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Bayneling
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Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it.
#22469598 - 11/03/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have been afraid of the dark ever since I can remember, It tons less now though. But the anxiety comes back sometimes, fairly randomly, in varying degrees, but always when I'm more stressed out than usual. I fucking hate it, fed up. So I'm doing exposure therapy with the dark in these states and it is lessening the effects, slowly. This also is lessening my social anxiety as a result, I can't do exposure to social anxiety effectively though, it's not something silly like the dark where I have no reason to beat myself up, even though the source of fear is the same it's ridiculous. I'm 22 now.
I have only tried shrooms yet, about 5 times in the last year and a half, not very high doses, 3 were above 1 gram, 3g being my highest and last. It does help unfortunately only a little. I have not had a bad trip yet as well.
So my two questions are:
1.What psychedelic and dose will help me most in this regard?
2.(Most important, possibly exclusive) Seeing threads of people curing their anxiety through having terrifying trips - Should I be taking on the fear by the horns?
Add info: I have been to a clinic before in 2010 for evaluation, they couldn't find anything wrong with me, brain scan and all. I would say I was just-just a little too anxious to jump the hurdle of functionality at the time. I'm relatively good today, without meds. Living a healthy life style.
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: Bayneling]
#22469711 - 11/03/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psychedelics don't do anything. You have to do it yourself, and psychedelics can help you in that quest.
I don't know about your situation, but generally you should make set, settings and intention to have a nice talk with yourself while tripping. Being with close friends also sounds like a good idea, or maybe even be alone and learn to enjoy your solitude and feel self sufficient.
I guess boosting self esteem is important anyways, so go and do some exercise, read a book, work on yourself in any way you can. To me psychedelics create an aftereffect in which it's easy to create changes in my life. But in the end it is me who makes those changes. I say this out of my experiences in which I've quit smoking, started sleeping less, got myself out of a minor depression and started living more healthy and happy.
Also MDMA helped me get along with other people, but I am very careful not to abuse it.
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: Capt. Stern]
#22469809 - 11/03/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Capt. Stern said: Psychedelics don't do anything. You have to do it yourself, and psychedelics can help you in that quest.
I don't know about your situation, but generally you should make set, settings and intention to have a nice talk with yourself while tripping. Being with close friends also sounds like a good idea, or maybe even be alone and learn to enjoy your solitude and feel self sufficient.
I guess boosting self esteem is important anyways, so go and do some exercise, read a book, work on yourself in any way you can. To me psychedelics create an aftereffect in which it's easy to create changes in my life. But in the end it is me who makes those changes. I say this out of my experiences in which I've quit smoking, started sleeping less, got myself out of a minor depression and started living more healthy and happy.
Also MDMA helped me get along with other people, but I am very careful not to abuse it.
Good to hear! Thanks for the advice. I have not tripped alone yet. I'm thinking of doing a BIG dose this time (5g +) in nature, while my GF trip sits me. I love her more than anything, so my situation is not all bad. BUT (and relating to self-esteem issues) the classic, my dad was never there for me. The only problem with him is he has trouble feeling empathy, to this day. As do I - only when I get very anxious, I can't feel nearly as much and in these states there is nobody I want to talk to. So increased empathy is therefore the one thing I pursue in my life more than anything. I've thought about MDMA, mostly mescaline with a feeling that mescaline will help me the most. It does come highly recommended.
Sorry, I probably should have said this earlier
Edited by Bayneling (11/03/15 07:46 AM)
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: Bayneling]
#22470093 - 11/03/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drink liquor
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Bayneling
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: eehoo]
#22470278 - 11/03/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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"You often don't get the trip that you want, you get the trip that you need" I like this quote.
If anyone doesn't have any stories to tell about trips which they feel they needed then I have no problem with this thread getting closed
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: Bayneling]
#22470295 - 11/03/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trust me dude. Drink a shit load of liquor that is based from grain and maybe smoke some weed. Then sleep a lot
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: eehoo]
#22471407 - 11/03/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It can help by bringing your own issues to the surface and making you deal with them and accepting who you are. Age and more experience with tripping in general will both help you with anxiety. When I was young in my teens and early 20's I had terrible social anxiety and drank etc to deal with it. Now I actually don't really care what people think about me and a lot of that is due to age and tripping. You of coarse don't want people you like or care about thinking poorly of you, but if they do and you aren't being an awful person not much can be done and you should absolutely not be dwelling on it. Tripping is a great way to get out of your head and into your head and along with just getting older and gaining more life experience should help. Just try to be positive and quit worrying about how others perceive you. In the adult world if you aren't stinking rich general perceptions from strangers wont be instantly high unless you are amazing looking or outstandingly kind.
Anxiety very much does suck, but much of it is due to you over thinking things too much and it is a self created situation in many ways. Tripping and just staying as positive as possible should help, also weightlifting and fitness along with a good diet and active lifestyle will help tremendously from my own personal experiences. I am fairly social and out going now and I use to be an absolute introvert and have intense dislike for any and all social situations. I would be overly nervous with girls I liked etc. Now I generally tend not to care what others think as often times most others aren't really quality individuals that are filled with selflessness and constantly doing good for others. Tripping, exercise, maturing, and just changed perceptions of others and myself really helped my anxiety. I am still really afraid of heights and certain other things I have a few phobias, but it isn't large crowds or public places and things of that nature anymore. Helping others and random selfless acts of kindness to the homeless or just anyone goes a long way to helping your mind and spirit as well as building good character. Be sure to give that a try, it's quite rewarding, just never go seeking praise for any of the good deeds you've done for others as that totally invalidates them and turns them into a "look at how great I am" type of thing. Most of the people you help will be very grateful, some people are extremely ungrateful no matter what though and that's just unfortunate!
Please feel free to post about your experiences in this forum and you'll likely find many others here like yourself that have dealt with the same situations and overcome them, or are still currently battling with their anxiety issues. Anyways welcome to the forums and stay as upbeat and positive as you can in your daily life, you seem like a nice person so hang in there, the world desperately needs more nice people, regardless of that persons own personal anxiety or mindfuck issues they are needed!
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So much little detail about kust what this anxiety of yours is be needed to give any solid advice.
5g dose, take a bath and get into bed. Fall into that rabbit hole and get to it with your girl. Seriously, peace together the bestest of ideas. Have some good food at hand. Anything else you think be gr8. The come up on said dose is of such a ride tuning into the light behind your eyes be opening to incredible insight. Dig it.
Anxiety? Just talk to yourself, breathe during anxious times. Use your own mind to.xome to unserstanding of why you feel they way you do. Be honest. Act out that funl, pa.zazz. let the butterfly.s fly, flutter. Oil the clock with butter. Your own will lives on.
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: Bayneling]
#22471535 - 11/03/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seeing threads of people curing their anxiety through having terrifying trips - Should I be taking on the fear by the horns?
It's a bit unpredictable how this would turn out - there are also a few "will I ever get back to normal" threads where people have developed ongoing symptoms of anxiety after a rough trip. Personally I wouldn't fancy an extreme high-dose psilocybin trip if I was afraid of the dark because I often get sinister CEV of coiling, glowing shapes against a deep black backdrop, like there is a darkness inside my mind. Outdoors in the daytime might be different though; I normally trip inside at night-time.
I think mushrooms might help reduce anxiety if you get a dose which is strong enough to leave you with that kind of profound sense of wellbeing, but isn't too strong. For example my last trip involved a lot of introspection about my personal life and some anxiety, but it was a level of anxiety I could deal with, overall it was 'cathartic' and I felt better afterwards.
A "truly-terrifying" trip can involve panic attacks, fear of imminent death and wall-to-wall paranoid delusions, I wouldn't recommend it as a form of therapy. It makes more sense to increase your dose level gradually and learn to cope with the extra intensity / anxiety that results (a bit like "exposure" therapy). This way you can gradually learn from experience how to "let go" and enable the trip to shift from fear to bliss, which might have some positive spillover into everyday-life situations.
In my experience a terrifying trip just leads to further anxiety on the next one, although over time it does lead to more of a "whatever, fuck it" attitude where you learn to ride out the waves of panic and wait for death "like waiting for a bus". If you do want to try high doses it's the spiritual bliss that you want to be aiming for, the terrors and anxiety and whatever else that you might encounter on the way are just aspects of your own mind that stalk you along the road to inner peace....
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I can't do exposure to social anxiety effectively though
I think social anxiety in certain situations gradually goes away as you get older, purely because you experience them on a regular basis in your adult life. 22 seems old when you are 22, but I think when you become an adult it takes a while to adjust to adult life and the different kinds of social interactions with people outside your own age group - its like you "grow up" again in a different way.
When I was younger there were all kinds of basic social interactions that would make me feel anxious, but as they become more routine they provoke less and less anxiety. Other aspects of social anxiety I've just got used to as part of my personality; I feel a bit awkward in some situations but I try not to focus on that feeling otherwise you get into a feedback loop.
I suppose in some ways, if you become familiar with dealing with anxiety and random emotional states during trips, it does help put those feelings into perspective if you get them when you are sober - you can be a bit more analytical about what's going on and develop strategies to work around whatever your brain is doing.
As for other psychedelics, I don't have experience with mescaline but I suspect MDMA has quite a lot of therapeutic potential for anxiety and social anxiety issues (at lower doses than typical recreational use). I wouldn't encourage use of shitty impure street ecstasy, and I don't think heavy use is good for your health, but proper MDMA removes social anxiety for a few hours (allowing you to interact with people and experience what it would be like to have no social anxiety whatsoever and it leads to increased feelings of empathy, allows you to open up about suppressed feelings e.t.c.
It's not a magic bullet, but just from trying it a couple of times when I was younger it did illustrate that social anxiety was "all in my head" and gave a kind of positive anxiety-free image of myself that I could try and aim for when I was sober. It's one of those "why can't life be like this all the time!" kind of moments where you realize that you are caged in by the limitations of your own personality and the way it has developed over time.
OK I must be rambling now, I've forgotten the original question
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: Aldebaran]
#22471631 - 11/03/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aldebaran said: [ MDMA is ] not a magic bullet, but just from trying it a couple of times when I was younger it did illustrate that social anxiety was "all in my head" and gave a kind of positive anxiety-free image of myself that I could try and aim for when I was sober. It's one of those "why can't life be like this all the time!" kind of moments where you realize that you are caged in by the limitations of your own personality and the way it has developed over time.

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Anyways welcome to the forums and stay as upbeat and positive as you can in your daily life, you seem like a nice person so hang in there, the world desperately needs more nice people, regardless of that persons own personal anxiety or mindfuck issues they are needed! 
(all of it) ...and... 
Also, with reservation, read this thread on anxiety and micro dosing 3-meo-pcp.
Love, Hanz.
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Bayneling
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psilocybinjunkie said: It can help by bringing your own issues to the surface and making you deal with them and accepting who you are. Age and more experience with tripping in general will both help you with anxiety. When I was young in my teens and early 20's I had terrible social anxiety and drank etc to deal with it. Now I actually don't really care what people think about me and a lot of that is due to age and tripping. You of coarse don't want people you like or care about thinking poorly of you, but if they do and you aren't being an awful person not much can be done and you should absolutely not be dwelling on it. Tripping is a great way to get out of your head and into your head and along with just getting older and gaining more life experience should help. Just try to be positive and quit worrying about how others perceive you. In the adult world if you aren't stinking rich general perceptions from strangers wont be instantly high unless you are amazing looking or outstandingly kind.
Anxiety very much does suck, but much of it is due to you over thinking things too much and it is a self created situation in many ways. Tripping and just staying as positive as possible should help, also weightlifting and fitness along with a good diet and active lifestyle will help tremendously from my own personal experiences. I am fairly social and out going now and I use to be an absolute introvert and have intense dislike for any and all social situations. I would be overly nervous with girls I liked etc. Now I generally tend not to care what others think as often times most others aren't really quality individuals that are filled with selflessness and constantly doing good for others. Tripping, exercise, maturing, and just changed perceptions of others and myself really helped my anxiety. I am still really afraid of heights and certain other things I have a few phobias, but it isn't large crowds or public places and things of that nature anymore. Helping others and random selfless acts of kindness to the homeless or just anyone goes a long way to helping your mind and spirit as well as building good character. Be sure to give that a try, it's quite rewarding, just never go seeking praise for any of the good deeds you've done for others as that totally invalidates them and turns them into a "look at how great I am" type of thing. Most of the people you help will be very grateful, some people are extremely ungrateful no matter what though and that's just unfortunate!
Please feel free to post about your experiences in this forum and you'll likely find many others here like yourself that have dealt with the same situations and overcome them, or are still currently battling with their anxiety issues. Anyways welcome to the forums and stay as upbeat and positive as you can in your daily life, you seem like a nice person so hang in there, the world desperately needs more nice people, regardless of that persons own personal anxiety or mindfuck issues they are needed! 
Thank you and everyone else, your kindness is greatly appreciated 
Good advice, we have a similar train of thought. One idea though, would it help to think about past situations? To elicit the feelings I had at that time and reassessing the pattern of thought that caused it? This is to stop the pattern. Or is that actually how it indeed works?
I have done volunteer work before during holidays. It most definitely is very rewarding. Basically I helped elderly people in wheelchairs, I mostly just talked to them, entertained them. I tried to forget about myself as much as possible in order to let the new human experience in. The experience is everything after all. I want to get back to it later this year.
Edited by Bayneling (11/04/15 05:40 AM)
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: Bayneling]
#22474587 - 11/04/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks Aldebaran and Hanz I will eventually try microdosing MDMA for these purposes. That and mescaline of course. Reading about 3-meo. Very interesting. The only question is, where do I get it?
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: WhoManBeing]
#22474596 - 11/04/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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WhoManBeing said: So much little detail about kust what this anxiety of yours is be needed to give any solid advice.
Ok cool. I would like to ask you: All I have said thus far, anything irrelevant? Most importantly, if yes, why? All to get a better understanding of psychedelics.
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Re: Dealing with anxiety, possibly curing it. [Re: Bayneling]
#22474671 - 11/04/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bayneling said: Thanks Aldebaran and Hanz I will eventually try microdosing MDMA for these purposes. That and mescaline of course. Reading about 3-meo. Very interesting. The only question is, where do I get it?
I'm not sure microdosing is good for mdma. With mdma IME the trick is to use it infrequently in good doses, not more often in smaller doses. To just be in that good mdma high once or twice a year can change your outlook significantly. But taking a too small dose can leave you in that in-between space that is neither comfortable nor rewarding. Not what I would do. But hey, everybody is different.
3-meo-pcp is, as far as I can see, still sold by some rc vendors. Simply use google, and check if they ship to your location. Probably won't be 100% legal. I've never bought or used it, but it certainly is on my to-do list, since I've come to really love mxe.
To get back to anxiety, I agree with others that it will grow less over time. When I was in my 20s i smoked a lot of weed and hash to help me with ocd/anxiety issues. It really did help to a degree, but also has serious side effects if smoked daily in large quantities. Not some thing I would blindly recommend to everybody. It was fun though Now, much later, I don't seem to need it as much anymore...
Good luck!
Love, Hanz.
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