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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: thought and emotion [Re: PocketLady]
    #22485330 - 11/06/15 10:20 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Interesting insights, PocketLady.  Perhaps one of the values of meditation is dampening this cycle (of chains of thought-emotions), which may be more or less a mechanism.  Of course, the meditative state is not the normal state for most people, so perhaps this bird's-eye perspective is an exception to the overall phenomenon.  Once again, I feel it is a general truth that thought and emotion are more closely linked than is generally appreciated, but that there can of course be exceptions to this.  I think this insight on the meditative process from Jsb and PocketLady is very constructive. :thumbup:


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22486104 - 11/06/15 01:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Why would you dissociate from your emotions. That's a good recipe for a good serial killer or rapist ... I'm sure they are pretty good at the "meditative process" of disconnecting their thoughts and emotions


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: eehoo]
    #22486491 - 11/06/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Have you guys considered negative emotions arise possibly because the structure of our biological wirings doesn't appeal to society, and your soul is rejecting it? Nature is again naturally leading us back to balance it doesn't want us living this way. Same way a lion isn't meant to live in a zoo even if you make it Disneyland ... They need the accomplishment of a hunt and to feel cold or hungry and to achieve. What we create is just mindless obedience while searching for forms of entertainment or "zen". It's all very selfish and short sighted, and lacks any sense of true duty or meaning


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: eehoo]
    #22489381 - 11/07/15 07:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I agree.

The emotion of frustration arises when we dont get what our soul/mind wants to have.

Frustration can lead to worst things like rage, anger and contempt.

I believe thoughts can be mostly neutral but with a small overlay of emotion. Of course thought can have a large overlay of emotion too, like a shouting match between an angry couple or a depressed person trying to explain how sad their life is.

My experience of emotion has been pretty weird sometimes. A lot of the time, i can "feel" the seperation of thoughts from emotions, as if i am experienceing them in parallel, simutanously.

Its pretty weird.


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #22498914 - 11/09/15 02:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

cognitive psychology is based on this notion
this guy is into it big time
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=noah+elkrief

if you watch the breathing of actors in a movie one can also see how emotions are related to certain breathing patterns.

I wonder how dissociatives, and even antihistamines cause effects on emotions.

So there seems to be effects from thought, chemistry, and breathing, and who knows what else genetics, lobotomies ...


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: laughingdog]
    #22502091 - 11/09/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think negative emotions are linked to thoughts. I've never been depressed, anxious, jealous, angry, or afraid without accompanying thoughts. 

Meditation is a practice for learning how our mind works, and how we disturb ourselves. Life doesn't make us miserable. We do that to ourselves.

Believing our thoughts, especially our non-stop judgments (about ourselves and others), cause us suffering.


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22502134 - 11/09/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I think negative emotions are linked to thoughts. I've never been depressed, anxious, jealous, angry, or afraid without accompanying thoughts. 





Exactly.  And the thoughts themselves can feed back to those emotions, reinforcing them and often causing despair and despondency.  Everything is interrelated in our minds.


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22502333 - 11/09/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

In case it hasn't been mentioned, "The Tyranny of the Shoulds" greatly contributes to our emotional disturbances.

Thinking that contains "should" statements creates suffering.

My parents should have loved me more and treated me better.
I shouldn't be so lazy.
My life should be different.
My spouse should not have betrayed me.
My coworker should treat me fairly. 
Life should not be difficult.

I made a mistake earlier today (I missed a meeting I wanted to attend), and I'm still irritated that I got distracted and lost track of time.
The line that keeps running thru my head is, "I should not have been so stupid." It's a challenge to not go down that road!


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22505988 - 11/10/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Negative emotions are linked to perceptions.


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: sudly]
    #22506249 - 11/10/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Negative emotions are linked to perceptions.






I don't understand. Can you explain your perspective?

The five perceptions we experience are sight, hearing, touch, smell, and taste.


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22506374 - 11/10/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Internal perception of the cognitive nervous system. The perceptions are either external (objective) or internal (subjective). How perception is regulated creates the outcome of an emotion.


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Re: thought and emotion [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #22507027 - 11/10/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Thought and emotion are very, very deeply connected.  It is virtually impossible for someone to have an emotion, and not have a corresponding mental state, and it is also virtually impossible to have a thought that does not generate some sort of emotion.  When one is talking about one, one is necessarily talking about the other as well.

Some may object, believing they are separate, but if you observe closely, you'll find that the two neurological processes are deeply interrelated, and inseparable.  If anyone has any insights to share, I would love to hear them.




Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy (REBT), created by Dr. Albert Ellis in 1955 is based on this concept, that our thinking and the perspective we take forms our emotions. I've used REBT for depression, anxiety, and anger, very successfully. I find Cognitive Therapy to be incredibly powerful. Cognitive Therapy is still used a lot today, but does not get a lot of "press". I used it to quit meth. I was not very difficult. 

I'm sure many know this, but thought I'd mention it for others


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