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bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes
#22472321 - 11/03/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok this is my first attempt at pf tek shroom work i thought all was going al long fine in my fc until today i came home from work and checked my babies and discovered lots of bright white fuzz growing on my verm .my cakes are sitting on a wire shelf about 1 inch above the perlite my RH is at 94% to 98% I've been misting about twice a day also and fanning twice a day also i have a fish air pump with water and these brown rock things and cotton in a jar pumping into my fc .is there any thing else i should be doing to prevent this fuzz or is it normal i cant find any good info any where i know someone in here can help .please ease my mind or give me the bad news fast im buggin out ,thanks sorry i have no pic but its fuzzy bright white and it growing in little bumps or clumps almost round .I've seen cobweb pics and its nothing like that
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22472335 - 11/03/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like it is colonizing the Verm. ..pretty normal.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: LocN9ne]
#22472376 - 11/03/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd ditch the air pump stuff.
if its a good fruiting chamber you don't need a pump, it's just a vector for contams IMO
Edited by impatientguy (11/03/15 05:58 PM)
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: impatientguy]
#22472469 - 11/03/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd ditch the air pump stuff.
if its a good fruiting chamber you don't need a pump, it's just a vector for contams IMO
How is an air pump any more risk of a contamination issue? Fruiting is not a sterile process, if the cake was fully colonized, contamination should no longer be an issue.
Although I do agree with the fruiting chamber, can't get any better than a properly made SGFC for fruiting cakes. 1/4'' Holes every 2 inches in a grid style pattern, on all 6 sides of a clear plastic tote. 4-5 inches of damp perlite, then elevate your FC a few inches to provide proper airflow.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22472760 - 11/03/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i would have made a sgfc but as i stated this is my first attempt and before i even heard of this forum or pf tek for that matter i was just following the grow kits (mid west mega grow kit with 6 extra jars ) instructions and using what they called a fc which i still use because i dont think it would be wise to build a sgfc now when im so close to my first flush (i hope) but i will next grow
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22472784 - 11/03/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I was almost tempted to buy that kit from midwest. Thankfully, I found the shroomery first and wised up a bit. Spending 100+ on those supplies is silly when you can get a good grow going for a fraction of the price.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22472861 - 11/03/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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if i only did the amount of research I've done since getting the mid overpriced oops i mean the mid west grow kit i would have been far better off and i40 bucks richer too
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22472865 - 11/03/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22472962 - 11/03/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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iSmkGrnBud said:
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impatientguy said:

I'd ditch the air pump stuff.
if its a good fruiting chamber you don't need a pump, it's just a vector for contams IMO
How is an air pump any more risk of a contamination issue? Fruiting is not a sterile process, if the cake was fully colonized, contamination should no longer be an issue.
True but they also tend to fuck up the the way the SGFC works. And if you read my post all I said was it is a vector for contams as in it can harbor some spores or possibly bacteria. There's just no need for it.
I know fruiting isn't a sterile time for the mycelium.
The main point of that post was me saying get a SGFC and ditch the pump lol was I wrong? No
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22472978 - 11/03/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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but seriously speaking just looked at the cakes in question again and i belive i might be ok the white fuzz is actually looking "organized" its almost as if it could be the beginning of pins maybe is that possible ? cause my opinion is not really trusted by me
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22472981 - 11/03/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: LocN9ne]
#22472998 - 11/03/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22473122 - 11/03/15 08:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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as soon as i can get my dumb ass "SMART"phone do send the picks to my email ill have them up your both right and i guess you cant read minds like i can so i apologize for the delay in pics but ill get them up as possible
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22473191 - 11/03/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22473245 - 11/03/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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scrimm35 said: as soon as i can get my dumb ass "SMART"phone do send the picks to my email ill have them up your both right and i guess you cant read minds like i can so i apologize for the delay in pics but ill get them up as possible
Click "pics"...click "upload"...click "choose file"...click "documents"...click "gallery"...choose photo(s)...click upload...copy and past code into post.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: LocN9ne]
#22473417 - 11/03/15 09:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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okay here is the pic any advice
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22473434 - 11/03/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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sorry crappy ass pic but i hope it gets the point across
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22473481 - 11/03/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22473484 - 11/03/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Might be the early stages of trichoderma or it might be normal. Hard to tell with that pic lol
Edit:Kinda looks like trichoderma to me
Edited by impatientguy (11/03/15 09:24 PM)
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: impatientguy]
#22473490 - 11/03/15 09:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the myc colonizes the Verm when it wasn't allowed to consolidate long enough before birthing... one week is minimum, but like pasty said two weeks is probably better.
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Edited by LocN9ne (11/03/15 09:25 PM)
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: LocN9ne]
#22478425 - 11/04/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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just go a surprise ,checking my jars and found the most beutiful sight
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22478431 - 11/04/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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now my question tonight is do i still dunk and roll this?
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22478440 - 11/04/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You sure do.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22478441 - 11/04/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, dunk and roll as usual
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22478455 - 11/04/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What about the big ass squished shroom (pin)in there it stays on ? or do i pick it off
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22478461 - 11/04/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Leave it. It'll continue to mature when you introduce it to fruiting conditions.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22478476 - 11/04/15 09:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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so let me be sure i got this d and r as usual leave the immature fruit on during d and r and it will continue to grow afterwards .yes
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: scrimm35]
#22478495 - 11/04/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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thanks
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22478867 - 11/04/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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iSmkGrnBud said:
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impatientguy said:

I'd ditch the air pump stuff.
if its a good fruiting chamber you don't need a pump, it's just a vector for contams IMO
How is an air pump any more risk of a contamination issue? Fruiting is not a sterile process, if the cake was fully colonized, contamination should no longer be an issue.
Just throwing this out there, impatient is right. But for the same reasons why sgfcs are better. Becuse constant naturally aspirated airflow is best! Air exchange will keep ALL contams down. Even trich and cobweb when you throw it outside into a contam pile.
In a low fae chamber you get all kinds of contamination problems. Botching on caps, bacteria in the substrate, vert thrives, and the evil green shit. Ironically exposing them to more contams and air, makes them have less contams haha (when in fruiting)
Edited by Mad Season (11/04/15 11:08 PM)
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: Mad Season]
#22479638 - 11/05/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mad Season said:
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iSmkGrnBud said:
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impatientguy said:

I'd ditch the air pump stuff.
if its a good fruiting chamber you don't need a pump, it's just a vector for contams IMO
How is an air pump any more risk of a contamination issue? Fruiting is not a sterile process, if the cake was fully colonized, contamination should no longer be an issue.
Just throwing this out there, impatient is right. But for the same reasons why sgfcs are better. Becuse constant naturally aspirated airflow is best! Air exchange will keep ALL contams down. Even trich and cobweb when you throw it outside into a contam pile.
In a low fae chamber you get all kinds of contamination problems. Botching on caps, bacteria in the substrate, vert thrives, and the evil green shit. Ironically exposing them to more contams and air, makes them have less contams haha (when in fruiting)
Then it's the fruiting chambers problem airflow problem, not the humidifier, right? I'm not disagreeing with you at all, adding a mister to a fruiting chamber is bad news and will bring in nasty contams IF you don't know what you're doing. But if you DO know what you're doing, for instance a well built martha, then its not the humidifier being the vector. It still rest on the fact that someone doesn't understand how to dial in the air currents to provide proper FAE.
Like I said I'm not disagreeing with you, but I don't think you can solely blame the item being the vector when it's just shoddy craftsmanship in the first place. But this is why we steer everyone to the SGFC, so that no one has to worry about how well they can build a fruiting chamber, nor worry about bring in contaminants due to shitty airflow. But at the same time, some of the best producing grows I've seen are from humidifiers and coolmist in marthas or GH's, granted, they're built and dialed in perfectly, but absolutely zero contams.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22479734 - 11/05/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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But no one should use an air pump on a gh. Those are cool mist humidifiers and wicks.. And unless it's a walk in tent, it's still getting the fae from the openings in the GH. Not the pump or humidifiers(the same point you made). They just help at moving air around such a big chamber.
Tubs, which are smaller and should be easier to exchange air (so easily in fact, you dont need any of that shit) still don't get any airflow when you rely on a pump.
My point was that relying on a pump or humidifier for airflow will increase chances of contaminations. Ghs rely on opening the flaps, or in the case of my walk in, a fan at the entrance. While I do agree about fae, and it's not the humidifiers fault.. A GH is no different than any other chamber. Just make more air holes/open the flaps more if you need more, and that's the understanding of fae.
Asking/using an air pump for fae shows he knows very little about it, and unless he adds holes (makes a $5 sgfc.. Hint hint op) he can see contams MUCH easier. 94-98% rh sounds like bacteria haven. I like it more like 55-80% rh.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: Mad Season]
#22480759 - 11/05/15 11:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: But no one should use an air pump on a gh. Those are cool mist humidifiers and wicks.. And unless it's a walk in tent, it's still getting the fae from the openings in the GH. Not the pump or humidifiers(the same point you made). They just help at moving air around such a big chamber.
Tubs, which are smaller and should be easier to exchange air (so easily in fact, you dont need any of that shit) still don't get any airflow when you rely on a pump.
My point was that relying on a pump or humidifier for airflow will increase chances of contaminations. Ghs rely on opening the flaps, or in the case of my walk in, a fan at the entrance. While I do agree about fae, and it's not the humidifiers fault.. A GH is no different than any other chamber. Just make more air holes/open the flaps more if you need more, and that's the understanding of fae.
Asking/using an air pump for fae shows he knows very little about it, and unless he adds holes (makes a $5 sgfc.. Hint hint op) he can see contams MUCH easier. 94-98% rh sounds like bacteria haven. I like it more like 55-80% rh.
Spot on. I know the simple and easiest reason is that people aren't sure exactly whats going on so anything not a SGFC is setting up room for failure. Especially in something like a tub fruiting chamber. You guys are absolutely right, I wasn't thinking about the application and rather only about the item.
I have never personally worked with a GH so I don't know too much about them, I just know using peripheral accessories like air pumps and humidifiers give people amazing results. I want to build one in the future, how do you fancy yours Mad?
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22481151 - 11/05/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The walk in is still in blueprints but it's awesome AF. Aside from the shelving, it'll cost me under $80 (maybe less depending on the price I can get for PVC) to make the whole thing. It won't have any humidifiers either. Just a cool mist spray to act as a misting. I've been busy moving my mother in laws shit out... She got kicked out for being a horder... So you can guess what's happening there
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: Mad Season]
#22482024 - 11/05/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: The walk in is still in blueprints but it's awesome AF. Aside from the shelving, it'll cost me under $80 (maybe less depending on the price I can get for PVC) to make the whole thing. It won't have any humidifiers either. Just a cool mist spray to act as a misting. I've been busy moving my mother in laws shit out... She got kicked out for being a horder... So you can guess what's happening there 
Nice I'd love to see some pics when it's all done. I'm guessing if you go with a cool mist, it'll be pretty much 100% automated? As long as you go with a timer switch for your lights obviously.
I feel your pain man. Hopefully it'll go pretty smoothly. I've seen some rough stuff before from a hoarder. Didn't help he was a tweaker also lol.
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Re: bright white fuzz on my dunked and rolled cakes [Re: iSmkGrnBud]
#22482372 - 11/05/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok ok ok i am new at this (noobie) i came here for advise and received it ,lots of it ,great stuff,i have done tons of research, and still am,every day trying to hone my techniques, and this forum has been a godsend to me. that being said here's my query for tonight .
1--is it safe to drill holes in my fc while im actively trying to fruit cakes?
2--if and when i drill them should i then scrap the whole hydroton setup ?
3--and one other thing should i wait to see in-vitro pinning/fruiting before i birth the other 19 cakes i have consolidating now?
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