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oontribe

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sclerotia experiment
#22479249 - 11/05/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have 4 months+ 10 jars of atl7. unfortunately cant find rye in my country so the spawn is millet.
i noticed that the big stones in the jars made a little gap between the myc and the jar. and there is water in this gap around the big stones only.
so i was thinking about injecting 10cc of sterile water and compare between em and see if it gonna make a difference.
should i shake the jar before injecting the water as i heard that it's not good to do so with old scloretia jars?
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Achillita
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: oontribe]
#22479367 - 11/05/15 03:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why would you shake a colonized screlotia jar? And what are you trying to acheive by adding more water?
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oontribe

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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: Achillita]
#22479372 - 11/05/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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so the water wouldnt sit on the surface of the colonized spawn i want it to reach the stones specially the smaller ones. and the aim is to get a bigger stones!
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: oontribe]
#22479385 - 11/05/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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do you prefer the sclerotia or do you just like growing an interesting variety?
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oontribe

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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: The Dom]
#22479389 - 11/05/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually i'am not an expert, i have grown cubes so far, this is the first time to try another thing. and planing on cultivating another species too like mexicana pan and edibles.
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: oontribe]
#22479526 - 11/05/15 05:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i wouldn't shake it. i would try to squirt it in a circle though, so u get some drips all around. maybe even start with 5ml just in case it can't suck it all up quickly/pooling, then if/when u see that water has been absorbed, try a little more??
but post results cause i always wondered about this. some other dude was going to inject grain water, but he never followed up. stick with regular water though. grains have enough nutrients.
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oontribe

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LOL do you mean this one blindingleaf :P if yes i just changed my mind from grain water to water!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22339799/page/1
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: oontribe]
#22479531 - 11/05/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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 my bad
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oontribe

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Lol it happens.
So yesterday i injected 5cc of sterile water in two jars...one that has already formes a lot of stones and the other finished colonizing and formed just a tiny piece.
The water was standing at the surface but after a few hours the spawn absorbed em but not all of em there is still standing water inside
Here is the pictures: Jar 1:
  
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hummingbird

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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: oontribe]
#22489091 - 11/07/15 02:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool. I wondered about something like this too towards the end of my last stone grow, when things were looking super dry. It would be cool if this works...kind of like a dunk for stones.
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Buck513

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I would personally only advise someone to shake sclerotia producers if they're in bags. You can gently massage the mycelium and break it up as opposed to beating it to death inside a jar.
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: Buck513]
#22489218 - 11/07/15 04:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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cant wait to try these, do you have to do anything specifically to make them grow stones or just grow as normal and they always do it?
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: The Dom]
#22489235 - 11/07/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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IME adding water to the grains will promote stone growth.
I had a Tampanesis half pint tht I used to make a LI out of. Once finished I aspirated all of the water, and let the jar recolonize. To my surprise it started producing stones a week later.



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Buck513

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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: The Dom]
#22489236 - 11/07/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You don't do anything special. Just inoculate some grain with a clean inoculant, and wait
After several months you can harvest the stones, and use the spawn for a monotub or something. Yielding even more stones, as well as some actual fruits.
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: Buck513]
#22489237 - 11/07/15 04:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just keep them in the jar for at least three months.
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Buck513 said: I would personally only advise someone to shake sclerotia producers if they're in bags. You can gently massage the mycelium and break it up as opposed to beating it to death inside a jar.
I've shaken every stone jar I've had and I haven't noticed any problems unless you shake after it's been fully colonized(only really do it for spawn). But even then it's just slowed down by about a month for stone production in those jars.
Also, ATL7 and tampensis mycelium seems to break really easily when I shake them. Much easier than cubes.
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: Achillita]
#22489239 - 11/07/15 04:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's primarily what I was referring to - once it's colonized. I've seen quite a few people have jars stall out because of shaking, even before full colonization. It's not really common but does happen.
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: Buck513]
#22490670 - 11/07/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont shake mine. I did shake some jars of my first ATL7 grow and the myc didnt seem to like it. Now I like to roll the jars right after inoculation to loosen the grain up a bit.
I think a bit of water would help. I've noticed that in my drier jars a lower yield and that the stones are all in the bottom half of the jar rather than being spread throughout the sub.
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Buck513

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StickyIcky Fingers said: I dont shake mine. I did shake some jars of my first ATL7 grow and the myc didnt seem to like it. Now I like to roll the jars right after inoculation to loosen the grain up a bit.
I think a bit of water would help. I've noticed that in my drier jars a lower yield and that the stones are all in the bottom half of the jar rather than being spread throughout the sub.
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: Buck513]
#22492315 - 11/07/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had cut at plant down and trimmed without gloves prior to registering an account and didnt think of anything better...... got a plant I gotta cut down soon too
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oontribe

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Ok the 4 months jar absorbed all the water and the big sclerotia at the bottom js surrounded by water now (just like how i noticed that most of the big stones are surrounded by water).
The other jar absorbed most of the water.
I am thinking about injecting another 5 cc after a couple of days or something.
I think water do helps with truffles.
We will see anyways.
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: oontribe]
#22495185 - 11/08/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You may want more time between each watering I would thinks months between watering rather than days or weeks. It might just overwhelm the myc and make it mush. The more GE or FAE the more water needed and there is only so much GE through a hole in a jar lid.
If you go ahead and add more water to the jars please only do it to some so if it doesnt work you dont sink the whole project.
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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: oontribe]
#22495195 - 11/08/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think they have plenty of water. The Water around the stones are probably because the stones are so saturated with water, it's getting rid of some so the stones stay dense and can survive drought much better.
Usually, my stones lose about 10% of their weight in water within a few days of being in the fridge. It might just be because of it being in the fridge and not underground.
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oontribe

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Re: sclerotia experiment [Re: Achillita]
#22496124 - 11/08/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool maybe ill inject water every now and then.
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