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m1ch43l8
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Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite?
#22479257 - 11/05/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
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I'm from Australia and we don't have walmart so supplies are difficult. I've been researching a week straight and trying to get materials together for a mini mono tub grow as starting pf/brf teks seems like a lot of work for minimal returns.
Anyway for substrate seems like coco coir, course vermiculite and gardening/builders lime seems like what most like. Casings of peat and corse verm are also what everyone likes.
Coir and peat was pretty easy to track down but verm is a night mare only course verm i found comes in 100L and space is alread an issue with all these 5kg bags or peat, grain, even lime (seriously what am i gonna do with 5kg lime). I did find vermiculite in 5kg but it doesn't specify grade i tried researching it and couldn't find much but one guy in a forum said it was fine.
So my questions are:
1. Would you use fine grade verm or no verm or substitute it for something else for the sub?
2. 1. Would you use fine grade verm or no verm or substitute it for something else for the casing?
3. Would you water and differently to get field capacity?
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LocN9ne
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: m1ch43l8]
#22479262 - 11/05/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fine Vern is fine...you get it to field capacity the same way as usual
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Inocuole
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: LocN9ne]
#22479342 - 11/05/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: Fine Vern is fine...you get it to field capacity the same way as usual
And regular verm is regular. But more importantly, fine verm is also acceptable.
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Diamonds808
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: Inocuole]
#22479370 - 11/05/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can only find "fine" as well and it works fine.  You just gotta be careful when you fill the jars and leave little some air pockets for the mushies. With the medium grade, it's more coarse so it automatically creates those air pockets. The fine is more like powder, so easily can compact down. I usually just use one spoon and scoop it all in, with one motion (this usually creates nice air pockets)
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m1ch43l8
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: Diamonds808]
#22480172 - 11/05/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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LocN9ne said: Fine Vern is fine...you get it to field capacity the same way as usual
And regular verm is regular. But more importantly, fine verm is also acceptable. 
Hey guys thank you for your replies I'll go ahead with that fine ass fine verm...
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m1ch43l8
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: m1ch43l8]
#22480201 - 11/05/15 08:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Diamonds808 said: I can only find "fine" as well and it works fine.  You just gotta be careful when you fill the jars and leave little some air pockets for the mushies. With the medium grade, it's more coarse so it automatically creates those air pockets. The fine is more like powder, so easily can compact down. I usually just use one spoon and scoop it all in, with one motion (this usually creates nice air pockets)
Are you referring to pf tek spawn jars? I'm going to be using wheat grain jars not pf/brf tek. Verm is only for sub and casing. But i'll keep that in mind if i ever decide to do a pf tek or grain spawn tek that uses verm. Thank you for your reply.
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: m1ch43l8]
#22481483 - 11/05/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use the fine grade and seems to work fine.... fine is fine...
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azur
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Fine is fine. I use fine in substrate abd course for casings
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Inocuole
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: azur]
#22481491 - 11/05/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I need some coarse for casing, that sounds good.
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azur
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: Inocuole]
#22481515 - 11/05/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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 i got that info from the mushroom cultivator ya know. Hint hint
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Inocuole
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: azur]
#22481520 - 11/05/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You know I can't read bro.
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azur
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: Inocuole]
#22481551 - 11/05/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why can't ray Charles read?
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Inocuole
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: azur]
#22481617 - 11/05/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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azur... not here..
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azur
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: Inocuole]
#22481635 - 11/05/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ha ha
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Arush
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: azur]
#22481842 - 11/05/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my experience fine seemed to do better than medium.
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: Arush]
#22481858 - 11/05/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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check my pf tek log. i used fine verm and am having no real problems. it wants to pack down tighter, just be aware of that.
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Re: Fine vermiculite or no vermiculite? [Re: m1ch43l8]
#22481965 - 11/05/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can also just spawn to straight coir (+gypsum if you got it.) 650g coir, 4qts boiling water is what I use.
Skip the peat casing for your first grows and just use coir. Breaking up clumps/removing sticks and pH balancing it is kinda a PITA that you might as well spare yourself the headache of wondering if you screwed up the pH or water content when you're starting out.
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mushpunx
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Yea Ive grown with just coir/gypsum many times, leaving out the verm.
The verm is just fir water retention anyways. Can you get straw? If you chop up some straw and pasturize it in a water bath and mix it with coir
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