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zappaisgod
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Re: Do you think we have free will? [Re: blackdust]
#22481976 - 11/05/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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No it wasn't.
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Achillita
Back to the basics



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Re: Do you think we have free will? [Re: blackdust]
#22481981 - 11/05/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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YOur reasoning is pretty stupid tbh. If I drop you in a box with a gun, you have the free will to shoot yourself in the head or to wait an uncertain amount of time until someone let's you out.
Free will doesn't require you to control everything, just control your own actions.
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blackdust


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Re: Do you think we have free will? [Re: Achillita]
#22482002 - 11/05/15 05:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou
*alternate opinion blocks path*


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Re: Do you think we have free will? [Re: blackdust]
#22482011 - 11/05/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shit posts with no substance
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blackdust


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Alan Watts put it: ‘Will and fate are two aspects of the same thing. Life lives you, you do not live life. Everything that happens is “of itself so”.’
What you do is what the whole universe is doing now. In the same way, a single wave is something the whole ocean is doing — you cannot point to a discrete end or beginning of a wave. You are experiencing different aspects of one thing happening, not separate events linked by cause and effect. Imagine a dance between two people that looks so seamless you can’t tell who’s leading and who’s following. Is it the ‘you’ who is called ‘Tim Lott’ or ‘Joe Doakes’ or whatever, or is it the sum total of everything that’s going on? Ultimately, what’s the difference?
But where does this leave you? ‘Free’ to do whatever you want to do? Possibly. Or perhaps its means you’re absolutely unfree. It depends which way you look at it. The view that there is no ‘you’ for things to happen to is a hard, even painful one to accept. There is only a continuum: you, everything. There is no such thing as progression in time, with one cause pushing a certain effect. This is also an illusion.
For some this could be a terrifying prospect. But for me this is a good arrangement. It involves a universe full of surprises rather than a dead machine, as the determinists would have it. And neither is it a factory of regret, guilt and anxiety, which tend to be suffered by those who believe in free will too much. It leaves existence as a profound mystery and, without mystery, life would be intolerably boring.
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Vsnares.Zappa
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Re: Do you think we have free will? [Re: blackdust] 1
#22482783 - 11/05/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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everything we do most of the time is unconscious.
freedom doesn't exist, free will neither. you are trapped in your own self , who has been imprinted since a young age, to think, feel and act in a certain way according to the place you were born, can't argue with that my friend. lucky he who can escape (sometimes) his set of ingrained belief systems. thats why we take shrooms in the first place lol.
Edited by Vsnares.Zappa (11/05/15 07:58 PM)
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Alexestalex
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Has anybody here read the book "What is Man" by Mark Twain?
This book is a FUCKING gem. I strongly recommend you all read it. Most people haven't even heard of it which is sad considering it's one of Twain's best works. You can find the pdf quite easily on google and it's a short read.
I do NOT believe in any sort of free will and that book illustrates precisely why, down to the smallest detail.
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suttree
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Conditioning. Free will will never be taken away unless you choose to give it away down dark roads spiritually. Even then, free will till a point. Many are willing to take it or maybe as well it is mainly a source. A magnet.
I choose free will and freedom. It is ironic how you can choose free will in mortality and be in bondage but free in eternity. Authority in life and the esoteric/spirit world. So far I do not trust the latter. And I think I am fucked anyway to what really matters.
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Tritonal
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Re: Do you think we have free will? [Re: suttree] 1
#22483415 - 11/05/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think we are all slaves to our environments...
Free will is an illusion
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sprinkles
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oh ok treant
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SirShroomsAlott
Howdy



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Re: Do you think we have free will? [Re: sprinkles]
#22484547 - 11/06/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott
Howdy



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Re: Do you think we have free will? [Re: Alexestalex]
#22485587 - 11/06/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alexestalex said: Has anybody here read the book "What is Man" by Mark Twain?
This book is a FUCKING gem. I strongly recommend you all read it. Most people haven't even heard of it which is sad considering it's one of Twain's best works. You can find the pdf quite easily on google and it's a short read.
I do NOT believe in any sort of free will and that book illustrates precisely why, down to the smallest detail.
Sorry to bump my thread again but I'm actually trying to buy this book now (thanks for the recommendation ) and all the ones I'm seeing are ones like "Mark Twain on Religion: What is Man, The War Prayer, Thou Shalt Not Kill, The Fly, Letters from the Earth" Is it a combo type of book filled with other writings by Mark Twain?
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CookieCrumbs
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To some degree yes.
But there is also millions upon millions upon millions of things that influence our options and decisions. In our world there is both fate and free will.
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nicechrisman
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Yes and no. Free will is a relative concept.
I doubt we are gonna solve this here today.
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