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The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality * 12
    #22468813 - 11/02/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality *DELETED* [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #22468846 - 11/02/15 10:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: poke smot!] * 1
    #22468879 - 11/02/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Super cool bro.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #22469605 - 11/03/15 05:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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That said, I also think that the 'features' here are a part of the problem.  Ignores. Rates. Upvotes for posts. A 'best of', most of which is should be an embarrassment to the admins. 2,657,892 graemlins. The aforementioned lack of moderation. Features that attract a more immature audience.

All part of the Facebookization of the site. It's becoming a 'kiddie' site.





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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #22469654 - 11/03/15 06:13 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I might be interested in discussing this with you, but I'm kinda uncertain as to what you mean.  Could you elucidate a bit?


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Burke Dennings] * 2
    #22470138 - 11/03/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It's created a situation exactly like reddit where people are influenced to say things that are agreeable with people who are up voting. In threads where someone flames someone well enough to illicit a few up votes it inspires people to follow suite to attempt to grab some of their own.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #22470731 - 11/03/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Like in morrow's thread with SARAtonin..... and you, morrow, and akira jumping on my shit because she posted a pic in PoP and I thought she was fuckable and it seems to be more popular to hate her for reasons I didn't know and wasn't around for? You mean like that? I agree with you.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #22471182 - 11/03/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I understand what you're saying now, and yeah, that may happen sometimes.  But I think if you're going to say the +1's inspire people to harass each other, i think it's only fair to say that it keeps some people from doing it as well.  Like, if I open an idiotic thread, and scroll through it a bit & see that someone already said something similar to what I was going to say, I just +1 it and don't bother posting.  To say that more than one person comments on idiocy (or lunacy or whatever) simply for the +1s is dismissive and narrow-minded.  However, I'm sure that it has happened like you say at times.

What do you think should be done about it, if anything?


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #22471655 - 11/03/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The only way it could be like reddit is if there was a downvote too, and we would have to have like 20 million more users. But there isn't. And the admins don't want a downvote, so yeah.
I asked for a -1 several times but it doesn't seem like that's something they want.
Shroomery has turned into a huge massive forum yes but it's not reddit. Maybe a couple subreddits.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the +1, it's nifty. You can see your most +1 posts. But we need a -1 for balance.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #22471692 - 11/03/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't use reddit, so I'm unclear about this, but isn't there some kind of motivator that drives people to try to get upvotes there?  I've heard of reddit gold or some kind of tangible reward system.  Maybe I'm mistaken.  Here, there's no real reason to try to get +1s, unless they make you feel good about your post or whatever. 

I'd be interested to see a trial run of -1s too.  Could be cool.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Burke Dennings] * 3
    #22471719 - 11/03/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

every upvote you get on reddit adds to your total "karma", which is completely 100% worthless. This however, does not stop people one bit from being karma whores.
But basically how it works is that the most upvoted thread / comment is always at the top.. comments by default are sorted by most upvoted comment to least upvoted/most downvoted at the bottom.
Or if a comment gets enough downvotes and goes negative, it can be automatically hidden and you have to click to show it.

Gold is just kind of like a supporter account here, you get access to special features and subreddits. People can gift you with gold if you make a post they really like or something.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #22471732 - 11/03/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, okay.  So it's just about intrinsic motivation.  Maybe -1s will shame people into making better posts then.  But probably not.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Burke Dennings] * 1
    #22471748 - 11/03/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Probably not. But it would make things more interesting.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Shroomism] * 5
    #22471986 - 11/03/15 04:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I thought you were supposed to plus 1 a post signifying that you had read it...:awenuhuh:

This is not the case?


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Burke Dennings] * 1
    #22472067 - 11/03/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh, okay.  So it's just about intrinsic motivation.  Maybe -1s will shame people into making better posts then.  But probably not.




Intrinsic motivation. This is more what I'm talking about. It creates a memetic phenomenon where people start to say things they feel will illicit up votes.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 4
    #22473183 - 11/03/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

@shroomism

Downvotes are unshroomy as fuck, brah.


@OP

I kind of understand what you're saying, there definitely are some upvote whores here, I don't think it's that big of a deal, and I don't think it has much to do with the increase of flaming/rudeness in the pub, that's the new generation of kids posting here and mods being too big of pussies to start banning people for it :shrug:

I'm kind of an upvote whore, I use humor, not malice though.

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I thought you were supposed to plus 1 a post signifying that you had read it...:awenuhuh:

This is not the case?



Hahahah.

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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: PLURAL]
    #22509321 - 11/11/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I find myself usually agreeing with Shroomism, but in the case of downvotes here, I wouldn't like that feature.

I think it'd create a whole slew of drama. Fuck, y'all know how the people here are. Given, if that were implemented, the drama would likely be fucking hilarious, though. :lol:

I've been on reddit more and more these days (even signed up for their secret santa this year :awesanta: Someone is getting a nice cutting board)..
I like it, but sometimes it's so fucking petty and circle jerky. (oftentimes, I believe because of their voting system)


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: shLong]
    #22511263 - 11/11/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i diddnt even notice that we had an upvote option until today, its so tiny that i went without noticing for the last 6 months... i think it could be very useful in the mushroom hunting forum


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: fantastiColor]
    #22512302 - 11/12/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I wish more people would use it in MH&I to be honest.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: shLong]
    #22512585 - 11/12/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I hate how Reddit buries posts that get downvotes too. A fair amount of times they are perfectly reasonable posts, just an unpopular opinion. Reddit is such a shitty interface and overall design, but it does have lots of content on tons of different subjects. The site itself sucks ass though.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: John Nada]
    #22512713 - 11/12/15 06:32 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Does it order replies in terms of votes? On the rare occasions I've been there, the posts seem to have no relevance to the ones above or below them.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: EllisDSox]
    #22512726 - 11/12/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, it orders posts based on popularity, so it's highly prone to bias and hivemind.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: John Nada]
    #22512734 - 11/12/15 06:42 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's a fucking ridiculous system. You'd think they'd at least add an option to view the posts chronologically.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: EllisDSox]
    #22513186 - 11/12/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

At first I was intimidated by reddit's UI, once I got better acquainted with it though it's actually very user-friendly and customizable.

You can change the way posts are sorted, you can order it chronologically.

You can also make it so highly downvoted posts aren't hidden.

4chan is confusing to me still though, it's whole layout is just foreign to me, even though I use it on occasion.

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I wish more people would use it in MH&I to be honest.



I wish we could filter the beat posts page by forum.

And I wish people would use it more for helpful/informative posts.

It would also be cool/useful if there was a way to look up the most upvoted posts of all time.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: PLURAL] * 1
    #22513724 - 11/12/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, fair enough if it's optional. I'm still hella outraged by the existence of one badly ordered display option on a forum I don't use.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #22519426 - 11/13/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

My attitude on +1s is the same as my attitude on ratings.  I don't give a fuck


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #22526177 - 11/15/15 03:40 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'm gonna rate you a +1.


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: EllisDSox]
    #22526928 - 11/15/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I'll tuck that in right next to my heart with the rating you gave me


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Re: The +1 feature has totally created a mob mentality [Re: John Nada] * 1
    #22533281 - 11/16/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, it orders posts based on popularity, so it's highly prone to bias and hivemind.




Yeah. It sometimes works out pretty good, because you'll read a thread and the most helpful/useful reply is right there at the top.
More often than not though, it works in the favor of turning into the vapid hivemind shit you are speaking of.
I hate it when I go to read a thread I'm actually interested in reading the responses to and people's opinions.. and it's just turned into who can throw the best pun.
But the whole upvote/downvote system there is retarded, simply because people abuse it so heavily. Like if you speak the truth, and it's at all unpopular, you are likely to be downvoted into oblivion. You could make an insightful, helpful post to someone and get downvoted to shit and trolled, but someone reposts a picture that's been posted on the internet 4,582,983,234 times and they get 20,000 upvotes and make the front page. And some people live on reddit and have multiple accounts they use to downvote or bump their own posts or whatever, it's dumb.


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