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Cookebot
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ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off
#22473694 - 11/03/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi All,
Can anyone help to identify these? They look sort of like a cross between lawnmower's and subs. I have never seen lawnmowers this large, and I have never seen subs in this substrate.
They were seen today growing in mulch on the patio of a chain restaurant. There were no woody plants growing in the beds, only herbaceous species.
Overall, When young and fresh the pileus begins as a chocolate brown. As they expand or within six hours of picking, cap becomes a buff tan/grey. Smell is not very remarkable - very similar to cremini mushrooms.
Spore print is dark - I would call it black. No bruising of the flesh observed.
Growth form is mycenoid.
Pileus circular from above, various in profile. Paraboloid in profile when young, becoming obtusely conical, then subumbonate with expansion. Somewhat brittle but not very fragile. Largest cap ~4.5 cm wide.
Margin straight to slightly deflexed and undate to undulate.
Gills/lamellae furcate, subdistant. Attachment to stipe: ventricose to narrowly adnate. Lamellae edge undulate or eroded (under 20x magnification).
Stipe centrally inserted, cylindrical, 2-3 mm wide, solid or stuffed, somewhat fibrous, base with a few rhizomorphs (I think - may just be hyphae). Brittle and breaking easily when fresh, toughening when dry.
I have not used a microscope so I can not describe spores or cystidia.
Any help is greatly appreciated!
-------------------- "Whether we respond to facets of nature with wide-eyed amazement or knowing nods depends on what our theories and predispositions led us to expect". -Connor and Simberloff United we stand, divided we fall. Let's take our minds, bodies, and nation back with liberty and justice for all! They're selling us lies, but don't believe the hype. Before they come for you, better learn to snipe.
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: Cookebot]
#22473738 - 11/03/15 10:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Look to be Psathyrella.
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Cookebot
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: canid]
#22473799 - 11/03/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
canid said: Look to be Psathyrella.
Shoot, foenisecii you think?
-------------------- "Whether we respond to facets of nature with wide-eyed amazement or knowing nods depends on what our theories and predispositions led us to expect". -Connor and Simberloff United we stand, divided we fall. Let's take our minds, bodies, and nation back with liberty and justice for all! They're selling us lies, but don't believe the hype. Before they come for you, better learn to snipe.
Any information, stories, or ideas exchanged here are purely hypothetical and are for speculation purposes only.
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: Cookebot]
#22473806 - 11/03/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Or corrugated cap maybe?
-------------------- "Whether we respond to facets of nature with wide-eyed amazement or knowing nods depends on what our theories and predispositions led us to expect". -Connor and Simberloff United we stand, divided we fall. Let's take our minds, bodies, and nation back with liberty and justice for all! They're selling us lies, but don't believe the hype. Before they come for you, better learn to snipe.
Any information, stories, or ideas exchanged here are purely hypothetical and are for speculation purposes only.
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: Cookebot]
#22473863 - 11/03/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I tend to think of such trouping terrestrial Psathyrellas on wood chips, mulch or disturbed ground as c.f. gracilis and not take it much further than that. That is of course the lazy approach and apt to be wrong often. It's a hard habit to break.
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: canid]
#22473932 - 11/03/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Now I'm more interested. Might need to key it out if I get a chance. Thanks for the lead canid!
-------------------- "Whether we respond to facets of nature with wide-eyed amazement or knowing nods depends on what our theories and predispositions led us to expect". -Connor and Simberloff United we stand, divided we fall. Let's take our minds, bodies, and nation back with liberty and justice for all! They're selling us lies, but don't believe the hype. Before they come for you, better learn to snipe.
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: Cookebot]
#22473945 - 11/03/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get yourself a nice microscope. And some concentrated sulfuric acid. And a copy of Smith
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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it. If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: canid]
#22474004 - 11/03/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do have a microscope, but it's pretty old. I'm pretty sure I have concentrated sulfuric. I do not have Smith, but I'll look for it.
-------------------- "Whether we respond to facets of nature with wide-eyed amazement or knowing nods depends on what our theories and predispositions led us to expect". -Connor and Simberloff United we stand, divided we fall. Let's take our minds, bodies, and nation back with liberty and justice for all! They're selling us lies, but don't believe the hype. Before they come for you, better learn to snipe.
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: Cookebot]
#22474023 - 11/03/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's a recently updated key that might be useful. It's mainly for European occurring species, so it might come short in some respects though.
http://www.vielepilze.de/selten/psat/key/ekey.pdf
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: Anglerfish]
#22474970 - 11/04/15 08:29 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've found these and actually figured out what they were but for the life of me i can't remember or find it again
i keep running down the lacrymaria path but i'm pretty sure its not that
maybe a stropharia? but that doesn't seem quite right either
let us know if you come up with it, its gonna nag me
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: RuralAnomaly]
#22476449 - 11/04/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Panaeolus papilionaceus
Would be my guess...
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: N05482]
#22476724 - 11/04/15 02:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ah! thanks. i see i would have remembered it with another name: Panaeolus retirugis
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: RuralAnomaly]
#22476777 - 11/04/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's possible, as the landscaping might be manured. I would characterize that as terrestrial or from fine woody debris though.
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Re: ID Request Fall 2015 - Looking nice, but something's off [Re: canid]
#22480385 - 11/05/15 09:57 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have not had an opportunity to key it out yet, but that European key looks pretty helpful for Psathyrellas - so thanks.
I do think Panaeolus papilionaceus is a likely ID. It looks and feels like a Pan sp., and in the images of it I have seen online, several have a white girdle. That's the character that was most upsetting about the find. At first glance I thought they were subs, but I realized they dark/light zonation was backwards.
-------------------- "Whether we respond to facets of nature with wide-eyed amazement or knowing nods depends on what our theories and predispositions led us to expect". -Connor and Simberloff United we stand, divided we fall. Let's take our minds, bodies, and nation back with liberty and justice for all! They're selling us lies, but don't believe the hype. Before they come for you, better learn to snipe.
Any information, stories, or ideas exchanged here are purely hypothetical and are for speculation purposes only.
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