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fishtaco
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help ID Browine west coast
#22471044 - 11/03/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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hollow stem, dry change , blackish print

 

 Panaeolus?
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: fishtaco]
#22471076 - 11/03/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Panaeolina foenisecii seems plausible.
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: fishtaco]
#22471081 - 11/03/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Panaeolus foenisecii
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maynardjameskeenan said: Panaeolus foenisecii
I have noticed quite a few of the TIs on here refer to them as Panaeolus. I thought it was the type species in Panaeolina?
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maynardjameskeenan said: Panaeolus foenisecii
It's interesting that these don't contain psiloc(yb)in and instead 5-HTP, serotonin and a serotonin metabolite (5-HIAA).
I wonder if people take them to trip and just feel better about things from the serotonin and think they had a weak trip.
There must be a *few* with trace levels somewhere? Or do people who trip off these have misidentified something else?
I love this species, it's the "feelsgoodman" of psilo/pan.
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: Adden]
#22471324 - 11/03/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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here i found some more  dark-brown/black spore prints
Panaeolina foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) R. Maire (Haymakers).
Agaricus foenisecii Pers.:Fr., Syst. Mycol. 1:295 (1821). Psilocybe foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Quelet, Champ. Jura. Vosges 1:47 (1872). Drosophila foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Quelet, Enchiridion:117 (1886). Psathyra foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Bert, Bull. Soc. Mycol. Fr. 17:227 (1901). Panaeolus foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) Kuhner. Botaniste 17:187 (1926). Panaeolina foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) R. Maire, Treb. Mus. Cienc. Nat. Barcel. ser. Bot. 15:109 (1933). Psathyrella foenisecii (Pers.:Fr.) A. H. Smith, Mem. NY Bot. Gdn. 24:32 (1972)
don't plan on eating them , i just like to take photos and ID
its interesting that collections of Panaeolina foenisecii contain characteristic compounds serotonin and its precursor 5?hydroxytryptophan. Although tryptophan might also present, there is definitely no psilocybin or psilocin,. its possible this could be taken as a anti depression medication but not psychoactive,
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: fishtaco] 1
#22471393 - 11/03/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think they are worth consuming, for any reason.
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: elprawn]
#22471447 - 11/03/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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They're not worth consuming to me, but would be interesting to see the pharmacological applications or biological evolution to not have psilo in them (e.g., gilled mushrooms that don't drop spores through them, convergent evolution etc).
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: Adden]
#22472090 - 11/03/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's interesting that they contain 5-HTP, etc. Just trace amounts or lots? When I did MDMA a decade and a half ago, a couple times I remember consuming 5-HTP prior to the E to great effect. One, I wonder if 5-HTP would affect a mushroom trip, and two, if so, I wonder if it could be perhaps "nature's intention" that foenisecii be eaten alongside Psilocybes.
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: elprawn] 2
#22472127 - 11/03/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It just comes down to whether you accept Panaeolina as a genus or as a subgenus within Panaeolus. There has never been consensus, though Panaeolus absolutely appears to be monohpyletic taken with Panaeolina and Copelandia.
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: DavidReishi]
#22472248 - 11/03/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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DavidReishi said: That's interesting that they contain 5-HTP, etc. Just trace amounts or lots? When I did MDMA a decade and a half ago, a couple times I remember consuming 5-HTP prior to the E to great effect. One, I wonder if 5-HTP would affect a mushroom trip, and two, if so, I wonder if it could be perhaps "nature's intention" that foenisecii be eaten alongside Psilocybes.
That was my first thought when scouring the web.
Don't forget too that serotonin and its metabolite are in there too. I wonder how it effects mood in a depressed person, and if so, could use as either a potentiator (psiloc(yb)in tickles those).
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: Adden]
#22474026 - 11/03/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Admittedly the connection is very loose, but in one 2015 study researchers found that upon consuming dietary serotonin, healthy adults formed a temporary serum spike of something called 5-HIAA.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25249663/
Whereas in an unrelated 2014 study, researchers found or confirmed that 5-HIAA is one of those compounds greatly affected in depressed suicide subjects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3872491/
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: DavidReishi]
#22474182 - 11/04/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe eat Pan Foes to stabilize then advance to psylo for life.
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I discussed this with my wife and she brought up a good point. The weather in which the mushroom grows is "dreary" and "depressing". I mean, look at the mushroom, it looks like it wants you to eat it and looks like other ones you eat in ceremonies. You know, even staying that, I bet both have been used hand in hand and would love to know if there's any history of medicinal use. I wouldn't even know how to access those types of resources.
If 5htp is in it to potentially potentiate the serotonin and it's metabolite, then yes maybe 5 htp may have something to do with enhancing a trip, I can't say I have great background with neuro chemistry so I dunno.
Take enough 5-HTP and you'll feel buzzed, or tired if you're already tired, and enhances mood during doldrums. It's very common in Minnesota for people to take it because of the September through May winters, never knew what it was until I moved there. I guess it'd make sense for a fungus here, then, to naturally have a similar substance since it seems nature likes to throw mushrooms at us that do amazing things to our brains.
Edit: oopsie
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Re: help ID Browine west coast [Re: Adden]
#22474315 - 11/04/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your wife is right. As far as history goes, uh yeah. Lots of resources for that exist. Even today a couple Universities and John Hopkins cancer Institute study psilocybin for mental health.
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