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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Makaveli]
#22693874 - 12/24/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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How is Kratom for someone who uses dope? I have read so many conflicting reports. Can you still get high off kratom if you're at the point of using dope? I've actually been clean for a while now but am (stupidly) deciding to test the waters. I know it ends badly, but I am still a glutton for punishment 20 years later.
If you've got a tolerance it will do very little and be negligible. If you use dope and don't get horribly sick it will probably help alot in withdrawals, and could potentiate a bit too, but won't ever get you as high as you're probably used to.
You're clean though, so it would probably get you high, as well as increase the risk that you relapse on dope. For me half-measures just keep me primed to use again, where when I'm clean I'm more aware of what I've got to lose and what I'm facing if I go back.
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using kratom after clean time is like trying to relapse without relapsing.
that cost me a decent run of sobriety back in 2013.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Makaveli]
#22700189 - 12/25/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Apostle said: 3 oz of kratom arrived today
did H like twice this week. got a fire new connect
kinda feeling sick.
payday soon.
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How is Kratom for someone who uses dope? I have read so many conflicting reports. Can you still get high off kratom if you're at the point of using dope? I've actually been clean for a while now but am (stupidly) deciding to test the waters. I know it ends badly, but I am still a glutton for punishment 20 years later.
I ate an oz a day for 3 days.
Its not bad but i don't use H that often.
Kratom tolerance going up is more of an issue than cross tolerance.
but yea i enjoy it and am pretty experienced with opiates. If i was physically hooked then i doubt id get euphoria off krat but i still enjoy the subtle relief.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Apostle]
#22702876 - 12/26/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just found out heroin has killed another friend of mine.
That makes 5 this year.
This shit is no fucking joke guys. Either you quit or you die young.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Rustifer]
#22703629 - 12/26/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lost a few friends as well . my condolances.
Though i don't believe it guarantees an early grave 
i never lost a vein, got no track marks and always pass my physicals with great results. i did 3 bags today and am gonnna do a fat one here in a minute. Ill more likely die from a heart attack due to crack cocaine than from heroin.
still, i can see why it gets such a bad stigma but at the end of the day its just another opiate and harm prevention or lack thereof is to blame for the deaths.
I lost a childhood friend and i dream about him,it sucks man. Addiction in general is a deadly phenomena but i have alot going for me and i think that helps keep me in check.
Usually its people that spiral into a deep depression who use with wreck less abandon.
I dont mean to be insensitive, i hope you heal soon and stay clean as well.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Rustifer]
#22703650 - 12/26/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry for your loss(es) Rusty. That's rough shit. One of my good friends went away for a bottle of Opana a few weeks ago. Was my main hook back in the day. I dunno how many sources the dude shared with me, it's unreal. I just talked to his mom tonight for the first time. Apparently he's been in the hole for the past 2 weeks. 
I'm considering getting a prescription for suboxone soon. Looking around it seems like I'll have to go and get fucked up on some form of opiate in order to get a script. Which is a bitch because I haven't fucked with anything but bupe in months. What ya gonna do though.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Blend]
#22703931 - 12/27/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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hi,new to the community, and wanted to share my experience. ive been clean for 2 weeks today.. yay.
but on November 26 last month, a buddy came over whom i know is a serious addict, and offered me some, via needle of course. i was withdrawling so bad at the time that refusing any opiates would be foolish.. back story: just moved into my brothers, new to this place. and for the most part no one bugged me if i didnt want to be bothered. anyway, friend comes over and he takes it out, gets his tools and fills a very dark needle for me. now i had been up for a full night on meth so my dumbass didnt think to ask how much was in it.. but by the time the thought crossed my mind all of it was in my veins already. as soon as it hit i instantly knew something was wrong, i tried telling my friend this but he ignored me saying "your fine dude"... well my vision went black.. then white as there were fire fighters,police, EMS surrounding me when i woke up.. i was just kinda freaked out. found out after they released me that my friend had dumped the remaining needles onto my unconscionable body, along with tie offs, and took his belongings and tried to leave me as i was.. dead. on the ground.
luckily my brother came in and saw me, freaked out as a typical non user would, and called the police.
point is i almost died that day. it would have been peaceful. but i didnt die, i was revived because of narcan. and i wonder everyday why im here. i have no ambition. i quit a several year serious addiction of various substances, within 3 days. i feel the craving for opiates but the addiction part feels beat. opiates were my social control meds. my coping meds. or even just to get high on because i felt like it.
idk if im cabable of finding happiness. on top of it every one in my city thinks im a junky, when that was only my first time shooting up.
no friends, and no money or obligation to find a therapist. so talk to me. or talk at me. ask me something.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: mistachow]
#22704291 - 12/27/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Welcome to the shroomery chow! Nice work on the two weeks! That is the worst part for me.
Your friend sounds like an asshole. Do you feel like you want to be in treatment or seeing a therapist?
I'm sure you can find happiness, but life is ups and downs, you've got to be prepared to handle both.
 
Also sorry to hear about your friend Rustifer.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Apostle] 2
#22704361 - 12/27/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Apostle said: Though i don't believe it guarantees an early grave 
i never lost a vein, got no track marks and always pass my physicals with great results. i did 3 bags today and am gonnna do a fat one here in a minute. Ill more likely die from a heart attack due to crack cocaine than from heroin.
Famous last words type shit right here.
Unfortunately the reality is that since you have zero control over potency and quality you're just as likely as anyone to OD. You don't have to look or act like a junkie to OD on heroin.
And trust me, it's no fun being brought back to life by paramedics after doing half a twenty and dying.
Just sayin...
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I honestly wonder why you guys even do heroin if it's so dangerous.. why not just stick to psychedelics?
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i did heroin for years, but for some odd reason i broke my single vow which was not to inject it. and what do you know, i nearly died.
heroin is dangerous, i wont deny that. i used many opiates thousands of times in a safe, semi-responsible way, but using needles is asking for trouble. i always justified my use because they gave me a sense of confidence i dont think i can achieve through sobriety.
just rambling to no one here, but i feel that even though i kicked my physical dependence, i feel like i could still use it once every few months and still be fine.. i quit by myself without rehab or anything after years of use. i have this burning urge that i should be rewarded one day out of the month for my pain and suffering. but people around me think one use will rocket me back into daily use. idk.
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moonrockmushy
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Yeah alot of us think that buddy, and yes it probably will lead you back to using. In general once you're hooked it gets harder and harder to maintain. It wouldn't be a problem if it didn't escalate out of your control. I can promise that once you use, you will want to use even more after. That's how it works.
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MrSpadoodles said: I honestly wonder why you guys even do heroin if it's so dangerous.. why not just stick to psychedelics?
I wonder this myself. I think it is probably made worse by selfishness and self-destructive tendencies. Everyone is different but I just encountered alot of oxycontin and fentanyl back in the early 2000s when I was younger, didn't give a fuck, and wanted to party. Alot of people around here are the same. Once they cracked down on all that with new formulations and regulations I started doing heroin.
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MrSpadoodles said: I honestly wonder why you guys even do heroin if it's so dangerous.. why not just stick to psychedelics?
Try it once and you understand why ahahah
Otherwise youll never understand.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: kakashi68]
#22711652 - 12/29/15 01:01 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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wouldn't trying it once be the problem?
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: kakashi68]
#22715558 - 12/30/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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MrSpadoodles said: I honestly wonder why you guys even do heroin if it's so dangerous.. why not just stick to psychedelics?
Try it once and you understand why ahahah
Otherwise youll never understand.
isnt that the truth lol. its a scene of mostly greedy sketchy people,but the drug is wonderful if you can respect it.
they should call it fuckin fools gold, cause thats what it becomes.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: mistachow]
#22715783 - 12/30/15 03:57 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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mistachow said:isnt that the truth lol. its a scene of mostly greedy sketchy people,but the drug is wonderful if you can respect it.
they should call it fuckin fools gold, cause thats what it becomes.
I don't think it's very wonderful. All it does is ruin lives and kill people I love. People talk that shit on here like they can just dabble in it, and perhaps some people can, but I've never seen a casual heroin user. Not once.
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quote'if you can respect it'
the drug is a choice. ruining my life was a choice, continuing to take the drug was a choice, but when your physically dependent it DOESNT feel olike a choice anymore. i quit my severe opiate addiction 2 weeks ago. i died last month on november 26. i broke my vow to never shoot it, then i died. pretty clear sign that i need to quit. i lost my respect and lived to talk about it.
but some people can dabble with it and be just fine. i dabbled with every addicting substance but opiates were my calling. no other drug appeals to me like opiates.
and lastly, if heroin isnt wonderful, why do people do it more then once?..because the feeling is unlike anything you can achieve without it.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: mistachow]
#22716032 - 12/30/15 06:47 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't say it is unlike anything you can achieve without it, at least not in the sense that if feels better than anything else. Alot of what it does is just make you numb to unpleasant shit, and in terms of pleasure at least for me it was maybe a 8/10 at best. Every single time I feel like I was slightly let down, even when I got a really good rush. Honestly I get better natural rushes of feeling good when I'm healthy, I just can't get them on command. Heroin just takes over your brain and makes you thirsty for it, even when it stops feeling good at all.
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#22716089 - 12/30/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: poke smot!]
#22716130 - 12/30/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Congrats on all that clean time! It's good to hear that things can get better!
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