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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22484311 - 11/06/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The biggest issue your going to face with the jars set up that way is that when you hit 70/80% growth (if they make it that far) the condensation build up will have the cakes sitting in a pool of water.  I would recommend setting up a SAB, saying a prayer, and removing the foil and tape.  Air exchange is whats going to save the cakes. 

The only "filter" you need is the dry verm top layer. Foil is good for keeping excess moisture out of the cakes during PC-ing, after inoculation remove it.  Tape really isn't needed for cakes.  Good luck on saving them!


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22485103 - 11/06/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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LocN9ne said:
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"Ive never seen a PF tek that calls for micropore tape"

I don't know, how about the original one? :lol:



Shoot me a link... I bought lets grow mushrooms and I don't remember mp tape... Like how would you inoculate the jars?




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how long should I PC my PF tek jars(half pint) for?





I would chuck those jars, I'd be quite surprised if you were to get anything useful out of them.  Could keep them around if you are either out of spore solution or have more jars to try.  Otherwise chuck them before their contents gets messier.

If you are out of spore solution, you could make some BRF agar substitute plates and try to transfer some mycellium to them from your jars in a still air box.  Better yet, buy any pressure cooker of craigslist cheap and grab some real agar at the asian market.

As for the micropore tape, I never did PF tek with a verm barrier so I can't comment.  I think silicon injection ports and tyvek for GE are the way to go.




Yes, I asked that question.  I just got a PC and the tek is for steam-sterilizing, not PCing. Unlike most people on this site, I like to have all the information I need before proceeding, and judging by the looks of my grows im consistently putting out, its paid off.

You might have used SFD's, but the point of PF tek is simplicity, not siliconing SFD's on lids.  That's the point of the dry verm barrier and the MP tape.

The first jars you posted look bad, the others don't really look that bad, like I said any doubt, toss em before you spread the contaminates.


BTW Machia, I couldn't find your user gallery or any pics of your grows, would you mind posting some?

If you've even done any


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22486780 - 11/06/15 03:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I post photos when I have something to say or something to ask.  They're there.  You can find them quite easily using the search function.

And unless using elmer's glue is challenging, I don't see how using SHIPs and a piece of postal tyvek is hard.  I expect most people who try PF tek to be a 1st grade level.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
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No, this does not look right...


Edited by Machiavelliavore (11/06/15 03:39 PM)


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22486868 - 11/06/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hell, I skipped PF Tek altogether went straight to SHIP's and SFD's and thought it was pretty fucking easy. It's called reading and following instructions, verifying information thru questions in the forum. I don't think pf Tek is necessarily the first choice of new cultivators solely for simplicity, but rather for the level of financial and emotional involvement grain and bulk grows require. If someone has the time and money to commit to a proper monotub set-up, I can't see how they could justify choosing cakes instead.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22486888 - 11/06/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I just can't wrap my brain around the idea of injecting through tape, then believing that it is actually serving a purpose...


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Kalistis]
    #22486902 - 11/06/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Doesn't even have to be a monotub, you can do great things with a $1 foil pan + plastic lid.

First and third flushes:



Honestly PF tek is for people without pressure cookers, slurry, or Spongiform to show his domination over mortal men with his mastery of fungi.


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: Machiavelliavore]
    #22486944 - 11/06/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I post photos when I have something to say or something to ask.  They're there.  You can find them quite easily using the search function.






Yup.


The purpose, as I already stated, is to keep contams out until you inject the spores, allowing the spores to get the first "whack" at it.

I agree, PF tek is recommended because of the relatively low cost and the simplicity, and gives the person a feel for growing.

That's all fine and dandy that you skipped the PF tek, to each their own.  Obviously this guy didn't, and he asked for help on this situation.  You don't even need ships, opening up the lid of the jar and injecting is actually better because it gets you used to doing it for inoculating with agar.  And as far as SFD's go, yes, they are great, if your not doing the PF tek, like this guy is.

Kali, you may be right for the majority, but I still run cakes.  Sure, if you can make the step up it makes sense, but its still nice doing them because its something different that requires constant attention instead of just leaving something in a room for a couple weeks.

OP probably chose cakes because he felt it was something easy, and something he could handle to get his feet wet without investing 100+ on petris, agar, grain, SFD or tyvek, quart jars, and god knows what else.  But, he is one step ahead of the curve by possessing a PC already.

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@Mach, good for you man, you can grow a tray.  I didn't come here to argue with you, Im here trying to help someone.  If you have a difference of opinion that's great, were all entitled to one. We all grow for different reasons. Stop derailing the thread.


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22487038 - 11/06/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You can use a vermiculite barrier that can fail or you can use ships which will be good for a least a few uses before you pop them off and take a few minutes to lay down some fresh silicon.

You want people to get a still air box for PF tek and open the jars?

I don't see the point of micropore unless you're going to skip the verm barrier, inject through micropore it then patch it afterwards with a second piece of micropore.  It's supposed to allow GE, right?


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I spawned some popcorn casings and had double-overlay cause I didn't put enough hydrogen peroxide in my automated aquarium mister.  I only got one mushroom so I cut off the head part where the seeds fall from and put it in a jar of LC and sprayed it all over a tin of PF cakes I made with gravel, cardboard, and bisquick in my microwave.  I think it will be good cause B+ is so potent.
Triggered yet?

Only a square would say "a cube is a cube."


No, this does not look right...


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Re: Growth in waterlogged jars. Toss or keep? [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #22491095 - 11/07/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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firstTIMER420 said:
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Machiavelliavore said:
I post photos when I have something to say or something to ask.  They're there.  You can find them quite easily using the search function.






Yup.


The purpose, as I already stated, is to keep contams out until you inject the spores, allowing the spores to get the first "whack" at it.

I agree, PF tek is recommended because of the relatively low cost and the simplicity, and gives the person a feel for growing.

That's all fine and dandy that you skipped the PF tek, to each their own.  Obviously this guy didn't, and he asked for help on this situation.  You don't even need ships, opening up the lid of the jar and injecting is actually better because it gets you used to doing it for inoculating with agar.  And as far as SFD's go, yes, they are great, if your not doing the PF tek, like this guy is.

Kali, you may be right for the majority, but I still run cakes.  Sure, if you can make the step up it makes sense, but its still nice doing them because its something different that requires constant attention instead of just leaving something in a room for a couple weeks.

OP probably chose cakes because he felt it was something easy, and something he could handle to get his feet wet without investing 100+ on petris, agar, grain, SFD or tyvek, quart jars, and god knows what else.  But, he is one step ahead of the curve by possessing a PC already.

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@Mach, good for you man, you can grow a tray.  I didn't come here to argue with you, Im here trying to help someone.  If you have a difference of opinion that's great, were all entitled to one. We all grow for different reasons. Stop derailing the thread.




The SHIPs would be of value to someone that didn't want to use a SAB. I have transitioned from the SHIP lids over to lids with just SFDs. While my tubs are colonizing and fruiting, I'm at work making money to pay my bills and more hobby supplies, not worrying about when my cakes will get misted or fanned next. I also am using my time not misting and fanning prepping more jars of grain, trying different Teks, agar work, and researching new species. If misting and fanning makes you feel more connected to your grow... Great. But I'm working on stepping up my game.


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