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#22476084 - 11/04/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-to-decriminalise-small-amounts-of-drugs-including-heroin-cocaine-and-cannabis-for-personal-a6719136.html
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Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis, for personal use Minister also announced intention to implement 'injection rooms' in Dublin for addicts
Rose Troup Buchanan Tuesday 3 November 2015
Ireland will move towards decriminalising substances including heroin, cocaine and cannabis as part of a “radical cultural shift”, the country's drugs minister has said.
Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, the chief of Ireland’s National Drugs Strategy, told a lecture at the London School of Economics on Monday that drug users will be able to inject in specially designated rooms in Dublin from next year.
The minister said attitudes to drugs needed to move away from shaming addicts to helping them and emphasised there was a difference between legalisation and decriminalisation.
It would remain a crime to profit – from either the sale or distribution of illegal drugs – but drug takers would no longer be criminalised for their addictions.
“I am firmly of the view that there needs to be a cultural shift in how we regard substance misuse if we are to break this cycle and make a serious attempt to tackle drug and alcohol addiction,” said Mr Ó Ríordáin.
However, while Mr O Ríordáin told The Irish Times that there was a “strong consensus that drugs across the board should be decriminalised,” he said it would be for Ireland’s next government to discuss.
His comments follow a leaked report from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, appearing to call for a worldwide decriminalisation on 19 October.
The report was reportedly withdrawn after at least one nation put pressure on the international body to bury the findings of Dr Monica Beg, chief of the HIV/AIDs section of the UNODC in Vienna.
Discussing plans to open ‘injection rooms’ Mr Ó Ríordáin said they would be “clinically controlled environments” that would aim to prevent already vulnerable individuals from exposing themselves to further risks.
He added: “Research has shown that the use of supervised injecting centres is associated with self-reported reductions in injecting risk behaviours.”
Following the opening of the Dublin clinic, the minster added he hoped similar rooms in Cork, Glaway and Limerick would also open.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Mostly_Harmless] 2
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The world's moving forward muthafucka
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Near Dylan] 1
#22476189 - 11/04/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said: The world's moving forward muthafucka
Yea man, Ive been seeing more and more evidence to that effect. Eight years ago I would have laughed at someone who told me the UN would recommend decriminalizing drugs and multiple states would have legal recreational marijuana, but here we are
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: bloodsheen]
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And we're only moving faster. At least from this aspect. The goal is changing stigmas and opening peoples' minds. Once we get there, that's when the real shit can finally begin
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Near Dylan]
#22476280 - 11/04/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right on.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: bloodsheen]
#22479151 - 11/05/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said: The world's moving forward muthafucka
Yea man, Ive been seeing more and more evidence to that effect. Eight years ago I would have laughed at someone who told me the UN would recommend decriminalizing drugs and multiple states would have legal recreational marijuana, but here we are
I knew I'd see legal pot in my lifetime. Saw it coming way back in the 90s, with its increasing popularity, proliferation of high grade bud, and impact on art and culture. I just didn't imagine it would start as soon as it did, or pick up as much momentum as it's seemed to. But that's definitely a good thing.
What would be really great, is if the whole world could come to it's goddamned senses and fully legalize and regulate every drug. But that one may take a little more time. Especially, sadly, in the USA.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Magicman69]
#22479157 - 11/05/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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fuckin finally. Hopefully this will help true addicts from dying
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22479496 - 11/05/15 05:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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“I am firmly of the view that there needs to be a cultural shift in how we regard substance misuse if we are to break this cycle and make a serious attempt to tackle drug and alcohol addiction,” said Mr Ó Ríordáin.
Damn right! yall! does that quote not sound right out of FOOD OF THE GODs Good news
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: CidneyIndole]
#22481984 - 11/05/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Near Dylan said: The world's moving forward muthafucka
Yea man, Ive been seeing more and more evidence to that effect. Eight years ago I would have laughed at someone who told me the UN would recommend decriminalizing drugs and multiple states would have legal recreational marijuana, but here we are
What would be really great, is if the whole world could come to it's goddamned senses and fully legalize and regulate every drug. But that one may take a little more time. Especially, sadly, in the USA.
I disagree with this statement, and heres why.
Friend of mine works in a Brewery in Colorado. A couple weeks ago this woman comes in, does the tour, and starts drinking beer. Strong beer. Two beers later she passes the fuck out.
She had just eaten her first edible and thought "Hey, I'm trying a high dose of a drug I rarely use. Lets go on a booze tour!" Obviously she was perfectly fine, but what if it had been a world where you could get any drug and she mixed it with a bunch of Heroin or something?
I don't believe drugs like Heroin can be used responsibly. Even with the internet, a treasure trove of sources for advise and information, people still just do whatever willy-nilly. However, drugs that are nearly innocuous overall, like weed or mushrooms, I absolutely agree
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: bloodsheen] 2
#22482641 - 11/05/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: but what if it had been a world where you could get any drug and she mixed it with a bunch of Heroin or something?
Since when did it become our job to protect people from their own stupidity in regards to harming themselves?
I'm all for laws that stop (or try to stop) people from harming others, however each human is sovereign over, and responsible for, their own existence. The moment the law tries to stop people from harming themselves, we end up with very ugly, and very unjust situations.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#22482751 - 11/05/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: but what if it had been a world where you could get any drug and she mixed it with a bunch of Heroin or something?
Since when did it become our job to protect people from their own stupidity in regards to harming themselves?
I'm all for laws that stop (or try to stop) people from harming others, however each human is sovereign over, and responsible for, their own existence. The moment the law tries to stop people from harming themselves, we end up with very ugly, and very unjust situations.
Theres always decriminalization. It dissuades people from getting it while still not punishing them for doing what they wish with their body. Same can be said for prostitution really
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: bloodsheen] 1
#22483239 - 11/05/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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And I'd take decriminalization any day over the system we currently have in place. The only thing I do in this life that puts me at risk of harm from the law is ingest certain substances into my body and I would feel an indescribable relief when the times comes that I don't have to worry about the law fucking my whole life up because of what I choose to take.
However, it is still not an ideal system. Cartels will still run the show, and the terror and death they leave in their wake will still exist. Users will still be subject to uncontrolled purity and being sold something other than is advertised which is clearly dangerous and causes a lot of death.
I think CidneyIndole's suggestion would, in terms of global death toll, be the safest for everyone. Sure, people like the woman at the brewery you mention will still injure themselves/OD/die, but I think if you look at it from a numbers perspective, the legalization and regulation of every drug will, overall, cause the least deaths of any option available to us.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: bloodsheen] 1
#22483540 - 11/05/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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bloodsheen said: Theres always decriminalization. It dissuades people from getting it while still not punishing them for doing what they wish with their body. Same can be said for prostitution really
No, that's a half-assed incomplete solution. Better than nothing, for sure. But not better than legalization.
1- Regarding decrim, it doesn't "dissuade people from getting it" as you suggest. It supposedly disincentivizes people from selling it. But let's be real here-- it doesn't do that very effectively either. Seling drugs is just as illegal now, as it would be if we had full decriminalization tomorrow. And let me ask you-- is there any shortage of drug dealers in your part of the world?
No? Mine either.
2- How about druggies? Any shortage of those? Because drugs are pretty illegal now. And the penalties are not nice. But it's the funniest thing... it's almost as though that doesn't do a damn thing to stop the people who are intent on using them. Sorry, not "almost like," it's exactly like that.
Drug laws do not stop users OR dealers. By criminalizing drugs, illegal dealers actually have more incentive to sell. There's no legal market. Black market drugs is the only game in town, as they say. That keeps prices high, and it keeps drug preparation in the hands of criminals. Many of whom are not scrupulous. Most of whom do not test their products. Keeping drugs illegal literally makes them more dangerous.
You know why a lot of heroin overdoses happen? Because heroin is completely inconsistent from batch to batch. Some is way more cut or pure than others. Some isn't even heroin, but instead a fentanyl derivative. You know your city is flooded with fentanyl when junkies start dropping left and right. That's not because fentanyl is impossible to use safely (though it is more difficult.) That's because people are expecting diacetylmorphine (heroin) and ending up with a different drug entirely, which is stronger than they're used to. = DEATH.
Legalizing drugs would legitimize the drug industry, and would literally make drugs more pure, more clean, therefore safer. People would know the exact dosage they end up with, rather than having to guess, or test. It would take profits away from criminal organizations. It would reduce the suffering of legions of addicts and users. People would no longer have their lives ruined because of a criminal record. Drug offenders would not go to prison, where they can learn to become better (i.e.real) criminals, nor come out with a felony record that would keep them from getting honest work.
As for your anecdote... well, that woman is a fucking moron. No helping that. That incident could have happened with alcohol alone. The perfectly-legal alcohol is one of the most dangerous and self destructive drugs out there. I genuinely believe that in the long term, it's more destructive than even heroin. Every single day, somewhere out there, people are getting too drunk and doing stupid shit. Injuring themselves. Injuring others. So should we ban alcohol, too? Or just punish the assholes who cross a line and hurt others?
The "war on drugs" does A LOT of harm. Far more harm than the drugs they're supposedly protecting us from. It's really only effective as a money-making operation, and a way to control certain segments of the population. As a tool of social justice or reform, it's less than worthless-- it does the opposite of its stated intent.
I honestly urge you to research this issue more carefully. With enough study, I think you may come to better understand my perspective.
Just saying...
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: CidneyIndole]
#22483988 - 11/05/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great post Cindey.
I recommend this book to anyone who has even a passing interest in the war on drugs:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chasing-Scream-First-Last-Drugs/dp/1408857839
Not only is it very unbiased and full of information you probably had no idea about (some of the stuff about the way the war started is beyond belief), but it's also very well written and a gripping tale. You won't be disappointed.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#22484026 - 11/05/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Great post Cindey.
I recommend this book to anyone who has even a passing interest in the war on drugs:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chasing-Scream-First-Last-Drugs/dp/1408857839
Not only is it very unbiased and full of information you probably had no idea about (some of the stuff about the way the war started is beyond belief), but it's also very well written and a gripping tale. You won't be disappointed.
QFT. My business finance teacher referred me to that book.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Near Dylan]
#22484743 - 11/06/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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goddamn, it's a good day when you hear that people are trying to fix the ridiculous pot/drug laws.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: Near Dylan]
#22485888 - 11/06/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The thing is, we DID try to make alcohol illegal. But to take a drug away from people that 50%+ of the population was already using was just not plausible.
I agree that alcohol is a great allegory for other drugs. But the idea of there being ads on billboards with a guy with a needle in his arm looking totally blissful and a slogan underneath "Chachki brand heroin. Its all you really need." ...you get the picture.
And honestly the fact that weed is illegal HAS stopped me from using it before. I'll have two dealers, one gets caught and the other moves away. I end up dry and stop using, then I just stop trying. I'm aware that if the drug were far more addictive I would have a different attitude, i.e. trying much harder to find it, but...
I guess I just don't like the idea of the government totally giving up on encouraging healthy lifestyles. Back in the 70's the government was really trying to stamp out a culture, not a drug. They didn't want people opening their minds and doing things outside of a certain lifestyle, they wanted everyone to go to a factory job 9-5 and pay their taxes. People who used drugs tended to be "bums" and they thought that by wiping out the drugs they use the culture would die out.
I'm just saying I don't believe there are any good reasons to use heroin. Nobody gets addicted to LSD, its so intense most people only desire to have it every once in awhile (I know I would never use it more than a few times a year). Weed, if anything, has been shown to be GOOD for you, not bad...
I get that isn't your point at all. Your point is, if you are fighting a war that is hopeless, why not just give in?
Nobody is ever going to stop making child porn. There will always be ways to distribute it, there are billions of kids to use, and pedophiles aren't going anywhere. So why not just regulate it? Make sure the parents consent (if you don't think there are millions of parents who would do anything for a certain amount of money you're wrong). Make sure the kid is taken care of, that the sex act isn't violent, etc.
Obviously that idea is absolutely abhorrent. Even typing it was kind of offensive. I just think the problem with the war on drugs is the direction, not the intent. Instead of mandatory minimums, put tons of money into treatment options. Create government jobs that help transition addicts into a regular life. Stop using the fact that a drug gets you high to decide if it should be illegal and instead focus on how dangerous it is to society as a whole.
I'm playing devil's advocate to a certain extent. If I had a gun to my head and somebody said "You get to decide right now, keep the war on drugs or legalize all of them" I would absolutely choose legalization. But in my heart I would be disappointed that I lived in a country where there is absolutely nothing wrong with going down to the local drug store and buying a dozen crack rocks and a quart of milk.
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Re: Ireland to 'decriminalise' small amounts of drugs, including heroin, cocaine and cannabis [Re: bloodsheen]
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bloodsheen said: but what if it had been a world where you could get any drug and she mixed it with a bunch of Heroin or something?
Since when did it become our job to protect people from their own stupidity in regards to harming themselves?
I'm all for laws that stop (or try to stop) people from harming others, however each human is sovereign over, and responsible for, their own existence. The moment the law tries to stop people from harming themselves, we end up with very ugly, and very unjust situations.
Theres always decriminalization. It dissuades people from getting it while still not punishing them for doing what they wish with their body. Same can be said for prostitution really
I agree completely with decriminalization on everything, otherwise people are gonna do anything without knowing the effects because they think its safe because its legal. Think bout the view of a bunch of phening dope heads wandering the street for there next buzz, shits gonna get outta hand if it becomes legal. But idk thats just my 2 cents
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