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SleepyE
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Why does DMT cause grandiose perspective? 1
#22468485 - 11/02/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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after a decent hiatus, last night had a pharmahuasca trip but it turned out to be a dud compared to what im looking for in intensity, dose was impure so probably only equaled 50mg dmt oral on 4g rue.
So i smoked some dmt later on to try to have a trip but it just added to the body buzz and mental high without any visions. so i went to lie down and could feel my mind start to see my position in life as some grandiose event.
I was trying to analyze what is happening in my mind that makes me perceive my position in life like that. I could feel it changing my mind to cause this even though im aware of the change. it seems the higher the dose the more carried away you are with your perceived grandiose position.
From what i gather it seems this effect is common with psychonauts, leading them to make the infamous claim "I am God." i just wonder, it happens often enough on psychedelics to enough people and it almost seems like psychedelics are designed to do that, for whatever reason.
it makes sense though, part of complete boundary dissolving is having your perceived limitations on yourself dissolved by thinking your position is divinely set. I think as long as one doesnt get carried away with that kind of revelation it could be positive in the sense that the person isnt so quick to set limitations on oneself, but of course the disregarding on limitations has to be realistic.
Anywho, im gonna try to breakthrough on smoked DMT tonight, and see if i can bite some landscapes and patterns to plagiarize in my next digital painting 
Have a great night guys!
will report back on the smoked DMT, just gotta hit the gym first.
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Re: Why does DMT cause grandiose perspective? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#22469701 - 11/03/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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From what i gather it seems this effect is common with psychonauts, leading them to make the infamous claim "I am God."
This happens to me when I take a lot of mushrooms (I don't have experience with DMT but I expect this is common to various psychedelics, for instance I remember Joe Molloy's comments on his Godlike pharmahuasca trips).
I think there's two things that come together. Firstly, I find that mushroom trips result in mania which increases in intensity depending on the dose. At low doses you get elevated mood and euphoria, some racing thoughts or 'flight of ideas', then at high doses you can become delusional, those kind of grandiose delusions.
Sometimes these grandiose thoughts are grounded purely in the normal world, for example I start thinking about work or some crazy plan for a business, but at higher doses they end up firmly in "I am God" territory (somewhere in-between there is a zone where the trip feels spiritual but in a less delusional framework).
At higher doses I think the grandiose ideas start to mix with the aspect of the trip which is more spiritual - the boundary dissolving, mystical stuff. I've been reading a very interesting book by Jill Bolte Taylor called "My Stroke of Insight" which describes some of the effects she had when a stroke put parts of her left hemisphere out of action for a while - she is a neuroscientist and did a TED talk about her experience (edit - thanks to Aik for digging up the right link - click for the video).
Anyway, she experienced deep feelings of inner peace and various other things which sound very familiar to the average psychonaut. In the book she mentions some research into this:
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Using SPECT technology (single photon emission computed tomography) these scientists identified the neuroanatomy underlying our ability to have a religious or spiritual (mystical) experience. They wanted to understand which regions of the brain were involved in our capacity to undergo a shift in consciousness - away from being an individual to feeling that we are at one with the universe (God, nirvana, euphoria).
Tibetan meditators and Franciscan nuns were invited to meditate or pray inside the SPECT machine. They were instructed to tug on a cotton twine when they reached either their meditative climax or felt united with God. These experiments identified shifts in neurological activity in very specific regions in the brain. First, there was a decrease in activity in the left hemisphere language centers resulting in a silencing of their brain chatter. Second, there was a decrease in activity in the orientation association area, located in the posterior parietal gyrus of the left hemisphere. This region of our left brain helps us identify our personal physical boundaries. When this area is inhibited or displays decreased input from our sensory systems, we lose sight of where we begin and where we end relative to the space around us.
Thanks to this recent research, it makes good neurological sense that when my left language centers were silenced and my left orientation association area was interrupted from its normal sensory input, my consciousness shifted away from feeling like a solid, to a perception of myself as a fluid - at one with the universe.
This is interesting to compare to a youtube video talk presenting results of psilocybin studies at Imperial College, London:
The video explains in more detail but this was the summary which has some similarities with the research mentioned above.
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Decreased blood flow in the brain's main transit hubs (default mode network) Decreased integrity of key brain networks Collapsed rhythmic structure of cortical activity hyper-excitable prediction units causes impetuous inference normally distinct brain networks become 'one' Network stability becomes fleeting
This stuff is interesting because although this kind of research is at a very preliminary stage, it does correspond to some of the features of my trips - certain aspects of cognition being disrupted or silenced, other aspects emerging into consciousness to take their place. In fact combined with some of Jill Bolte Taylor's comments it does give at least a sketchy outline of what's happening during "ego death".
The story of Jill Bolte Taylor was interesting because it came from a non-psychonaut, non-hippy, drug-disapproving type of person, and gives a good demonstration that these kind of mystical, blissful spiritual brain states are there in the background waiting to be brought to the forefront of consciousness through psychedelics / meditation (preferably not left brain stroke). Personally I started off tripping either sceptical or simply unaware of the more spiritual / mystical aspects, but once I started experimenting with higher doses they made themselves known very strongly.
Edited by Aldebaran (11/04/15 07:40 AM)
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SleepyE
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Re: Why does DMT cause grandiose perspective? [Re: Aldebaran]
#22470997 - 11/03/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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very interesting! thanks for the input, gotta give myself some time to digest that info
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Re: Why does DMT cause grandiose perspective? [Re: SleepyE] 1
#22471221 - 11/03/15 01:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah I get this from DMT as well... Also with LSD and Shrooms. Pretty much any psyche. But they have to be high doses in order to get it. when I broke through on DMT it showed me helping people in other countries. actually feeding them.It was showing me what I needed to do with my Life, I'm starting small and helping people in my area. Anywho yes it does give the God Complex, But I see it as were are ONE with God and your really close to him during the spirtual experience. I think people just confuse it. Were not God but through psychedlics, meditation, prayer, reading spiritual things, you gain the insight to fill a void.
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SleepyE
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Re: Why does DMT cause grandiose perspective? [Re: superbob57]
#22471416 - 11/03/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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gotta wonder whats happening chemically to cause this,
i was analyzing the effect while it was going on and while it is happening it really can get hard not to believe it, at least in the moment.
really interesting, if it happens to many people there is probably some interesting process taking place, does it have a purpose? who knows? all we can do right now is speculate unfortunately.
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Edited by SleepyE (11/03/15 02:45 PM)
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