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Where Science Meets Religion```
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Science cannot meet "religion". There's a barrier. Science is unable to cross and neither is "religion".
And the reason -- because neither one wants to really know the truth about "God".
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
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Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
God has given us a world to use, explore, and understand. At the deepest level there is no difference between religion and science. Natural sciences like physics might be better called "experimental theology" because it deals with application of God's laws in the physical universe.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee]
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My understanding and belief is that God "obeys" the laws of "nature" -- that is why God is real. Nature's laws are the laws of reality.
The real God "obeys" them because the real God is real.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
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Our maker and Father in heaven is the Great Architect of the Universe. He made all physical laws which govern us, His creation. I see no difference between science and religion. Science and mathematics is our ability to define Our Father's creation in ways we can relate with it either physically or intellectually.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Science is the religion of the future, with the top minds taking the places of high priests and bishops and such. It is going to form its own little sects and groups of different ideals and beliefs all backed by some sort of data that we may or may not understand. So you are right science cannot meet religion but it is going to take its place, until we have another shift in intellectual intelligence.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
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Ellis Dee said: Natural sciences like physics might be better called "experimental theology" because it deals with application of God's laws in the physical universe.
I love it! Cutting edge theology!
Astronomy would be like the grand prix of Creation
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee]
#22469283 - 11/03/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: Our maker and Father in heaven is the Great Architect of the Universe. He made all physical laws which govern us, His creation. I see no difference between science and religion. Science and mathematics is our ability to define Our Father's creation in ways we can relate with it either physically or intellectually.
God is not the architect of the universe. The universe is eternal. There is no creator of the universe. God didn't make physical laws. However, God made it possible to be aware of the physical laws.
Would anything exist if there was nothing to be aware of it?
God is the Essence of Consciousness.
God exists within physical laws but They didn't create those laws. Those laws have existed eternally.
There is no creator of things that are eternal because they have no beginning.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous] 1
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Nobody knows what God is, but that's aight, we all feel it.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
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The law of the conservation of mass and energy: mass and energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Mass and energy are eternal.
The universe is eternal. It has no beginning.
My 1st Law of Religion/Science: God did not create the universe because the universe is eternal.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
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endogenous said: My 1st Law of Religion/Science: God did not create the universe because the universe is eternal.
Look around yourself. You will see things everywhere. This is not eternal. It has a beginning. Our Father in heaven made all that is. What you describe as the attribute of the universe is the manifestation of God Himself. It is He, the LORD, and His handiwork which you adore, even without knowing it! Praise be to our great maker who reveals Himself through His works!!
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Nobody knows what God is, but that's aight, we all feel it.
+1
I totally agree. The idea that God in His infinate self and power can be comprehended by mortals is an idea which I think tends to place a limit on the diety. GOD is much greater and fuller than any idea which can fit in our head!
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee] 2
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endogenous said: My 1st Law of Religion/Science: God did not create the universe because the universe is eternal.
Look around yourself. You will see things everywhere. This is not eternal. It has a beginning. Our Father in heaven made all that is. What you describe as the attribute of the universe is the manifestation of God Himself. It is He, the LORD, and His handiwork which you adore, even without knowing it! Praise be to our great maker who reveals Himself through His works!!
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
You are an example of why the "religion" side of the barrier is unable to meet the science side.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
#22469371 - 11/03/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Scientist will say science has a reason for everything. Religious people say god made a reason for everything. Science can try to come up with scientific explanations about everything. Religious people can just call it the magical power of God. The ongoing battle will never end.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
#22469381 - 11/03/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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endogenous said: You are an example of why the "religion" side of the barrier is unable to meet the science side.
I do not see there being sides at opposition with each other. Instead there is one God and one reality which we all share together. The scientist (or theoretical theologian) helps us to better understand Our Father in heaven. There is no reason we should have any animosity toward one another. Lets all get along and love one another because God loves us all!
Many of our greatest scientists held these same views!
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I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. -Albert Einstein 
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Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind. -Albert Einstein 
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My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind. -Albert Einstein
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee]
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endogenous said: My 1st Law of Religion/Science: God did not create the universe because the universe is eternal.
Look around yourself. You will see things everywhere. This is not eternal. It has a beginning.
A tree has a beginning. The earth has a beginning.
Mass/energy that makes up trees and earth doesn't have a beginning. It is eternal. It cannot be created or destroyed.
Mass/energy is not God although God is made up of mass/energy just like the tree and earth.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
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God is that form of mass/energy that makes it possible to perceive other forms mass/energy.
"What cannot be thought by the mind, but that whereby the mind can think. Know that alone to be Brahmin, the Spirit, and not what the people of the world adore." -- Kena Upanishad
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
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Mass/energy is not God although God is made up of mass/energy just like the tree and earth.
That is a very Neo-Platonic and Hermetic approach to religion. The idea in the Hermetica is that GOD willed Himself into existence as everything there is, as the universe itself. Our Father is LIFE within all that you see!
I use this quote as a foundation for defining the Neo-Platonic philosophy when I give lectures...
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... For GOD contains all things, and there is nothing that is not in GOD, and there is nothing which GOD is not. Nay, I would rather say not that GOD contains all things; but that, to speak the full truth, GOD is all things. - Hermetica LIBELLVSIX
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee] 3
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endogenous said: My 1st Law of Religion/Science: God did not create the universe because the universe is eternal.
Look around yourself. You will see things everywhere. This is not eternal. It has a beginning. Our Father in heaven made all that is. What you describe as the attribute of the universe is the manifestation of God Himself. It is He, the LORD, and His handiwork which you adore, even without knowing it! Praise be to our great maker who reveals Himself through His works!!
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
"Reveals himself through his works. "
Plagues. Mass extinctions. Pain. Suffering. Donald Trump.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Ellis Dee said:Quote:
I use this quote as a foundation for defining the Neo-Platonic philosophy when I give lectures...
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... For GOD contains all things, and there is nothing that is not in GOD, and there is nothing which GOD is not. Nay, I would rather say not that GOD contains all things; but that, to speak the full truth, GOD is all things. - Hermetica LIBELLVSIX
God is not all things.
Would you tell someone, "go pray to that rock"? Or "go pray to that dog poop"?
God is the physical form of the Essence of Consciousness.
That is where all real answers to prayers comes from.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: koods]
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koods said:
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My 1st Law of Religion/Science: God did not create the universe because the universe is eternal.
Look around yourself. You will see things everywhere. This is not eternal. It has a beginning. Our Father in heaven made all that is. What you describe as the attribute of the universe is the manifestation of God Himself. It is He, the LORD, and His handiwork which you adore, even without knowing it! Praise be to our great maker who reveals Himself through His works!!
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
"Reveals himself through his works. "
Plagues. Mass extinctions. Pain. Suffering. Donald Trump.
Those are the works of Satan. Although I have to somewhat like Donald Trump. He's admitting that what the Occupy Wall Streeters were saying is true.
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endogenous said: My 1st Law of Religion/Science: God did not create the universe because the universe is eternal.
Look around yourself. You will see things everywhere. This is not eternal. It has a beginning. Our Father in heaven made all that is. What you describe as the attribute of the universe is the manifestation of God Himself. It is He, the LORD, and His handiwork which you adore, even without knowing it! Praise be to our great maker who reveals Himself through His works!!
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
"Reveals himself through his works. "
Plagues. Mass extinctions. Pain. Suffering. Donald Trump.
You're unbelievably butthurt.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Webster10]
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Trmphrt.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Turtletotem]
#22469632 - 11/03/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Imagine having 100 percent intelligence. That is god, Einstein was at about 13% The universe itself and existence is solid proof of deities. But the ultimate questions remains, who is god's god, who created god? Who created existence? Only the creator knows, for all we know we could all just be programs and coded beings. <Input emotion="angry"><color:#000000><deletion=March25;2045></code>
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous] 1
#22470048 - 11/03/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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endogenous said: Science cannot meet "religion". There's a barrier. Science is unable to cross and neither is "religion".
And the reason -- because neither one wants to really know the truth about "God".
you like being wrong? you seem to be a liberal because of how wrong you are
are you aware that a catholic priest is the one that came up with the big bang theory as we know it
so yeah... you're wrong
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Chakanooga] 2
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Chakanooga said: Imagine having 100 percent intelligence. That is god, Einstein was at about 13%
hahaha.. what a pile of contrived horse shit
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
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endogenous said: Science cannot meet "religion". There's a barrier. Science is unable to cross and neither is "religion".
And the reason -- because neither one wants to really know the truth about "God".
Romans 1:21-22
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
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I never understood how quoting scripture validates anything Why does having died centuries ago make someone less of a dumbass? As far as I can see, the likelihood of a long-dead person being full of shit is actually pretty decent
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: endogenous]
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The only thing worse than god are his believers.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said: The only thing worse than god are his believers.
So you acknowledge God and you hate Him and His people? Why do you have this resentment towards God eating you up inside?
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It doesn't eat me up. Rejecting god and jesus has liberated me. I reject them as both fictional and as despicable.
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DieCommie said: The only thing worse than god are his believers.
That's incredibly egotistical and arrogant. I keep to my religion and yet you evangelize atheism and belittle those with faith because of your experience. News flash you cannot generalize all people who believe in god as annoying or stupid.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said: I never understood how quoting scripture validates anything Why does having died centuries ago make someone less of a dumbass? As far as I can see, the likelihood of a long-dead person being full of shit is actually pretty decent
The Holy Bible is the Word of GOD.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Ellis Dee]
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The Holy Bible is the Word of GOD.
God said, "Thou shalt not kill".
"God" also said, 6“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embraceb or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, 8you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. 9But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. 10You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 11And all Israel shall hear and fear and never again do any such wickedness as this among you." -- Deuteronomy, 13, 6
The Bible is not the Word of God. It is the Word of God veiled by the editors and translators of Satan.
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The more we learn, the less we know. The cosmos seems to be stranger and more complex than our ancestors could have even imagined. Science and religion are both absolutely necesary for us to even begin making sense of it all.
Religion goes wrong when it imposes on science, when you say: "That goes against my believes, therefore it must be false!" You only delude yourself.
Science goes wrong when it becomes too full of itself. Scientists are not laying down Holy Law, they are experimenting, theorizing and calculating, but all their results come from the universe, they do not dictate it. And their knowledge is very incomplete.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Turtletotem]
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Bullshit they don't dictate it. There's a huge contingency of the scientific community that basically create the outcome they want because of funding and embarrassment if it doesn't go as planned. Science though, is mostly willing to adapt to new information and change up the whole way we look at the entire world if that's where the data points whereas religion is very stubborn, if it ever even changes at all.
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Re: Where Science Meets Religion``` [Re: Prisoner#1]
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endogenous said: Science cannot meet "religion". There's a barrier. Science is unable to cross and neither is "religion".
And the reason -- because neither one wants to really know the truth about "God".
you like being wrong? you seem to be a liberal because of how wrong you are
are you aware that a catholic priest is the one that came up with the big bang theory as we know it
so yeah... you're wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
Maybe you should reread your article:
"By 1951, Pope Pius XII declared that Lemaître's theory provided a scientific validation for Catholicism. However, Lemaître resented the Pope's proclamation, stating that the theory was neutral and there was neither a connection nor a contradiction between his religion and his theory.[19][20] When Lemaître and Daniel O'Connell, the Pope's science advisor, tried to persuade the Pope not to mention Creationism publicly anymore, the Pope agreed. He persuaded the Pope to stop making proclamations about cosmology.[21] While a devout Roman Catholic, he was against mixing science with religion,[22] though he also was of the opinion that these two fields of human experience were not in conflict."
Yeah -- no conflict -- just shut up that Pope when he tries to talk about science. But there's no conflict -- none whatsoever.
Umm hmmm.
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