the foil under the lid next time.

Another reason to use the MP tape is since he is just starting, its good not to deviate from teks now, as it will more than likely cause a habit of doing it in the future.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484153 - 11/06/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

OP, were your jars completely submerged in water when you pressure cooked?


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22484159 - 11/06/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Im going to laugh if he says yes.


no offense op, but that shits funny


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484168 - 11/06/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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He clearly stated that he waterlogged his cakes from too much water in the PC.  Helping him figure out how much water needs to be in his PC seems like a useful idea to me. Not sure about you, but im trying to help the guy.

Don't do the foil under the lid next time.

Another reason to use the MP tape is since he is just starting, its good not to deviate from teks now, as it will more than likely cause a habit of doing it in the future.




The PF Teks I used didn't recommend any MP tape, but I could see why it would be useful as it would provide an additional filter in addition to the dry verm layer. I'm thinking about using it for my next batch.

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OP, were your jars completely submerged in water when you pressure cooked?




No, I had stacked up two jars worth and had the PC filled up to half the bottom jar's height I think. Didn't have a rack to elevate the jars in the PC. Didn't realize how much the water would slosh inside the PC. The top jars were okay, but the bottom ones (the ones in my original post) were waterlogged. Learned from my mistakes and only fill it up to about a half inch of water now.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Psilonoob]
    #22484172 - 11/06/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Did you put anything on the bottom of the PC?


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484182 - 11/06/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you put anything on the bottom of the PC?




Nope. Didn't have anything handy at the time of PCing. :shrug:


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Psilonoob]
    #22484191 - 11/06/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you put anything on the bottom of the PC?




Nope. Didn't have anything handy at the time of PCing. :shrug:



Wadded up foil...a t-shirt... Some rings from lids... Anything bro...and ive never seen a pf tek that called for micropore tape...with a dry Vern layer it is obsolete...and if you stab it with your needle it becomes redundant.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22484197 - 11/06/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

"Ive never seen a PF tek that calls for micropore tape"

I don't know, how about the original one? :lol:


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22484207 - 11/06/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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"Ive never seen a PF tek that calls for micropore tape"

I don't know, how about the original one? :lol:



Shoot me a link... I bought lets grow mushrooms and I don't remember mp tape... Like how would you inoculate the jars?


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #22484254 - 11/06/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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"Ive never seen a PF tek that calls for micropore tape"

I don't know, how about the original one? :lol:



Shoot me a link... I bought lets grow mushrooms and I don't remember mp tape... Like how would you inoculate the jars?




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how long should I PC my PF tek jars(half pint) for?





I would chuck those jars, I'd be quite surprised if you were to get anything useful out of them.  Could keep them around if you are either out of spore solution or have more jars to try.  Otherwise chuck them before their contents gets messier.

If you are out of spore solution, you could make some BRF agar substitute plates and try to transfer some mycellium to them from your jars in a still air box.  Better yet, buy any pressure cooker of craigslist cheap and grab some real agar at the asian market.

As for the micropore tape, I never did PF tek with a verm barrier so I can't comment.  I think silicon injection ports and tyvek for GE are the way to go.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22484311 - 11/06/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The biggest issue your going to face with the jars set up that way is that when you hit 70/80% growth (if they make it that far) the condensation build up will have the cakes sitting in a pool of water.  I would recommend setting up a SAB, saying a prayer, and removing the foil and tape.  Air exchange is whats going to save the cakes. 

The only "filter" you need is the dry verm top layer. Foil is good for keeping excess moisture out of the cakes during PC-ing, after inoculation remove it.  Tape really isn't needed for cakes.  Good luck on saving them!


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22485103 - 11/06/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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LocN9ne said:
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firstTIMER420 said:
"Ive never seen a PF tek that calls for micropore tape"

I don't know, how about the original one? :lol:



Shoot me a link... I bought lets grow mushrooms and I don't remember mp tape... Like how would you inoculate the jars?




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how long should I PC my PF tek jars(half pint) for?





I would chuck those jars, I'd be quite surprised if you were to get anything useful out of them.  Could keep them around if you are either out of spore solution or have more jars to try.  Otherwise chuck them before their contents gets messier.

If you are out of spore solution, you could make some BRF agar substitute plates and try to transfer some mycellium to them from your jars in a still air box.  Better yet, buy any pressure cooker of craigslist cheap and grab some real agar at the asian market.

As for the micropore tape, I never did PF tek with a verm barrier so I can't comment.  I think silicon injection ports and tyvek for GE are the way to go.




Yes, I asked that question.  I just got a PC and the tek is for steam-sterilizing, not PCing. Unlike most people on this site, I like to have all the information I need before proceeding, and judging by the looks of my grows im consistently putting out, its paid off.

You might have used SFD's, but the point of PF tek is simplicity, not siliconing SFD's on lids.  That's the point of the dry verm barrier and the MP tape.

The first jars you posted look bad, the others don't really look that bad, like I said any doubt, toss em before you spread the contaminates.


BTW Machia, I couldn't find your user gallery or any pics of your grows, would you mind posting some?

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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22486780 - 11/06/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I post photos when I have something to say or something to ask.  They're there.  You can find them quite easily using the search function.

And unless using elmer's glue is challenging, I don't see how using SHIPs and a piece of postal tyvek is hard.  I expect most people who try PF tek to be a 1st grade level.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22486868 - 11/06/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hell, I skipped PF Tek altogether went straight to SHIP's and SFD's and thought it was pretty fucking easy. It's called reading and following instructions, verifying information thru questions in the forum. I don't think pf Tek is necessarily the first choice of new cultivators solely for simplicity, but rather for the level of financial and emotional involvement grain and bulk grows require. If someone has the time and money to commit to a proper monotub set-up, I can't see how they could justify choosing cakes instead.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22486888 - 11/06/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I just can't wrap my brain around the idea of injecting through tape, then believing that it is actually serving a purpose...


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22486902 - 11/06/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't even have to be a monotub, you can do great things with a $1 foil pan + plastic lid.

First and third flushes:



Honestly PF tek is for people without pressure cookers, slurry, or Spongiform to show his domination over mortal men with his mastery of fungi.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22486944 - 11/06/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I post photos when I have something to say or something to ask.  They're there.  You can find them quite easily using the search function.






Yup.


The purpose, as I already stated, is to keep contams out until you inject the spores, allowing the spores to get the first "whack" at it.

I agree, PF tek is recommended because of the relatively low cost and the simplicity, and gives the person a feel for growing.

That's all fine and dandy that you skipped the PF tek, to each their own.  Obviously this guy didn't, and he asked for help on this situation.  You don't even need ships, opening up the lid of the jar and injecting is actually better because it gets you used to doing it for inoculating with agar.  And as far as SFD's go, yes, they are great, if your not doing the PF tek, like this guy is.

Kali, you may be right for the majority, but I still run cakes.  Sure, if you can make the step up it makes sense, but its still nice doing them because its something different that requires constant attention instead of just leaving something in a room for a couple weeks.

OP probably chose cakes because he felt it was something easy, and something he could handle to get his feet wet without investing 100+ on petris, agar, grain, SFD or tyvek, quart jars, and god knows what else.  But, he is one step ahead of the curve by possessing a PC already.

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@Mach, good for you man, you can grow a tray.  I didn't come here to argue with you, Im here trying to help someone.  If you have a difference of opinion that's great, were all entitled to one. We all grow for different reasons. Stop derailing the thread.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22487038 - 11/06/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You can use a vermiculite barrier that can fail or you can use ships which will be good for a least a few uses before you pop them off and take a few minutes to lay down some fresh silicon.

You want people to get a still air box for PF tek and open the jars?

I don't see the point of micropore unless you're going to skip the verm barrier, inject through micropore it then patch it afterwards with a second piece of micropore.  It's supposed to allow GE, right?


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22491095 - 11/07/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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firstTIMER420 said:
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Machiavelliavore said:
I post photos when I have something to say or something to ask.  They're there.  You can find them quite easily using the search function.






Yup.


The purpose, as I already stated, is to keep contams out until you inject the spores, allowing the spores to get the first "whack" at it.

I agree, PF tek is recommended because of the relatively low cost and the simplicity, and gives the person a feel for growing.

That's all fine and dandy that you skipped the PF tek, to each their own.  Obviously this guy didn't, and he asked for help on this situation.  You don't even need ships, opening up the lid of the jar and injecting is actually better because it gets you used to doing it for inoculating with agar.  And as far as SFD's go, yes, they are great, if your not doing the PF tek, like this guy is.

Kali, you may be right for the majority, but I still run cakes.  Sure, if you can make the step up it makes sense, but its still nice doing them because its something different that requires constant attention instead of just leaving something in a room for a couple weeks.

OP probably chose cakes because he felt it was something easy, and something he could handle to get his feet wet without investing 100+ on petris, agar, grain, SFD or tyvek, quart jars, and god knows what else.  But, he is one step ahead of the curve by possessing a PC already.

Edit:

@Mach, good for you man, you can grow a tray.  I didn't come here to argue with you, Im here trying to help someone.  If you have a difference of opinion that's great, were all entitled to one. We all grow for different reasons. Stop derailing the thread.




The SHIPs would be of value to someone that didn't want to use a SAB. I have transitioned from the SHIP lids over to lids with just SFDs. While my tubs are colonizing and fruiting, I'm at work making money to pay my bills and more hobby supplies, not worrying about when my cakes will get misted or fanned next. I also am using my time not misting and fanning prepping more jars of grain, trying different Teks, agar work, and researching new species. If misting and fanning makes you feel more connected to your grow... Great. But I'm working on stepping up my game.


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