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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22537553 - 11/17/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: I'm still sure Kratom is more physically benign then opiates.
Ill admit im not too educated on the subject.
I read a user report where a young man made marijuana brownies but left the whole pieces of weed in the brownies and it caused severe problems with his intestines or stomach leading to hospitalization.
The reason was because we arent supposed to eat certain plants raw like that and i just assumed that maybe thats why kratom made me nauseous sometimes.
Ive been consuming it for too long though and i guess id have noticed a severe reaction by now.
In doses under twenty gram the nausea is non-existant for me so im gonna go ahead and agree that its probably safe but would like to know more about plant consumption.
Obviously we can eat sald and stuff but not all plants are considered edible so who knows where kratom falls. its long history of use tells me its probably safe to eat.
Feeling fine physically today but more importantly i feel happy mentally so im gonna try and be productive. Definitely no dope in my plans today and hopefully i dont kick.
Got a tiny bit of cash to hopefully buy a bud to smoke away any discomfort.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Apostle]
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Yeah, I don't believe that kratom is totally benign to the GI tract. I started using kratom heavily this year, consequently I've started getting horrible stomach problems for the first time in my life. It's hard not to acknowledge that there might be a connection, especially since I've read reports of similar experiences.
Still doesn't make it any easier for me to quit kratom. I don't know why I struggle so much with this.
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Ive used kratom more this year than ever before in my life which has been daily for almost the last 4 months with short breaks that lasted under 2 weeks at a time
I have been takings doses ranging from 5 to 14g a time with the majority of doses being 8-12g which I prefer to mix in to a Naked fruit smoothie and chug on an empty stomach
Most of the time I only do kratom once a day in the earlier afternoon, only a few times have I redosed this year
I havent noticed any withdrawl effects at all when I take breaks but It may be masked by the fact that I am using other drugs
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The difference, I believe, is that in the past people weren't grinding it up into powder and swallowing it, they were chewing it. And don't kid yourselves, guys, for all intents and purposes Kratom IS an opiate. If you take high doses, you WILL get constipated and endogenous endorphin production WILL downregulate.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Connoisseur]
#22537637 - 11/17/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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could be. i feel like drug rotation is very effective at keeping from getting sick.
It was alot easier back in HS when i could get a bunch of different drugs.
now its dope weed or alcohol and i wont resort to alcohol cause thats just too destructive and the high isnt worth it.Quote:
morrowasted said: The difference, I believe, is that in the past people weren't grinding it up into powder and swallowing it, they were chewing it. And don't kid yourselves, guys, for all intents and purposes Kratom IS an opiate. If you take high doses, you WILL get constipated and endogenous endorphin production WILL downregulate.
I was under the impression that opiate has to originate from the opium poppy.
Are you sure you dont mean opiod?
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Apostle]
#22537658 - 11/17/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Opiates or opiate drugs originate from naturally-occurring alkaloids found in the opium poppy plant.
Kratom is NOT an opiate.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Apostle]
#22537687 - 11/17/15 01:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kratom does contain chemicals that are classified as opiods as they act on the μ-opioid receptor but the amount of active alkaloids in kratom is relatively small when compared with the amounts of active alkaloids in poppy plants
I have never felt the need to use upwards of 14g of kratom a day and dont think I ever will but who knows, pods or seeds on the other hand I could do until I nodded and couldnt do more
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Connoisseur]
#22537696 - 11/17/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea i said it was probably an opiod. Or at least the active chemicals.
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Technically speaking, not all opioid drugs are opiates, but all opiates are opioids. For example, heroin and morphine qualify as opiates and opioids, whereas Demerol and Percocet only qualify as opioids.
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hex_enduction said: Yeah, I don't believe that kratom is totally benign to the GI tract. I started using kratom heavily this year, consequently I've started getting horrible stomach problems for the first time in my life. It's hard not to acknowledge that there might be a connection, especially since I've read reports of similar experiences.
Still doesn't make it any easier for me to quit kratom. I don't know why I struggle so much with this.
I get kratom farts so bad. They're very distinct in smell. I hate it. Regardless of my diet (bad food, healthy food, no food), I still get them. My wife takes them for pain and she'd get them but women don't... well, you know the rest.
Nothing like your gut being full of plant matter then getting a gag reflex. I've got an iron gut and can eat raw or dried cactus to trip, then eat more while tripping.
Once I get that little vomit burp with kratom, it's game over for the rest of what I've eaten.
5HTP and melatonin have helped me sleep and help me sleep longer, but if I miss a kratom dose it feels like I'm on day 10 all over again.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Adden]
#22537893 - 11/17/15 02:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't noticed that at all personally 
I find it much easier to eat kratom than cactus. Drank some san pedro tea for the first time last month, was the most vile beverage I've had the pleasure of consuming.
Bummed that I'm slowly coming to the realization that I'm either going to have to give up kratom for good or end up with a fucked up stomach for life 
Odd that so many threads about addiction/opiates ultimately derail and the topic of discussion shifts to the many nuances of kratom use
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Because it works so damn well.
I couldn't have kicked without weed, psychs, and kratom.
One thing I hate about this is one day I'll feel so alive, go out hiking, partying a bit and doing things I've ignored. Other days I feel like the saddest most useless piece of a fat fuck that ever existed. Granted I'm big but far from obese. All my PTSD is knocking at the door, I'm rapid cycling bipolar worse than when I was undiagnosed and unmedicated.
It's like I have these peak spiritual experiences, and not long after I'm thinking what the fuck am I doing? Former opiate addict still using drugs? So I'm not even sober but I've come this far. I've just gotta give myself some credit every once in awhile.
These drugs turned me into a horrible person for 1/6th of my life. Anyone who's been here awhile knows I'm not the most mentally sound, but I can't even revisit those posts without wanting to cry.
All the shit I've given people. All the hate. The drama. Basically spitting in mods faces. In a way I wish I got a 2 year ban but I'd never be clean.
I don't know. Maybe I'm over thinking it. Maybe I just need more time. I feel lost yet found, home but a stranger, vulnerable, my self worth and self respect have improved immensely thanks to psychedelics but you can tell I'm still far. I've spent way too much of my life hating good people for no good reason. I make myself sick.
This isn't easy. I hope this thread serves as a testament to the kids reading it.. don't fuck with these drugs, please. They will take it all away as the time passes, and it passes quick. It's almost as if it never happened but I am suffering all the consequences.
I'm trying to be a better person. Getting back into hobbies, not screwing around on this forum, complimenting people, greeting strangers with a smile. I know this isn't an overnight healing process and it will stay with me the rest of my life.
I don't know. I guess all I want when I die is at least one person to say "he did the best he could with what he had and where he was". I'm not suicidal so please don't take that the wrong way, but I can't help but fixate on where and how in the world it went so wrong.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Adden] 1
#22538210 - 11/17/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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so much of that post was relatable to me. You know you've got my respect and that of many others, I'm sure.
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I hope you feel less alone. I do. Thank you.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: morrowasted] 1
#22540754 - 11/18/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: The difference, I believe, is that in the past people weren't grinding it up into powder and swallowing it, they were chewing it. And don't kid yourselves, guys, for all intents and purposes Kratom IS an opiate. If you take high doses, you WILL get constipated and endogenous endorphin production WILL downregulate.
This (just the part about the constipation) is absolutely, completely ass backwards wrong-
Kratom for me makes me extremely regular. it dramatically IMPROVES my bowel function. Its has NEVER after years of daily all day dosing given me constipaton- on the contrary, first thing EVERY morning at exactly the same time I take a massive shit, which is very obviously the direct result of my kratom consumption, most likely the fiber in it.
Yes, your enodegenous endorphin production will probably down regulate.
No, it will NOT necessarily make you constipated- I have heard people report this, but for me it has always been the OPPOSITE- kratom is the greatest digestive aid and source of fecal regularity, bulk and laxative I have ever used.
Regular, healthy shits is one of the main benefits of kratom for me.
As for those of you who like me had been doing kratom daily for a long time and noticed no withdrawals- stop dosing daily now, because eventually you WILL start getting withdrawals. but it can take an amazingly long time, depending on the individual, sometimes even after a full year of daily dosing you wont get any significant withdrawal, but if you persist in using daily you EVENTUALLY WILL!
SO take the advice I never did- use it every second day, not every day, because even though daily kratom dosing is the best thing ever for me in terms of depression etc, I would love it if I was not physically dependent, but if you use it daily you will eventually be.
That said kratom will always take longer to become addicted to, and have a much less intense withdrawal then, real opiates/opiods, and will always be safer and healthier to use then stuff like heroin, oxycontin or opium.
Kratom is a very different beast then other opiates and should not be lumped in to the same category- the differences are PROFOUND, and the outcomes for users could not be more different.
Kratom is safe. It has an extremely long history of human use and its not dangerous.
It is addictive, but less so.
Thousands of people die each year from opiates. Zero, or damn near zero, die from kratom.
Kratom addiction can be a moderate to serious annoyance. Opiate addiction can be a living hell.
Kratom addicts can live totally normal, healthy, well adjusted, well balanced lives.
Opiate addicts- very rarely avoid major personal crises and horrible life outcomes.
If you are addicted to opiates, switching to kratom is a great idea.
If you are not addicted to opiates, becoming addicted to kratom is a bad idea.
That said, kratom has saved me from alcoholism , from benzo addiction, and from relying on pharmaceutical antidepressants.
It has transformed my life and improved it in all ways but one.
It has cured my depression, cured my anxiety, enhanced my fitness levels, improved my bowl function, lifted my mood, made me more social, curbed my drinking, replaced all other harmful drugs I ever used, and is basically the best thing that ever happened to me
EXCEPT
I am addicted to it and cant sleep without it. So just dont use it every day folks, even every two days and you will never have any problems with withdrawal.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Moonshoe]
#22540869 - 11/18/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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+1, can't argue with a thing you said.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: Connoisseur]
#22541294 - 11/18/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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LOL Moonshoe that was a long rant just to essentially say "my experience disagrees with what you're saying." You probably don't take very high doses. If you take a high enough dose of any opiate, you will get constipated. It's physiology. I used to take 30-40 grams of kratom a day for a week at a time and I wouldn't shit at all, ever, until 3 days after I stopped taking it. And like I said, Kratom has a "long history of use", but it was used in a different way than we're using it now. Also, lots of shit has a long history of use. Like nightshade/datura. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to use it. In any case, I can certainly agree that being addicted to Kratom is better than being addicted to oxycontin or heroin, but I would rather not be addicted to any of them.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: morrowasted]
#22541300 - 11/18/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is strictly an assumption but I think use of the poppy goes back farther in history than use of kratom
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: morrowasted]
#22541304 - 11/18/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get clean off opes with kratom -> get clean off Kratom with weed and exercise. Almost there boys, down to 3 doses of 4 capsules a day on my off days when I don't hurt. 4 doses a day with strenuous exercise. It sure does help.
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Re: Where are all the addicts? [Re: morrowasted]
#22541527 - 11/18/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude I take huge doses all day long.
You are straight up wrong- it doesn't cause me constipation.
Maybe its opiate qualities would theoretically contribute to contribution, but in practice its fiber content or whatever it is keeps me extremely regular.
I am one of the heaviest, most long term kratom users you will find, and I have never once been constipated from kratom, nor have I ever been more regular with my shits then since I started using (large) doses of kratom daily.
I take the same amount of kratom you describe using and poop first thing every morning. I call them "kratom shits" they come fast and hard and huge and awesome and I love it.
Not sure why some people get constipated from it but I am just telling you not everyone does, and for some like me it does the opposite.
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