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Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin 1
#22478472 - 11/04/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Experienced trippers, what do you think about this quote? I grew and tripped frequently over a 6 month period 5 years ago. Multiple doses at 7 g dried, numerous at 5 g. Many less than that. Probably racked up 15-20 trips in that 6 month period. I wouldn't advise this; I was quite young when this went on.
I haven't taken a serious dose for 3 years and I have been reflecting on the psychedelic experience lately. It had a massive impact on who I was. For better, or for worse, I cannot say. Too many variables when discussing the hows and whys we turn out how we do. It should be noted that I wouldn't want to be anyone else on earth. I'm very comfortable with me.
For those who have taken a break for an extended period of time (ie, years) after heavy use, what do you think? Would you do it again? Will you continue to use psychedelics for personal exploration?
The quote is from a Stone Temple Pilots's song titled Big Empty
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: shr]
#22478987 - 11/04/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dunno, man, I've been tripping on average every other week for over three years with a six month stint last year where I tripped around 30 times, and I haven't worn thin yet. I smoke plenty of weed, too, and indulge in drugs other than psychedelics, and have been able to work a full time job and lead a contented life. I think it just depends on your body and mental framework.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Acidreamer]
#22479014 - 11/04/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think if you're tripping L every weekend and staying up all night the sleep deprivation can wear you thin for sure.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: satch1234]
#22479126 - 11/05/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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satch1234 said: I think if you're tripping L every weekend and staying up all night the sleep deprivation can wear you thin for sure.
Straight up. I can't sleep till like the 13 hour mark. I had a time where I would trip by myself In my room like all night and it definitely had me feeling super fried after a couple times
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: shr]
#22481023 - 11/05/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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shr said: Experienced trippers, what do you think about this quote? I grew and tripped frequently over a 6 month period 5 years ago. Multiple doses at 7 g dried, numerous at 5 g. Many less than that. Probably racked up 15-20 trips in that 6 month period. I wouldn't advise this; I was quite young when this went on.
I haven't taken a serious dose for 3 years and I have been reflecting on the psychedelic experience lately. It had a massive impact on who I was. For better, or for worse, I cannot say. Too many variables when discussing the hows and whys we turn out how we do. It should be noted that I wouldn't want to be anyone else on earth. I'm very comfortable with me.
For those who have taken a break for an extended period of time (ie, years) after heavy use, what do you think? Would you do it again? Will you continue to use psychedelics for personal exploration?
I've tripped a lot more than that, and more intensively than that over periods of many months, but I gotta say, if you don't have a really good reason to do it can have unwelcome effects. Not necessarily bad effects, just stuff that's hard to sort through if you try to hold on to your original limited perspective about what's happening.
More to the point, I've taken breaks as well, up to 10 years one time - and when I went back to it was like no time had passed at all. In the psychedelic hyperdimensional realm, time really doesn't pass like we normally perceive it.
I don't use them for personal exploration anymore, for the most part. I use them to explore realities that are usually hidden from human view. 
But no, if you treat them with respect, it NEVER wears thin at all.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: shr] 1
#22481754 - 11/05/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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shr said: Experienced trippers, what do you think about this quote? I grew and tripped frequently over a 6 month period 5 years ago. Multiple doses at 7 g dried, numerous at 5 g. Many less than that. Probably racked up 15-20 trips in that 6 month period. I wouldn't advise this; I was quite young when this went on.
I haven't taken a serious dose for 3 years and I have been reflecting on the psychedelic experience lately. It had a massive impact on who I was. For better, or for worse, I cannot say. Too many variables when discussing the hows and whys we turn out how we do. It should be noted that I wouldn't want to be anyone else on earth. I'm very comfortable with me.
For those who have taken a break for an extended period of time (ie, years) after heavy use, what do you think? Would you do it again? Will you continue to use psychedelics for personal exploration?
The quote is from a Stone Temple Pilots's song titled Big Empty
I think it is a great quote. This is what always seems to happen to me when I trip a lot. I experience incredible revelations and my life changes and often improves in a lot of ways but at the expense of something, it somehow feels like I have traded away a part of my soul in exchange for what I have gained.
That is why I have stopped using psychedelics recetly and switched over to aminita muscaria and kava. Kava can be surprisesingly spiritual to someone whose doors are already open from taking psychedelics. The native pacific islanders say that when they drink kava, they can speak to the spirits of their ancestors and I very believe this to be true now, after I had a kava session in which I very strongly felt the presence of my late grandmother. Although kava doesn't approach the sheer power, the exhileration, the wonder and the sensory enhancement of seretogenics (nor does amninita) I find myself greatly preferring these sorts of calm, very meditative experiences vs the ever changing spiritual fireworks of the seretogenics.
Seretogenics have become too destructive for me. By destructive, I don't mean they are destructive like alcohol or crack, but destructive in the sense that they destroy beliefs, ego structures and reference points, often violently (at least when you take the 5-6 gram doses I was taking). This can be very valuable to someone who is very trapped in their current mental box. Sometimes you need a powerful tool to break you out of it. But once you have been freed from that box, is it a good idea to keep using the tool or might you end up destroying some parts of yourself that you actually would have rather kept?
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Peyote Road]
#22482224 - 11/05/15 06:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That something that you feel like you lose isn't something you actually needed - because it was never real, however strongly you were attached to it. Practice meditation with any regularity and you'll experience the same sense of "loss", and moreover you get to experience doubt about the very process. OTOH there are all those bodhisattvas standing on the other side beckoning you onwards. This could be true of deep psychedelic experience as well...
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#22482723 - 11/05/15 07:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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well i think what can happen is you can destroy the ego before liberation happens and that is not good because the ego is meant to care of us after we forget our true self. Its true when you realize the true self you dont need to the egoic self anymore but that doesnt mean the way to liberation is through destruction of the egoic self and that is what psychedelics tend to do. i could be wrong though.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Peyote Road]
#22482778 - 11/05/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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OP, yes I am in the same boat as you currently. When tripping many times (4-8x/month) for over a year, I became so much. Each time I trip nowadays it's different though. i can't explain how but it's real to me and has many many facets. I just do not know. I wish to try it again and see what the perspective will be like, and i may sometime. I have had many trips since then but they have been extremely spaced out, and honestly, I have been longing for the past kind of tripping during the new trips. I need to let go of my past and become who I am now. When the insides match the outsides i'm not running from anybody  If you're looking for ideas, I say, trip and see what you tell yourself. Then see what you tell yourself sober after the trip. I only say this because it is what I will do.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: Peyote Road]
#22482957 - 11/05/15 08:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: well i think what can happen is you can destroy the ego before liberation happens and that is not good because the ego is meant to care of us after we forget our true self. Its true when you realize the true self you dont need to the egoic self anymore but that doesnt mean the way to liberation is through destruction of the egoic self and that is what psychedelics tend to do. i could be wrong though.
I don't think the ego is really meant for anything...it just happens to exist, because it can. We're the only creatures with our kind of self consciousness, and we're the only creatures with what we call "egos". The only demonstration I have of this is that you can get along just fine without it, as it's mostly just illusion anyway. Your conscious mind creates a sense of self that merely follows along in the path of what occurs while feeling that it controls those occurences. Studies show that brain activity directed at voluntary motion, for instance, occurs before individuals attempt to exert their "will" and produce these motions.
You can't easily destroy the ego - I tried that in vain for a few years with the aid of psychedelics. But you can step out from it completely if you try -it's like going out the door rather than trying to burn the house down. I don't see how psychedelics participate in destruction of the ego, even though that's a common belief - they suspend it somehow and you experience what it's like without it being in the way, IME. But I could be wrong too, we could all be wrong.
It's hard to think about these things, and for good reason. That's why certain schools of meditation (Zen particularly) emphasis not thinking about it, just let it be suspended.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22483837 - 11/05/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great song, op.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22484683 - 11/06/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Peyote Road said: well i think what can happen is you can destroy the ego before liberation happens and that is not good because the ego is meant to care of us after we forget our true self. Its true when you realize the true self you dont need to the egoic self anymore but that doesnt mean the way to liberation is through destruction of the egoic self and that is what psychedelics tend to do. i could be wrong though.
I don't think the ego is really meant for anything...it just happens to exist, because it can. We're the only creatures with our kind of self consciousness, and we're the only creatures with what we call "egos". The only demonstration I have of this is that you can get along just fine without it, as it's mostly just illusion anyway. Your conscious mind creates a sense of self that merely follows along in the path of what occurs while feeling that it controls those occurences. Studies show that brain activity directed at voluntary motion, for instance, occurs before individuals attempt to exert their "will" and produce these motions.
You can't easily destroy the ego - I tried that in vain for a few years with the aid of psychedelics. But you can step out from it completely if you try -it's like going out the door rather than trying to burn the house down. I don't see how psychedelics participate in destruction of the ego, even though that's a common belief - they suspend it somehow and you experience what it's like without it being in the way, IME. But I could be wrong too, we could all be wrong.
It's hard to think about these things, and for good reason. That's why certain schools of meditation (Zen particularly) emphasis not thinking about it, just let it be suspended. 
Awesome way of wording it. 
The ego creates problems that don't exist, it creates illusions of time when all that exists is the present moment you are in. I've experienced this many times and it's beautiful although i'm always having my ego creep back up and take control. It's a constant battle but to permanently and effortlessly be conscious and present is the nirvana.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: m1ch43l8]
#22487786 - 11/06/15 06:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes I have the same exact problem I also have experienced eternity and the void but somehow my ego always takes control again and ruins my life.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#22489245 - 11/07/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: That something that you feel like you lose isn't something you actually needed - because it was never real, however strongly you were attached to it. Practice meditation with any regularity and you'll experience the same sense of "loss", and moreover you get to experience doubt about the very process. OTOH there are all those bodhisattvas standing on the other side beckoning you onwards. This could be true of deep psychedelic experience as well... 
I don't think that is what he was talking about though.
It isn't necessarily about "losing" anything....but more or less a burned out feeling.
Here's the thing..... drugs like amphetamines and cocaine, they wear down the physical body. Drugs like psychedelics...if you don't give your mind and being proper rest....they can wear down the mental/emotional bodies.
Psychedelics are not toys. I used to trip once a week from the time I was 14 until around 16, thats 2 years....and I definitely needed a break after that. Part of it was being too young, now that I reflect back, and part of it was not spacing out each experience properly.
It is almost like getting burned out on anything else. Try eating chocolate everyday. Even if you love chocolate, most people after a few weeks or so will not want to LOOK at chocolate anymore. Theyve overdone it. Everything in moderation.
This is the beauty of fasting. You can fast from anything, not just food. You can fast from drugs, sex, music, speaking, tv, the list goes on....
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: tekramrepus]
#22490226 - 11/07/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I beg to differ i do intermittent fasting daily
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: m1ch43l8]
#22490575 - 11/07/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the quote has some accuracy. But the soul can't be worn thin, it's just your brains neurotransmitters that are lacking.
I'm not against semi-regular "tripping". I find that my experiences being spaced by at least two weeks is needed to not stress out my body. Once a month seems fairly optimal.
As far as mentally speaking, one experience can do more damage than hundreds of consecutive experiences. "burning out" is a figurative term used loosely. It's not particularly quantitative.
That being said, I burned myself out on using LSD weekly for several years back in high school. I never gave myself a chance to incorporate the lessons I took on, nor did I have a chance to recover from the traumas I put myself through. As a result I stopped feeling human, and I lost my drive to participate in society. It's never really fully recovered but I've learned to fake it pretty well, and now I find myself in a rather comfortable niche
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: m1ch43l8]
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When I was about 21, I had tripped probably ~250 times (started when I was 16). My soul was shot. I could barely hold down a conversation because I felt that everything and everyone was phony. I was incapable of small talk, and my mind was too scattered to try and express myself so I clam up around people. I could BS forever with my burn out friends, talking about sex, music, drugs etc, but that was about it. I just felt that the "serious" world was stupid and fake and I wanted no part of it. I was a psychedelic person and I was above and beyond all that crap.
That's around when I stopped tripping. In the years that followed I completely changed. I filled my head with all kinds of useful stuff and trivial stuff, learned how to play the game and be part of machine. By the time I was 25, you couldn't shut me up. I had a job where I had to give tech support to strangers, and that gave me the ability to shoot the shit with just about anyone. I went on to play the part - wife, kids, house, my own business, all kinds of debts and responsibilities.
Now, in my early 50's, I've rediscovered psychedelics and it's different. My brain is full now, compared to being like a clean slate 30 years ago. The time off from tripping, the memories/experiences and things I've learned make it a different trip. Better in some ways, worse in others. For example, the intense fascination and mystery is no longer there. I'm not making any revelations in my mind that I haven't done a thousand times. Things are much more in control. It's hard to explain - someone could probably write a book about this.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: tekramrepus]
#22490740 - 11/07/15 01:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think that is what he was talking about though.
It isn't necessarily about "losing" anything....but more or less a burned out feeling.
Here's the thing..... drugs like amphetamines and cocaine, they wear down the physical body. Drugs like psychedelics...if you don't give your mind and being proper rest....they can wear down the mental/emotional bodies.
Well sure, but I was replying to PeyoteRoad not the OP, honestly.
The interpretation isn't the thing itself, getting to the root of the thing itself is a lot harder than just the sense of ego having a hard time when repeatedly faced with its own irreality. And it really truly does that, it's nothing but defense mechanisms. IME anyway.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: PrimalSoup]
#22493119 - 11/07/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That song takes me way back. Great song, great album. AFAIK Weiland was mostly a heroin addict and I've never heard any mention of him using psychedelics. In all likelihood the trippin he's talking about is more metaphoric and is more about his escapist opiate use. In which case, hell yes, opiates will wear your soul thin.
Psychedelics, being entheogenic, feed the soul. You might get too much soul and get too far out, but I never feel thin souled from psychedelics. Doing acid every day would just make me get really weird and delusional, I'd think I was fucking God or something like that. I feel burnt out the next day after an epic trip but that's more body tired, my soul feels fine.
MDMA and opiates are way more soul killers IME, molly being the worst, nothing feels deader and emptier inside than being all rolled out.
At any rate, that's always been my interpretation of that line. Really a beautiful song. I think STP in that Purple/Core era was a solid and underrated band, I always liked them more than Nirvana but whatevs, maybe I'm just a Cali boy.
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Re: Too much trippin, and my soul's worn thin [Re: tekramrepus] 1
#22493333 - 11/07/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: That something that you feel like you lose isn't something you actually needed - because it was never real, however strongly you were attached to it. Practice meditation with any regularity and you'll experience the same sense of "loss", and moreover you get to experience doubt about the very process. OTOH there are all those bodhisattvas standing on the other side beckoning you onwards. This could be true of deep psychedelic experience as well... 
I don't think that is what he was talking about though.
It isn't necessarily about "losing" anything....but more or less a burned out feeling.
Here's the thing..... drugs like amphetamines and cocaine, they wear down the physical body. Drugs like psychedelics...if you don't give your mind and being proper rest....they can wear down the mental/emotional bodies.
Psychedelics are not toys. I used to trip once a week from the time I was 14 until around 16, thats 2 years....and I definitely needed a break after that. Part of it was being too young, now that I reflect back, and part of it was not spacing out each experience properly.
It is almost like getting burned out on anything else. Try eating chocolate everyday. Even if you love chocolate, most people after a few weeks or so will not want to LOOK at chocolate anymore. Theyve overdone it. Everything in moderation.
This is the beauty of fasting. You can fast from anything, not just food. You can fast from drugs, sex, music, speaking, tv, the list goes on....
Yes, the material world is just the tip of the iceberg of all that is. I feel like taking too much psychedelics messes up the parts of yourself that extend into the areas which are currently unconscious.
It's not the same as meditation because meditation can help you become more relaxed, focused and clear minded while taking a lot of psychedelics makes you more scatter brained and anxious, I think. You can have psychedelic revelations that help you become more calm and relaxed and clear headed, but that is not the effect that the drugs themselves have on the nervous system. They actually speed up thought and send lots of energy through the nervous system. Doing this over and over does not lead the nervous into a more balanced, calm and peaceful state. As I said, you might get certain knowledge/revelations but I have learned that spiritual knowledge and revelations while of some value, are not what is to be aimed at on the spiritual path and actually come more as a result of aiming in the right direction rather than causing it.
This is why I have turned to kava and aminita muscaria instead. I find that these substances do not speed up my thinking but actually help me get out of the delusion and distortions caused by the mind and get more in touch with my beign, which is always there. Because it is always there, it is simply not necessary to embark on some crazy 5 gram mushroom adventure in order to find it and I feel like tripping a lot, though it may destroy your physical identity, leads you away from your true being because you true being is ever present and has nothing to do with distorted or expanded states of mind. The distorted and expands states produced by psychedelics and the spiritual phenomena are in themselves addictive and thus lead one away from true fullfullment. The very fact that you feel the need/desire to trip so many times is evidence of the addictive nature of the experience, I think.
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