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PrimalSoup
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#22494218 - 11/08/15 03:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said:
Yes, the material world is just the tip of the iceberg of all that is. I feel like taking too much psychedelics messes up the parts of yourself that extend into the areas which are currently unconscious.
It's not the same as meditation because meditation can help you become more relaxed, focused and clear minded while taking a lot of psychedelics makes you more scatter brained and anxious, I think. You can have psychedelic revelations that help you become more calm and relaxed and clear headed, but that is not the effect that the drugs themselves have on the nervous system. They actually speed up thought and send lots of energy through the nervous system. Doing this over and over does not lead the nervous into a more balanced, calm and peaceful state. As I said, you might get certain knowledge/revelations but I have learned that spiritual knowledge and revelations while of some value, are not what is to be aimed at on the spiritual path and actually come more as a result of aiming in the right direction rather than causing it.
This is why I have turned to kava and aminita muscaria instead. I find that these substances do not speed up my thinking but actually help me get out of the delusion and distortions caused by the mind and get more in touch with my beign, which is always there. Because it is always there, it is simply not necessary to embark on some crazy 5 gram mushroom adventure in order to find it and I feel like tripping a lot, though it may destroy your physical identity, leads you away from your true being because you true being is ever present and has nothing to do with distorted or expanded states of mind. The distorted and expands states produced by psychedelics and the spiritual phenomena are in themselves addictive and thus lead one away from true fullfullment. The very fact that you feel the need/desire to trip so many times is evidence of the addictive nature of the experience, I think.
You run exactly the same risks attempting to "get out of the delusions and distortions" no matter how you go about it. Ego traps abound.
People easily get addicted to meditative techniques and the whole spiritual "quest" - that leads to spiritual materialism where it becomes just another form of ego aggrandization. The same thing seems to happen with psychedelics where people brag about their vast experience but it's painfully obvious that they've never actually managed to let go. IME there isn't any best way or practice - single-pointed meditation has always seemed to work well, and I've done it a lot while tripping (in the latter stages anyway). It doesn't so much yield up any "knowledge" or "revelations" which are almost always misleading, rather it just leads to a greater cohesiveness of thought - the exact opposite of "scatter brained". 
IME there is no true being or self. That's just another egoic illusion. You abandon the "self" and you come to emptiness, and you embrace that, and then you find some sort of underlying structure beneath the emptiness, but it's solid and space pervading. From psychedelic use it seems to be that this is the hyperspatial realm. I can only say "seems to be" as there's no way to think in any ordinary fashion while experiencing it directly, and putting it into words that relate to the experience is pretty much impossible.
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Shining Cosmos
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22495528 - 11/08/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The line is:
"too much walking shoes worn thin, Too much trippin and my soles worn thin"
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P.Zappatecorum
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Shining Cosmos]
#22495626 - 11/08/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shining Cosmos said: The line is:
"too much walking shoes worn thin, Too much trippin and my soles worn thin"
All of the lyrics I can find for Big Empty spell it as soul. It's a witty double entendre.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22495654 - 11/08/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Excellent song. Thread has inspired me to listen to STP again...been a while. As someone else mentioned previously, Weiland was more about heroin than psychedelics. STP's music is very much colored by heroin & addiction. STP & Alice in Chains were my go to bands to listen to when I was strung out. Love their music, but it definitely brings back memories. The Big Empty, and Interstate Love Song in particular were songs I used put on right after I fixed. I need to catch STP in concert one of these days. Missed the boat on AIC.
In regards to tripping too often, it can definitely burn you out. It did to me. Even if you're using them for spiritual purposes, that doesn't change the interaction in your brain. I stopped for years, then came back to it. The magic returned. Now I do it sparingly, and with moderate doses. Works way better for me that way.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Dark_Star]
#22495819 - 11/08/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I went on a string of mushroom trips after not tripping for 14 years and the thing that blew me away was the impression that the trips had continued exerting their influence over the absence. In addition to influencing my interests such as art, language, and psychology, etc, my aesthetic sense as it relates to all forms of art, I feel like they induced me into being a sort of seer. Hope that's not too presumptuous lol. I think life among the manicured neighborhoods nestled between swaths of industrial degree can lend to the perception of life being humdrum and mundane which is basically the result of simply being unimaginative and a greater sense of meaning then gets neglected or overlooked. Psychedelics have a way of making one see as if from a new or novel perspective and people and things that are typically not very interesting become very interesting including the notion of simply existing and what that means to be. I read a trip report and the guy said something like, we tripped out a long time on the fact that we were humans. Yeah you can't go back from that. Your soul has been.. thickened, if you will.
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Shining Cosmos
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Dark_Star]
#22495984 - 11/08/15 02:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said:
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Shining Cosmos said: The line is:
"too much walking shoes worn thin, Too much trippin and my soles worn thin"
All of the lyrics I can find for Big Empty spell it as soul. It's a witty double entendre.
Indeed.
It could go either way.
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Dark_Star said: Excellent song. Thread has inspired me to listen to STP again...been a while. As someone else mentioned previously, Weiland was more about heroin than psychedelics. STP's music is very much colored by heroin & addiction. STP & Alice in Chains were my go to bands to listen to when I was strung out. Love their music, but it definitely brings back memories. The Big Empty, and Interstate Love Song in particular were songs I used put on right after I fixed. I need to catch STP in concert one of these days. Missed the boat on AIC.
In regards to tripping too often, it can definitely burn you out. It did to me. Even if you're using them for spiritual purposes, that doesn't change the interaction in your brain. I stopped for years, then came back to it. The magic returned. Now I do it sparingly, and with moderate doses. Works way better for me that way.
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Dark_Star
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Shining Cosmos]
#22612396 - 12/04/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck...... Sad bump for this thread. RIP Scott Weiland.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Dark_Star]
#22613046 - 12/04/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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RIP
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Shining Cosmos
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: guyute22]
#22613436 - 12/04/15 03:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Atlanta by stp
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Shining Cosmos]
#22613843 - 12/04/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would say im about double that in the past year, or atleast 30. I remember last winter, i tripped 5 times in a week on 3 oz of cubes I had, i had to double the dose each time, but boy was i having alot of fun. I quit for a month or so, then im back at it, atleast a once a week, if not more. Then i either run out, or like you said, the soil is drained from tripping.
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shr
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: shr]
#22615199 - 12/04/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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RIP indeed.
Thanks for the input, everyone. ya'll are the shit
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P.Zappatecorum
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: shr]
#22615459 - 12/04/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought of this thread when I saw that he'd died. Weird timing, hadn't really thought of STP in years, this thread pops up and then Weiland dies. Synchronicity.
OP, you killed Scott Weiland.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
#22615835 - 12/05/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Iv learned never take the mushroom for granted an use with respect.iv tripped 15 times but iv never had a bad tripp.im way over due for a tripp as is.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: shr]
#22616115 - 12/05/15 08:43 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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shr said: Experienced trippers, what do you think about this quote? I grew and tripped frequently over a 6 month period 5 years ago. Multiple doses at 7 g dried, numerous at 5 g. Many less than that. Probably racked up 15-20 trips in that 6 month period. I wouldn't advise this; I was quite young when this went on.
I haven't taken a serious dose for 3 years and I have been reflecting on the psychedelic experience lately. It had a massive impact on who I was. For better, or for worse, I cannot say.
For those who have taken a break for an extended period of time (ie, years) after heavy use, what do you think? Would you do it again? Will you continue to use psychedelics for personal exploration?
I haven't tripped in almost two years. I was binging on mushrooms before I stopped cultivating. I did a lot more then 20 trips. I'd say probably 75+ trips in a year. ate unknown doses/redoses Friday night until Sunday morning every weekend I could.
But yes heavy psychedelic use will change you. I think it changes everyone in a different ways. I feel like before I started using mushrooms and Pedro frequently I was a lot more funny to other people. Now sometimes my jokes come off as strange or even dark. I'm much more calm then I was ever but I'm not sure if that's a good thing. Most people my age are rowdy and partiers and I just want to chill all the time. Could all be in my head though and it could just be who I am tripping or not.
Psychedelics won't fuck you up like crank or heavy drinking will though. Meth will suck your soul right out of you. Alcohol just makes you dumber. Go talk to the homeless you'll see what I mean.
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