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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: qman]
    #22548425 - 11/19/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you have any statistics showing the percentage of Muslims that don't assimilate, or did you make that up?




Is this a joke? 

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/britain-24-of-muslims-have-no-qualifications-and-21-3-have-never-held-a-job/

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/muslim-assimilation-statistics/

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/denmark-muslims-are-around-450-more-criminal-than-non-muslims/

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/80-of-turkish-muslim-settlers-in-germany-live-off-welfare/

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/43-of-french-people-believe-the-religion-is-a-threat-with-no-benefit-to-the-country/

They don't want to learn Western education, they won't give up their fanatical religion, they're leeches on the social services, they're massive criminals relative to the native population, and so many don't work.

Hell, even the major leaders of the EU said it's been a failure.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/February/Frances-Sarkozy-Multiculturalism-Has-Failed/



Is your reply a joke?  I asked for assimilation numbers.

Your first link only talks about unemployment.  It shows that 21% of Muslims never worked.  Given Muslim women aren't allowed to have jobs in certain middle eastern countries, it actually sounds like they're assimilating quite well, and maybe some Muslim men are too proud to ask their wives to work.  When I was a kid, most women in America didn't work.

The second link is a bunch of stats that I really don't know how I'm supposed to interpret.

The third link says 8% of Muslims have been convicted of a crime, which implies that 92% have assimilated.  92% is a FAR cry from "not assimilating".

Why don't you actually answer the question at hand instead of providing links hoping I don't read them?

Do you have any statistics showing the percentage of Muslims that don't assimilate?


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22548453 - 11/19/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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qman said:
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Do you have any statistics showing the percentage of Muslims that don't assimilate, or did you make that up?




Is this a joke? 

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/britain-24-of-muslims-have-no-qualifications-and-21-3-have-never-held-a-job/

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/03/muslim-assimilation-statistics/

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/denmark-muslims-are-around-450-more-criminal-than-non-muslims/

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/80-of-turkish-muslim-settlers-in-germany-live-off-welfare/

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/43-of-french-people-believe-the-religion-is-a-threat-with-no-benefit-to-the-country/

They don't want to learn Western education, they won't give up their fanatical religion, they're leeches on the social services, they're massive criminals relative to the native population, and so many don't work.

Hell, even the major leaders of the EU said it's been a failure.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/February/Frances-Sarkozy-Multiculturalism-Has-Failed/



Is your reply a joke?  I asked for assimilation numbers.

Your first link only talks about unemployment.  It shows that 21% of Muslims never worked.  Given Muslim women aren't allowed to have jobs in certain middle eastern countries, it actually sounds like they're assimilating quite well, and maybe some Muslim men are too proud to ask their wives to work.  When I was a kid, most women in America didn't work.

The second link is a bunch of stats that I really don't know how I'm supposed to interpret.

The third link says 8% of Muslims have been convicted of a crime, which implies that 92% have assimilated.  92% is a FAR cry from "not assimilating".

Why don't you actually answer the question at hand instead of providing links hoping I don't read them?

Do you have any statistics showing the percentage of Muslims that don't assimilate?




Define non-assimilation?


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22548463 - 11/19/15 07:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm sure if they could get into the Muslim neighborhoods, where even the police are scared to go, they might have some numbers, but until then, I guess we should assume all is well...



That was clearly made up.  :whatever:



You're doing the same thing as qman - providing irrelevent links.

Why don't you quote the sentence from one of your links that supports your statement that police are too scared to go into Muslim neighborhoods?  You can read this while you're at it.


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: qman]
    #22548467 - 11/19/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Define non-assimilation?



You're the one who claimed Muslims don't assimilate - why don't you tell us what you meant?


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22548556 - 11/19/15 07:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Define non-assimilation?



You're the one who claimed Muslims don't assimilate - why don't you tell us what you meant?




Education, religion, employment, dependency on the welfare state, elevated levels of criminality, language, separate housing and retail centers, ect. Even all the satellites for their TV's as they also reject European television.

I guess the most important aspect is to actually see it, I saw it many times in Europe. It's clearly the rejection of Western culture and society, it's as clear as day.

I'll say one thing about Hispanics and Blacks in the US, while they under-perform in most aspects of US society, they do NOT reject US culture, they embrace it.


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: qman]
    #22548612 - 11/19/15 07:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

And what percentage of Muslims don't assimilate by your own definition?  I've been to Europe many times myself because of my job in high tech, and I meet lots of very well paid Muslims in my industry - many of whom grew up in extremist countries.  Frankly, I'm surprised by the assimilation I see there.


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: qman]
    #22549465 - 11/19/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll say one thing about Hispanics and Blacks in the US, while they under-perform in most aspects of US society, they do NOT reject US culture, they embrace it.




I haven't been to Europe, but I've read about this issue over there. I haven't seen it with my own eyes, and I've read contradicting articles on the subject. However, I suspect that this is the case, because in my mind it makes more sense. I don't think that Muslims generally do assimilate. Not like afro-Americans or hispanics in America. Even here in America we have hispanic pockets, but they are generally friendly to American people in those areas.

I think poverty causes an increase in issues related to cultural diversity in America. Even in prison you see much stronger racial and cultural tension. People divide along these lines when they feel the need to protect themselves or their way of life from others.

As I said, I don't think cultural diversity is the problem, I think Islam is.


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #22549796 - 11/20/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think that Muslims generally do assimilate. Not like afro-Americans or hispanics in America. Even here in America we have hispanic pockets, but they are generally friendly to American people in those areas.



But lots of Muslims DO assimilate.  I've seen it.  The head of a very large research lab I visited in Belgium grew up in Iran, and the only reason I know it is because he misinterpreted a question I asked him, thinking I asked what country he was previously from, when I actually asked what company he was previously from.  You don't realize it when they dress in fancy business suits, are clean shaven, and blend into the population.  A small handful keep their old dress and traditions, and are more noticeable, so people assume the ones they notice represent everyone.

That's why I'm asking if qman has any statistics on how  many Muslims assimilate.  I think it's a LOT more than he realizes.


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22551025 - 11/20/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think that Muslims generally do assimilate. Not like afro-Americans or hispanics in America. Even here in America we have hispanic pockets, but they are generally friendly to American people in those areas.



But lots of Muslims DO assimilate.  I've seen it.  The head of a very large research lab I visited in Belgium grew up in Iran, and the only reason I know it is because he misinterpreted a question I asked him, thinking I asked what country he was previously from, when I actually asked what company he was previously from.  You don't realize it when they dress in fancy business suits, are clean shaven, and blend into the population.  A small handful keep their old dress and traditions, and are more noticeable, so people assume the ones they notice represent everyone.

That's why I'm asking if qman has any statistics on how  many Muslims assimilate.  I think it's a LOT more than he realizes.




The fact that France needed a law to ban
face covering in public is also very telling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering

One would think an outsider would be thankful for their presence in another peoples land and try to comply with their customs.


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: qman]
    #22551086 - 11/20/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure what you mean by "France needed a law", but I'm not opposed to it.


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #22551107 - 11/20/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't think that Muslims generally do assimilate. Not like afro-Americans or hispanics in America. Even here in America we have hispanic pockets, but they are generally friendly to American people in those areas.



But lots of Muslims DO assimilate.  I've seen it.  The head of a very large research lab I visited in Belgium grew up in Iran, and the only reason I know it is because he misinterpreted a question I asked him, thinking I asked what country he was previously from, when I actually asked what company he was previously from.  You don't realize it when they dress in fancy business suits, are clean shaven, and blend into the population.  A small handful keep their old dress and traditions, and are more noticeable, so people assume the ones they notice represent everyone.

That's why I'm asking if qman has any statistics on how  many Muslims assimilate.  I think it's a LOT more than he realizes.




My brother's dad is a Muslim from Kuwait, who came to America to study architecture. He had a very difficult time assimilating, and it ended up being quite abusive to my mom, because of his Islamic attitude toward women. He moved back to Kuwait, and never finished college in America. All of his Muslim friends became heavy drug addicts, and ended up failing out of college and moving home. That's my little anecdote, for what it's worth.

I think you make a good point that when they do assimilate, people don't notice that they are Muslim immigrants. People only take notice of the ones who do not assimilate, and they become representative of the whole. However, this is true of any culture/religious subset, and Muslims are disproportionately understood to assimilate poorly into Western life over other migrant cultures.


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    #22551112 - 11/20/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not sure what you mean by "France needed a law", but I'm not opposed to it.




Were French natives demanding to get their photo ID's wearing face covering? No.  You do remember all the controversy regarding this issue?


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    #22551327 - 11/20/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I remember, and like I said I'm not even against the French law.  I'm just not sure why you said they "needed" the law.  :shrug:


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    #22551574 - 11/20/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I remember, and like I said I'm not even against the French law.  I'm just not sure why you said they "needed" the law.  :shrug:




Because it's caused a lot problems and was a major hurdle towards the path of reasonable assimilation.


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: qman]
    #22555236 - 11/21/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I always wonder why if Muslims hate western culture so much, why do they move there?:shrug:


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22555608 - 11/21/15 01:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I always wonder why if Muslims hate western culture so much, why do they move there?:shrug:




So they can bomb us. And make more money. Hey don't have long range missile capabilities, and they don't get to fuck a den of virgin whores if they don't die in the process...

Getting to heaven is tricky business. First you must blow as many people as possible to hell, including yourself.

Go read a fucking quran, and stop bothering us with your inane questions.


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    #22562151 - 11/23/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Ben is falling, has dropped to 19% to the donald's 33 in Iowa and and almost the same in NH.

It's been nice meeting you Ben.


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Ben is falling, has dropped to 19% to the donald's 33 in Iowa and and almost the same in NH.

It's been nice meeting you Ben.




Anyone who is dismissing candidates a year out from the election is naive

At this point, the polls really don't mean much, if that was the case, goodbye dems, trumps a hands down winner


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Re: Shit Ben Carson says [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22563308 - 11/23/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Ben is falling, has dropped to 19% to the donald's 33 in Iowa and and almost the same in NH.

It's been nice meeting you Ben.




Anyone who is dismissing candidates a year out from the election is naive

At this point, the polls really don't mean much, if that was the case, goodbye dems, trumps a hands down winner




It's not a year out dude! lmao

We're talking about the Primaries, not the General Election...


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    #22563976 - 11/23/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Ben is falling, has dropped to 19% to the donald's 33 in Iowa and and almost the same in NH.

It's been nice meeting you Ben.




Anyone who is dismissing candidates a year out from the election is naive

At this point, the polls really don't mean much, if that was the case, goodbye dems, trumps a hands down winner




It's not a year out dude! lmao

We're talking about the Primaries, not the General Election...




He never said shit about the primaries! LMAO!

Seriously, how many people come from behind at the last minute? It never happens right? If not, then why even have elections? We could just place whoever is ahead in the polls at a certain time in office, it would save a lot of time and money...


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