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danielx
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I know im late to this thread, but those struggling with opiate addiction should really look into kratom. Fuck suboxone.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: danielx]
#22546370 - 11/19/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree, in my opinion the two best ways to get off opiates (by FAR) are kratom and ibogaine root.
They work differently but they both work well.
My problem is that I am addicted to Kratom, but its also not a problem.
I told my wife I was thinking of getting off kratom and she was like "NO! thats a bad idea! Its your medicine, it doesnt hurt anything, it makes you a better person"
So I don't know if I should really consider it a problem or not.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22546388 - 11/19/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am addicted to kratom too, but opposed to heroin/oxy/suboxone addiction, its a hell of alot healthier/sustainable/cheaper. Like suboxone, kratom can just keep you well and not craving other opiates while you work on yourself.
I think needing any drug to live is a inherent problem in and of itself, but if its working for you and your significant other, rock it man.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: danielx]
#22546491 - 11/19/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know if you guys have tried to switch to kratom from a long-term habit, but it isn't always that easy. Suboxone is definitely a valid option especially when it is done under medical supervision as part of a treatment plan with a good doctor, as hard as that is to find. Sure, the odds are still stacked against us, but it's better than self-medicating for people who are at the end of their rope.
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Ahh 9g of kratom startin to kick in right now
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Connoisseur]
#22546951 - 11/19/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Suboxone is pretty dam cheap and imo you can maintain on 4mg a day.
I pay ten for an 8mg and thats far more doses than ten bucks of kratom. I only use 2mg sometimes To each his own though.
On day three here and im getting the sweats n runny nose plus restlessness and back pain.
Cant wait for this day to be over and hopefully wake up fine tommorow.
Not too bad all things considered.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Apostle]
#22546966 - 11/19/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always found it funny that subs go for $5-$10 /8mg on the street but pharmacies will charge $11+/8mg
You can maintain on alot less than 4mg/day, that is quite a bit actually. I found it was relatively easy to get down to 2mg/day but after that it got to be rough tapering down.
I swear though subs are some of the worst to come off of. The physical effects are tolerable but I get horrible anxiety from it for some reason, while I'm on it and especially coming off it, plus the kick lasts for weeks. I think I'd rather kick heroin than suboxone.
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Yea i think its unique in that aspect.
My worst kick ever was Dilaudid but at the same time ive never successfully Kicked a strictly suboxone habit so thats testament to how bad it is. I actually used heroin to get off subs the one time i was prescribed subs. Ive kicked dope methadone oxy and dilly and would do it again if i found myself in that situation.
I will never let myself do subs to the point where im hooked on bupe though.
Its just too much for me but using it sparingly i really enjoy the high. Yea it gets me high, idc what anyone says or how high my cross tolerance gets subs will always get me high when taken sparingly.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Apostle]
#22547121 - 11/19/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah they haven't got me high in a long ass time. They actually tend to throw me into precipitated withdrawals these days, I guess 'cause I fucked up my tolerance switching back and forth too many times.
It's crazy though, even with the supposedly long ass halflife, I will have to redose bupe at least every 6-8hrs or I will start getting ancy, where with heroin I will usually not feel that bad until 12-18 hours and even then I'll just be sore and drowsy for a day or so until I get sick, not super anxious like when I'm on subs.
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Quote:
moonrockmushy said:
I swear though subs are some of the worst to come off of. The physical effects are tolerable but I get horrible anxiety from it for some reason, while I'm on it and especially coming off it, plus the kick lasts for weeks. I think I'd rather kick heroin than suboxone.
That's why I recommend kratom. It's like what is the point, may as well be on heroin. I guess it's alot more sustainable and less of a rollercoaster.
Maybe not today, maybe not Tom, but someday you should try to make the switch. It's going to suck, but its better then going cold turkey.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: danielx]
#22547337 - 11/19/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly I just don't tolerate kratom. Makes me way too sick. I've tried.
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I'm starting to notice the same of myself. Unfortunate because I've tolerated all day every day kratom use for almost a year and it's finally starting to turn on me.
Who even sells subs on the street? People who have a script for it but use heroin instead? That would honestly not be a bad way to scrape up a bit of extra heroin money
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moonrockmushy
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I would say a significant percent of people on subs sell them, either for cash or to fund their habit. If you can get 3x8mg/day scripted and have health ins cover dr visit and fill the Rx, that's $30/day which isn't that much, but it's easy money.
Funny because I tried to do it honest and didn't sell any, tapered down real low, and ended up getting kicked off for supposedly selling them anyway because of a drug test that came back negative for bupe metabolites. I would discourage anyone from being honest with their sub Dr.s as they're fucking scammers themselves most of them, milk it for all it's worth even if you're not selling them because you never know when they'll drop you.
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I'm not feeling as bad yet today as I did yesterday. I'm gonna just stick it out from here and get this over with. Can't really take anymore pills out of that bottle, it's already going to be noticed I think.
I just wish I could think straight. I can deal with feeling like this. I just feel so slow and retarded. It's so hard to think.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Rustifer]
#22548101 - 11/19/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stealing medicine, eh? Wish I could give you shit, but I've been there unfortunately. Gotta cut that shit out though, it's fiendish.
I'm worried I'm back where I was a week ago. I don't think I can do that again. The mindfuck is definitely the worst. Weeks of it too. I was pretty much over all the chills and physical shit, but the insomnia and screwed up head got to me.
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yeah yeah yeah. I know.
They keep a bottle of trammies right next to where the charger for the vap batteries is. And I simply can't be that close to a pill bottle and not take a look at what's in it. It's a curse. I'd have 16 days clean right now if I wouldn't have done that.
The insomnia is what always gets to me too. I can deal with everything else, but I love sleeping. There's nothing better than being unconscious. I think that's a sign of severe depression.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Rustifer]
#22548171 - 11/19/15 06:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get out in the sun, brother!
I went hiking today and set my sights for twice as much as I could take. Halfway through my first pass I wanted to throw in the towel. Finished my loop and told myself if I didn't do the rest I'd regret it.
Now I've got a stash of mush I wouldn't have found, I'm tired, soaking in a nice warm bath with some kratom and weed. That will make the day go by! Getting back into myco has saved me. Exercise the mind and body and sleep shall come. I know that feeling too well.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Adden]
#22548190 - 11/19/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had actually run a little bit my last day I was clean fuck I was almost there.
I got like a week of no sleep to look forward to, then maybe 2 weeks of a couple hours per night, then a month or two of fitful sleep with horrible nightmares and dreams where I score dope so I can wake up fiending for it, maybe I'll get a good nights sleep by springtime
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I don't think what you did is going to completely reset your w/ds.
But I really do need to heed that advice dys. All I've been doing for 2 weeks is sitting on my ass playing on the computer. It's not helping things at all.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Rustifer]
#22548272 - 11/19/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Staying sedentary and comfortable in a dark room doing nothing breeds and feeds addiction. =/
And yeah Moonie, you might have 2 days of crummy, but you don't have to start all over again.
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