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Sleep paralysis trip ?
    #22470673 - 11/03/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hello,
This is my first post on this site and I do so because I need to understand something that happened to me last night.
It isn't substances related but after some research I found nothing like what I experienced and this site seemed a good place to ask questions, I hope I'm not wrong.
But anyway heres the thing :

Last night I was listening to some music in bed, and in the middle of a song I fell asleep for something like 25 sec. When I woke up I fell sore and wasn't really feeling my body, I didn't try to move or open my eyes (so far nothing out of the ordinary).
But a few seconds later it felt like the music was enveloping me and I started to feel really strange (like floating, or millions of bugs crawling on your skin) and I started seeing weird geometric and colored "spiral" and animal shaped heads passing through me.
It was something really close to a dream but I knew that I wasn't dreaming because the music was still playing and I couldn't control anything like in a lucid dream.
It felt so intense that I didn't try to move or open my eyes, just slightly opened my mouth to breath, It was fascinating, especially with the music.
If I decided to talk about it here it's that it was really different from anything that I have ever experienced in my life, and felt like what I imagine is a trip (don't end me for guessing on this one).

I had heard about sleep paralysis before, but I don't know if it was what happened to me because I didn't try to move or open my eyes, so I don't know if I was unable to do so or if there was any hallucinations going on in the room. It died out after maybe two minutes.

I would want to know if the brain produce a chemical that is capable of doing this or if it is actually sleep paralysis, because what I saw was very different from what I read about this condition.
And also, is it possible to experience it again or is it a random thing ?

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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22470725 - 11/03/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, it's essentially the neuroprotein the brain releases to keep you from acting out your dreams. What typically happens is you lose consciousness prior or during this release. With sleep paralysis you stay "awake" or conscious while your body goes under. When it happens to me it is like I'm floating into a blissful void and the tingling sensation is the disconnection from my body, it's very euphoric.
I use to embrace going into sleep paralysis but ever since my encounter with 'The Fear', shadow people, and the old hag I fight it as soon as I feel it taking me. I keep my eyes closed but I can still hear them laughing and talking, and I focus on trying to move my finger to get out of it.
It's very real, can be induced, but if youre like me it just takes you even during a nap. The parlysis is from whatever protein or peptide is released, the trip I believe is the natural rise in Theta waves your brain produces.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #22470845 - 11/03/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

You can also wake up into a sleep paralysis state if you wake up during REM sleep.  It happens to me all the time and is freaky as fuck because I usually see aliens climbing into my window.  Being paralyzed and unable to make a sound is the worst part.  Then I just snap out of it and everything is normal.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22470929 - 11/03/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

There are a few times when I have woken up after a dream and I see the same visuals that I get from psychedelics for a minute or so. I always wondered if it was the endogenous dmt in our brains. Anyway, these experiences are very similar to what you described. And, to me, it feels exactly like a psychedelic experience.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22471257 - 11/03/15 02:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yes your pineal gland produces DMT, in low quantities, so i think you experimented a natural trip thanks due your natural DMT, i have never experimented that in a natural way tho.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22471310 - 11/03/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for being that fast :eek:

I eventually feared that the hallucination that I read about were true.
I want to try it again but I remember thinking about those during my experience and I don't really want to find out what mines look like.
Maybe not opening your eyes and focusing on the music helps ?
I already had some kind of fast trip after waking up from a dream but not that intense.

But anyway I "experimented a natural trip thanks due my natural DMT", and that's awesome.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22471435 - 11/03/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My father told me to embrace the fear to get to the other side.
Asante may say the same, but it's so real I've had near-death encounters less scarier than sleep paralysis. Although Sleep paralysis only gives you PTSD for a night unlike near-death experiences


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22471569 - 11/03/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

OP, hallucinations are part of sleep paralysis.  Nightmares often involve wanting to move but being unable to.

IIRC the center of the brain that's responsible for converting voluntary muscle desire into action is suppressed (but not always perfectly, if you've seen a dog or cat in REM sleep their whiskers and paws can be quite active).  But there's been some research...

This is a neurotransmitter effect for nerve receptors in the voluntary muscles, involving both glycine (an amino acid) and gamma-aminobutyric acid (a neurotransmitter):

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Exactly how the muscles are paralyzed has been a mystery, however. Early studies pegged a neurotransmitter called glycine as the culprit, but paralysis still occurred even when the receptors that read glycine's presence were blocked, disproving that notion.

So University of Toronto researchers Patricia Brooks and John Peever cast a wider net. They focused on two different nerve receptors in the voluntary muscles, one called metabotropic GABAB and one called ionotropic GABAA/glycine. The latter receptor responds to both glycine and a different communication chemical called gamma-aminobutyric acid, or GABA, while the first responds to GABA and not glycine.

The researchers used drugs to "switch off" these receptors in rats and discovered that the only way to prevent sleep paralysis during REM was to shut both types off at the same time. What that means is that glycine alone isn't enough to paralyze the muscles. You need GABA, too.




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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #22471599 - 11/03/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think it takes some pretty big balls to embrace The Fear in this case.
But if it doesn't give you a kind PTSD than it's ok, I guess.

Apart from the fact that you are living a nightmare totally powerless, does they say anything about rewarding (personal) for embracing your fear like that ? Is that supposed to be the other side ?


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #22471604 - 11/03/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Woah, I am learning way more on this thread than I thought


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22471630 - 11/03/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Walmals said:
I think it takes some pretty big balls to embrace The Fear in this case.
But if it doesn't give you a kind PTSD than it's ok, I guess.

Apart from the fact that you are living a nightmare totally powerless, does they say anything about rewarding (personal) for embracing your fear like that ? Is that supposed to be the other side ?




It only makes me not want to risk going back to sleep for the night, but ONLY when I open my eyes and see something. That's why I keep them closed.
Yeah when you embrace, accept it, become one with it. Apparently it can be very rewarding. It goes away, the impeding sense of doom just vanishes the bliss comes back, and you're able to Astral Project or OBE.  I've never been able to, but I've read about people who have.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #22471815 - 11/03/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've just done it again.
After something like 30min of relaxation the music just died out and then came back and I felt like floating in a void with a negative face (you know the face you look for 30sec and then look at a white wall and see it normal) turning and I felt like I was spinning.

I didn't try to open my eyes and everything went smoothly.
I don't know if it help but I put a pillow between my arms and my torso(arms on torso position) and just by thinking about what's between the two I don't feel them at all.

Awesome what your body can do


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22471836 - 11/03/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Walmals said:
I've just done it again.
After something like 30min of relaxation the music just died out and then came back and I felt like floating in a void with a negative face




That's exactly it! I've done it with my girl beside me.
What are you listening to?


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #22471946 - 11/03/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Happenedm to me when I was 15. I was laying in bed mid afternoon watching locked up abroad. I dozed off but woke up and couldn't move like I weighed a million pounds. I heard a faint scream until it became so loud it felt painful. As all this was happening I was seeing shadow people I felt where going to hurt me standing there.

Sounds crazy but I swear it happened. It scared the shit out of me.

If I wake up in the middle of the night I'll usually see honeycomb patterns on the wall. But I think that's from too much drugs.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22472255 - 11/03/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've had a similar experience when I was 16 - it is difficult to explain but I will try.

I was sleeping, facing the wall and in my dream I was in my school, outside my biology class but inside the room itself is completely black, it was a void. I entered the room and I could feel that I was dreaming and the experince itself was vivd.

As I entered the room, I could hear entities inside sitting down arranged in an unsual positon, they were all sitting in rows. I knew this somehow even though the whole room was a void but I could feel as if the fabric/texture of the experience and reality felt in the dream start to merge with reality of the 'real world' , these two worlds were merging in and out of each other.

Then it started to get more rapid, I felt incredible shaking and something was shaking me and then I awoke paralysed and I was still facing the wall and there was growling as if something was behind me shaking me.

Then eventually it stopped.

That is my:twocents:


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22472492 - 11/03/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Idk about Sleep Paralysis, but i do think DMT is accessible during dream activity at times.

Awhile back when i was taking Ayahuasca pretty regularly, i had a dream about Ayahuasca and next thing i know i'm being blasted with all sorts of colors and patterns, kinda felt like maybe a DMT flash, it only lasted like maybe 25 to 30 seconds before i woke up. It also felt like DMT too, and when i woke up i was like "holy crap! my body just released an endogenous DMT dump during sleep".

Another interesting thing to note, is that when i was 17 i had a precognitive vision during a dream one night about me being in the hospital, and 2 months later i was in the hospital and almost died from Salmonella Sepsis. Fast forward to last year (when i was 24), i had a precognitive vision while on Ayahuasca (using Acacia Confusa, Lemon Balm and purified Harmalas) about my dad's death, and two weeks later he ended up dying from MRSA/Pulmonary Embolism. But the space in which those two visions occurred, one in a dream, the other on Ayahuasca, was pretty much identical, so i do believe when i was 17 my body released DMT during a dream to cause that vision.

I do believe it's very possible for our body to produce higher amounts of DMT during certain occasions, and i believe it has multiple roles within the Human body... i just wish i could access my own endogenous DMT more often :smile:


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22472714 - 11/03/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

People can dream they're tripping, complete with most of the effects of a real trip.  DMT isn't necessary to explain dream states, but research about humans and endogenous DMT production is still a mixed bag.  :shrug:

The visions are interesting.  If you want to pursue those kinds of states there are any number of meditation practices that aim to unlock what amounts to the pineal gland (crown chakra). :thumbup:


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Walmals]
    #22473847 - 11/03/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've had sleep disturbances on and off for 30 years. Including sleep paralysis and a type of parasomnia event called "Exploding Head Syndrome".

My sleep disturbances always occur during the first few minutes of drifting off to sleep, and are usually accompanied by a frightening dream.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: BayerPhi]
    #22473905 - 11/03/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have a playlist that I will now use for it with some Pink Floyd, The Doors and later-days Beatles


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: Sabnock]
    #22473928 - 11/03/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This is also pretty close to what I heard about that but the visions are the most suprising.
It never happens to me after waking up from a dream.
I am not really into meditation or the plane existence as I read somewhere, but during this experience I must say that there is something unsettling during the actual mini-trip, like a presence or at least something watching, I'm sure my opinion on those kind of thing is changing with this.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #22473942 - 11/03/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Everytime i get stoned and take a nap I'll wake up and have decent visuals for 2-5 minutes. Literally everytime


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22474035 - 11/03/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

"The Nightmare", by Henry Fuseli (1781) is thought to be one of the classic depictions of sleep paralysis perceived as a demonic visitation.

       


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22474196 - 11/04/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah i suffer from  bit of sleep paralysis when im stressed. its not fun at all, i feel sick all through my body and i cant breath, sometimes this is even accompanied by auditory hallucinations or when i finally manage to open my eyes ill see someone in my room for a split second.  :uhoh:


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: sheptownboi]
    #22482307 - 11/05/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah i suffer from  bit of sleep paralysis when im stressed. its not fun at all, i feel sick all through my body and i cant breath, sometimes this is even accompanied by auditory hallucinations or when i finally manage to open my eyes ill see someone in my room for a split second.  :uhoh:




I also have auditory hallucinations during the event, as I struggle to wake myself up and open my eyes.

They say that stress and exhaustion can trigger sleep paralysis in those of us that deal with it.


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #22484195 - 11/06/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The Old Hag and other demonic figures are really damn frightening.

I don't want to sound like a nutcase, though it's probably too late for me on shroomery heh, but if you get sleep paralysis during the night, try to will the fear away and/or accept it as some kind of test, you will leave the body and enter a whole other vista of reality. Extremely bizarre, surely not explainable by neurology. Seems it is the 'other side'...


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Re: Sleep paralysis trip ? [Re: circastes]
    #22485124 - 11/06/15 09:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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The Old Hag and other demonic figures are really damn frightening.

I don't want to sound like a nutcase, though it's probably too late for me on shroomery heh, but if you get sleep paralysis during the night, try to will the fear away and/or accept it as some kind of test, you will leave the body and enter a whole other vista of reality. Extremely bizarre, surely not explainable by neurology. Seems it is the 'other side'...




I said that earlier, that's 2 anecdotes! Start believing people!


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