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trippynation
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Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help!
#22469370 - 11/03/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is my first post to the shroomery, my name is Mason, I grew up in a big city. I have a full time job and now currently have an awesome hobby! After spending so much time reading posts on this site I thought, maybe I should make one, so here goes nothin. a month or so ago I received spores from a friend and have been struggling to produce results. I was determined and after a couple losses I now have 2 fully colonized cakes in my sgfc. They, seemingly overnight, began pinning, and almost just as quickly started maturing.



Now here is my issue. some of the fruits look as though they are aborting. (would they still be pins? idk they are half the size of a penny[standing on end] so idk if they are considered pins or fruit bodies) anyways I am pretty sure they are aborting I have given you no evidence I am an expert mycologist. They feel slightly softer than the larger ones and have darker caps. pretty sure they are slower to take to growing also. Here's where it gets interesting. (I know you have just been waiting in suspense) the insides look somewhat brown, green, rotten possibly, water logged possibly. I took a wet q tip to it because I was paranoid and it rubbed off some brownish greenish residue. cakes smell fine but I am a little hesitant. I admit I got impatient because I did not let cakes consolidate in the jars so when it wasn't pinning I misted the crap out of it. rookie mistake obviously considering the cakes drying would have triggered pinning(as far as I read anyways. in your experience do you think its contaminated? throw it away of course if yes. how else can I tell if not by that? just trying to cover my bases. lastly, if I think its an abort should I pick and dry? as to not waste them? or should I just sit back and observe so I know for next time so I dont accidentally pick one mistaking it for an abort when it could have gotten alot bigger. much thanks in advance!
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Shroomspective
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: trippynation]
#22471475 - 11/03/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your pics aren;t that clear, but in the bottom pic things look okay. You can get aborts just because, but if you mist them heavily they start to rot, which sounds like what you have here.
How much perlite have you got in the tub? You should ideally have between 4-5". I'd back off the misting slightly, let them dry slightly before misting so they glisten, you don't want them with standing water.
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Handslikehouses
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: Shroomspective]
#22471970 - 11/03/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do yourself a favor and don't post pictures with your face in them, and definitely don't tell people your name. Just sayin man, this is on the Internet for anyone to see. As for the cakes, the pictures are real low quality so it's hard to tell. I wanna say they look fine, but you should post some new pics that are clear, so we can see. Odds are though you're probably just paranoid because it's your first grow. When cakes or subs or anything is fully colonized, they're very resistant to contams. Not saying it can't get one, but it's a lot harder for it to happen. Post a few better pics dude.
-------------------- Considering spores can survive the vacuum of space, I would assume it's safe to say that mushrooms are on every planet waiting for the right conditions to present themselves. What it all boils down to, is aliens are on shrooms.

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TheEaglesGift
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: Handslikehouses]
#22474339 - 11/04/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I misted the crap out of it. rookie mistake obviously considering the cakes drying would have triggered pinning
Misting cakes at all stages is suggested, and far from a mistake. You want to mist THEN fan so you cause evaporation, which is a major pinning trigger. If you don't mist, there very well may be no moisture to even evaporate, and you will get no pins due to a dry cake.
In short, mist and fan your cakes multiple times daily at all stages.
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trippynation
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: Handslikehouses]
#22479291 - 11/05/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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dually noted...by this is my first grow I mean this is swims grow? :P check these out


I looked up cambodians and seen some similarity. I thought I might have verticillium...but then realized they usually have fat bases.
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: trippynation]
#22479715 - 11/05/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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As Shroomspective said you can get aborts for god knows what reasons. Everyone gets them. As long as some shrooms do actually make it, its not considered that much of a problem.
If I were you I would do PF cakes one or two more times and then switch to grains and bulk. PF cakes are good to learn about mycology but for most people the yeild is somewhat lacking. Also agar is very rewarding and fun to do so I suggest you start with that right away so you might have an isolate or an LC by the time you go to grains.
If you do decide to make PF cakes again try making more of them so that your FC is packed with cakes a few inches apart. This will help keep a good micro-climate which in turn might help reduce aborts.
Welcome to shroomery man and gl on your grows.
PS. Forget that swim crap here it won't make any differece anyway. Hell if anything it makes you look even moee guilty lol. Plus people usually make fun of people talking bout swim ( guilty as charged )
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trippynation
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22489139 - 11/07/15 03:01 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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ahh! thanks! haha I would have packed more of them in there but I lost 4 jars, only these two guys made it. I am switching to grain/bulk this was just my first run, figure I would just run down the verm and brf, considering I have it on hand. possibly doing some pitri dish work. just harvested last night, got 75 wet grams! I ate 25, pretty wicked!! not the biggest specimens but hoping for better 2nd flush. whats the best way to clean a cake after pulling the fruit off? and is it worth doing a third flush? after these are done I have 3 thai koh samui jars that I plan spawing to bulk and casing with jiffymix B)
Edited by trippynation (11/07/15 03:03 AM)
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: trippynation]
#22489373 - 11/07/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes agar is very fun to do and its especially good to practice good technique. As for cleaning cake just rinse it off before and after your dunk and roll again if verm is all knocked off. And yes just as long as theres no contams on your cakes you can get as many flushes as it gives. If it does contam mid flush try isolating it so it can finish the flush while not contaminating your other cake. Unless the mushrooms themselves look rotten/have mold on them they are fine to eat. If your other jars are cakes I would fruit them as is if it were me and do grains for bulk. If big fruits is what you want then get PE variety of cubes. People say they are more potent also. I still have to compare mine to the MDK's im trying to grow.
Congratulations on your grow mate dont forget to dry your shrooms to lock I their potency. And I mean cracker dry. I did the mistake of leaving them rubbery and I fucked them up. Check up on them after a few days also because when cracker dry they suck up moisture very easily this is how I fucked mine up. Where I live we have over 70-80% rh all the time even more during the night. Im still having trouble with keeping them dry but I think I finally know what the problem is.
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22571793 - 11/25/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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 Contaminated or am i on the right track?
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: plutonikunikorn]
#22572085 - 11/25/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hard to say with pink light.
You mean that uncolonised part? If yes it depends. It could be bacteria or you could have taken it out a bit early. Did it stall?
Edit: oh yeah I think I see metabolites at the rim of the cake. If it looks like yellow goo its probably bacteria. Should be fine though.
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: Supalemonhaze]
#22572549 - 11/25/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep the yellowish gooey lookin shit was what i was talkin about lol
Guess i gotta stop letting it sit in a tiny pool of water when i mist...its mostly evaporated by the time i mist again but i guess its not evaporating all the way..what is now the top was the bottom
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Supalemonhaze
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: plutonikunikorn]
#22572665 - 11/25/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah metabolites is not because of excess water. As far as I know a constantly wet sub rots rather than release metabolites. Metabolites are released to "digest" the sub. But when they are found in quantities such as yours it's usually a sign it has competition inside the substrate itself. Releasing metabolites is mycelium's way of fighting contams.
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Re: Possible contaminated BRF cake? first time grower help! [Re: plutonikunikorn]
#22577755 - 11/26/15 11:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
plutonikunikorn said:
 Contaminated or am i on the right track?
Looks a bit iffy, the mycelium is probably still trying to colonize the interior. Why is the cake soo large? lol
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