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Escalating use of force between Russia and America
    #22483108 - 11/05/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The Secretary of Defense states yesterday that it has authorized the deployment of ground troops in the middle east. Russia has already openly stated it will engage in a ground war within Syria. If the two states deploy their respective armies in the region its hard to imagine any other outcome other then war. This is just one if many of a series of bellicose escalations between the two powers. NATO continues to harden its forces in the area and erode the baltic buffer zone and troops and heavy weapons continue to be massed and positioned on both sides. Challenges against their respective allies and the polarization of the neighboring nations are indistinguishable from the events leading up to wold war 1 and 2. China has already openly stated it is not adverse to war with the US, this allience makes both Russia and China a very potent force to be dealt with in the event of a coventional war. Something that would leave all parties involved in ruins, if not annihilated.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22483139 - 11/05/15 09:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The ground war in Syria, on our part, is nothing more than Obumble acting tough, Russia is there and willing to engage Isis, if Obama were smart he'd let them have that it. But he's not so he's going to sacrifice American soldiers in a feeble attempt to look tough. There is absolutely no reason for us to go in. He didn't care until Russia got involved, like I said, he's playing the "tough guy" card, in typical liberal fashion.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22483205 - 11/05/15 09:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Obumble?...I think youre seriously underestimating the powers at play here.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22483237 - 11/05/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Obumble?...I think youre seriously underestimating the powers at play here.




How so? Explain to me how it is that Obama was content using drones and shit until Russia got involved, supposedly we have the same goal, fighting Isis, but we don't, Obama actually wants Isis to win and establish a caliphate in Syria, that's why he's all pissy about the Russians being there


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #22483281 - 11/05/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Just read this.  Talks about three congressional hearings held Tuesday.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/05/pers-n05.html?view=article_mobile


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22483368 - 11/05/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Obumble?...I think youre seriously underestimating the powers at play here.




How so? Explain to me how it is that Obama was content using drones and shit until Russia got involved, supposedly we have the same goal, fighting Isis, but we don't, Obama actually wants Isis to win and establish a caliphate in Syria, that's why he's all pissy about the Russians being there




Have you the faintest idea of hegemony and alliance?  Russias deployment into the Syrian theater is the biggest fuck you they could've gave without directly attacking them, and surprise surprise it's over oil. Prior to their engagement they were funneling weapons into the region and waging a proxy war with the states. Now it's a hairs breadth away from an actual declaration of war. Due to the decades old alliance involved this would trigger the involvement of every member of NATO there is. This isn't an act, and the tensions and readiness make the height of the cold war pale in comparison. The political elite that operate their respective military's are pushing it to the point of inevitability. This would be a war that involves a draft and you wouldn't be safe from the cost of it like you were with Iraq and Afghanistan. This is as real as it gets.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22484670 - 11/06/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ukraine was also over oil.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22484708 - 11/06/15 07:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

How does oil factor into the Syrian conflict? Also, quit being so alarmist. This is Putin's pushback against recent NATO flexing that will likely result in a lot of wasted money, but I doubt full on war. The USA and Russia are in a state of MAD, ground wars between the two is a thing of the past.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Webster10]
    #22484752 - 11/06/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I, for one, am extremely glad this is happening. My life has been completely in chaos because of the situation in Syria.


Oh, wait a minute. No it hasn't. The price for chocolate milk here went up, though - not sure if that's related.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Webster10]
    #22484761 - 11/06/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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How does oil factor into the Syrian conflict? Also, quit being so alarmist. This is Putin's pushback against recent NATO flexing that will likely result in a lot of wasted money, but I doubt full on war. The USA and Russia are in a state of MAD, ground wars between the two is a thing of the past.




They're both running air campaigns within the same airspace while failing to communicate with each other. Blue on blue incidents happen, accidental bombing of one another is a very real possibility with serious reprocussions. Putin has made it know that he will be deploying ground troops to the area and the US secretary of Defense has followed suite.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22484840 - 11/06/15 08:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well... does Syria actually exist?

I can't even find it on a map. It's got to be in the south, right, like near Florida? I mean, with all that bitching between sides that I've heard about, it's gotta be.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22484868 - 11/06/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
How does oil factor into the Syrian conflict? Also, quit being so alarmist. This is Putin's pushback against recent NATO flexing that will likely result in a lot of wasted money, but I doubt full on war. The USA and Russia are in a state of MAD, ground wars between the two is a thing of the past.




They're both running air campaigns within the same airspace while failing to communicate with each other. Blue on blue incidents happen, accidental bombing of one another is a very real possibility with serious reprocussions. Putin has made it know that he will be deploying ground troops to the area and the US secretary of Defense has followed suite.



Russia is actually sending bulk, the US is sending a measly 50 advisors and trainers. Big difference. I just don't see this escalating into a Russian v. US ground war.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Webster10]
    #22485007 - 11/06/15 09:06 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Could you explain why this situation wouldn't escalate any further? Deploying military advisors is an echo of the actions taken leading up to US involvement in Veitnam. Not to mention Ash Carter has already openly stated they will be taking a combat role, as in doing raids and engaging the enemy in both Iraq and Syria. “Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Tuesday that the U.S. will begin “direct action on the ground” against ISIS forces in Iraq and Syria, aiming to intensify pressure on the militants as progress against them remains elusive". Tell me how this is going to go over, having Russias and the States ground forces operating in the same region with goals exactly opposite of each other?

http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/secretary-of-defense-admits-u-s-will-commit-ground-troops-against-isis/


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22485256 - 11/06/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

And as for how oil factors into the Syrian conflict, Russia has had a deal for offshore drilling with the Assad regime for a couple years already. They also have plans and have had plans for quite a while to build a natural gas pipeline through Syria, something in direct opposition to Saudi Arabia planned pipeline in the area. The Assad regime is directly opposed to Saudi involvement in its lands and very open to Russia. SA has the states as a very vocal ally and the two have been funneling weapons and fueling this civil war for quite a while in an effort to dispose Assad so their plan can go through and they can reap the economic and political benefits. This was never about terrorism or human rights. Dont make me laugh.

https://www.rt.com/business/syria-oil-gas-russia-795/


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar-Turkey_pipeline


http://ftmdaily.com/what-jerry-thinks/whysyria/


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22487736 - 11/06/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

so... we are there because we doing the bidding of saudi arabia? I guess that makes sense as Obumble has done everything he can to shut the oilfields of america down...


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22487763 - 11/06/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Obumble?...I think youre seriously underestimating the powers at play here.





You are Canadian?


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #22488569 - 11/06/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Putin's interests are varied, but he is primarily protecting his critical nuclear port in Tartus, not to mention presumed air base in Palmyra, as well as  scattered signal intelligence posts.  Obummer blew our best opportunity long ago in time, because he is utterly inept, and Putin wisely capitalized upon that fact, once again...


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Shroom Detective] * 2
    #22489035 - 11/07/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

America fighting hand in hand with ISIS, complains when Russia bombs ISIS. America is just mad it has thoroughly discredited itself and needs to project itself in the form of villify Russia.


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: Shins]
    #22510628 - 11/11/15 06:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



Oh, to have a president who wasn't an incompetent fucktard...


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Re: Escalating use of force between Russia and America [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22510841 - 11/11/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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...Oh, to have a president who wasn't an incompetent fucktard...




Most Russians say the same, just not publicly...


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